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Unless you know what the historic church taught, you do not know theology.
@dms1972 > Of course, various ones claim their group or only their group is now the historical church. But you might note how certain ones, not all, can mainly talk about what is authoritative doctrine and practice, but they do not talk about the example which Jesus and His first leaders have established. So, here, I would like to share about how the historical church started with the things given in our New Testament, but also the example of Christ's approved leaders. And so, now we need example as well as beliefs and practices. So, below I plan to offer about this >
Not only do we need what was taught by the Apostles, but we need their example being followed; do we now live the love with which our historical leaders have ministered?
In any case, yes, we need what our historical leaders have given us.
Therefore I gave quotes from the Bible, which has the New Testament, which includes what our Apostles Paul and Peter and John taught as our first historical leaders in Jesus Christ's church.
But > at the exact time as they taught, already there were religious leaders not teaching what they taught. And now there still are ones who do not teach what they taught.
For only one example > our first church teachers include what is part of our basic calling > for every Christian "called in one body" >
"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)
Whom do you know now, personally, who is an example and teacher that our basic calling in Christianity includes that we all "in one body" are personally ruled by our Heavenly Father's own peace in our "hearts"? Or, do you disagree that Paul means this??
To me it is clear that we are all called to this; so I would say this is a basic of our Christian church's calling, and therefore what now our Christian leaders are making a point of having us know. Therefore, who now has made a point of having you know this? . . . since they uphold what Christ's historical church teaches.
To me, this means God wants us to personally submit to Him, all the time in this peace. So, I consider this to be important basic teaching and doctrine which the historical church makes a point of having us know. But it seems to me as though a number of preachers and church people talk about God like He is distant and theoretical, and as though we are supposed to control and guide our own selves; I have actually heard speakers deny that God wants us to have our wills and choice making constantly in submission to our Father in His peace. And people are struggling and fighting and burnt out and immoral and arguing, because they and their relating are not submissive to God in His peace.
To me, it is clear that Colossians 3:15 means God desires for us to personally share with Him in His own peace, all the time. This means we personally experience Him, all the time . . . in His own peace. But it seems some number of Bible claiming people and groups do not talk about God like He is so personal with us. They treat Him like He is distant and theoretical, a matter of beliefs and practices, and only keeping a record on us, from some distance, and expecting us to just change things in people's affairs.
And so, also, their own way with people is distant and impersonal, more about controlling and conforming outward show; and ones can't relate without worrying and fearing and fighting and immorality which keep people from being deeply and truly intimate. You can see people showing for maybe an hour a week and they don't last talking for more than half an hour before they feel they have to go somewhere else . . . not how I would relate with someone who is intimate with me in God's love, I would say.
Jesus spent hours in the garden with His disciples. Paul and Silvanus and Timothy cared personally for the Thessalonians "just as a nursing mother cherishes her own children" and "exhorted, and comforted, and charged every one of you, as a father does his own children." (in 1 Thessalonians 2:7&11)
So, we have this example of the historical church leadership, to follow, not only ideas and explanations and practices . . . but how God's leaders are personal and intimate in His family love's way, like how He is so intimate with us in His peace.
So, your theology study needs to include real-life experience in how God's word means for us to share with and submit to God and how His leaders have us finding out how to relate in His love. A good teacher will demonstrate. God in us has us discovering how He means for us to live His word >
"for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." (Philippians 2:13)
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