Department Of Education To Investigate Princeton For Racial Discrimination

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Department of Education to investigate University following Eisgruber’s letter on racism


"In an open letter outlining the University’s efforts to combat racism early this month, University President Christopher Eisgruber ’83 wrote, “Racism and the damage it does to people of color nevertheless persist at Princeton” and racist assumptions “remain embedded in structures of the University itself.”

The U.S. Department of Education (DOE), which considers those statements to have “admitted racism,” has launched an investigation into whether the University has discriminated on the basis of race since Eisgruber took office in 2013."

Title VI of the 1964 Civil Rights Act prohibits federal funding to any institution that practices racial discrimination, so it appears that Princeton, in Eisgruber's letter, has confessed to violating the law. Princeton has also confessed to lying to the Department of Education when it promised, as a precondition of receiving federal funds, not to practice racial discrimination.

Anyone who truly cares about addressing systemic racism should welcome this move by DeVos.
 

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Department of Education to investigate University following Eisgruber’s letter on racism


"In an open letter outlining the University’s efforts to combat racism early this month, University President Christopher Eisgruber ’83 wrote, “Racism and the damage it does to people of color nevertheless persist at Princeton” and racist assumptions “remain embedded in structures of the University itself.”

The U.S. Department of Education (DOE), which considers those statements to have “admitted racism,” has launched an investigation into whether the University has discriminated on the basis of race since Eisgruber took office in 2013."

Title VI of the 1964 Civil Rights Act prohibits federal funding to any institution that practices racial discrimination, so it appears that Princeton, in Eisgruber's letter, has confessed to violating the law. Princeton has also confessed to lying to the Department of Education when it promised, as a precondition of receiving federal funds, not to practice racial discrimination.

Anyone who truly cares about addressing systemic racism should welcome this move by DeVos.
I should support spending a massive amount of money because DeVos has a reading comprehension problem?
 
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Anyone who truly cares about addressing systemic racism should welcome this move by DeVos.
I don't trust any part of our government funded education system; the Universities or the Boards.
 
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I should support spending a massive amount of money because DeVos has a reading comprehension problem?

The law on this point is clear; if racism exists at Princeton to the extent that it does "damage" to minorities, it implies that Princeton shouldn't be receiving federal funding. If you think the investigation is a waste of money, the way to prevent it would be to take away the legal basis for it by repealing the 1964 Civil Rights Act. This would be more honest than Princeton supporting the law as long as it doesn't apply to them.
 
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I should support spending a massive amount of money because DeVos has a reading comprehension problem?

If your main concern is saving money; perhaps we'll save some if Princeton is found in violation, and defunded.

I'm glad to see that the Trump administration stepping up to investigate this matter; where it seems that past administrations have been loose with the reigns on how funds are properly allocated.
 
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The law on this point is clear; if racism exists at Princeton to the extent that it does "damage" to minorities, it implies that Princeton shouldn't be receiving federal funding. If you think the investigation is a waste of money, the way to prevent it would be to take away the legal basis for it by repealing the 1964 Civil Rights Act. This would be more honest than Princeton supporting the law as long as it doesn't apply to them.

If your main concern is saving money; perhaps we'll save some if Princeton is found in violation, and defunded.

so exactly what part of the Civil Rights Act has Princeton been violating...and doing so unnoticed....for years?
 
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so exactly what part of the Civil Rights Act has Princeton been violating...and doing so unnoticed....for years?

I'm, not privy to the evidence that authorities have on this matter. Hopefully we'll get more details during the investigation.

Why would you second guess the Authorities' decision to move forward with seeking justice? Do you have any evidence of impropriety on their part?
 
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so exactly what part of the Civil Rights Act has Princeton been violating...and doing so unnoticed....for years?

That is what the investigation is meant to determine. Maybe it will turn up nothing - proving Eisgruber a big fat liar.

But surely a confession from no less than the President of the university is sufficient evidence to open an investigation?
 
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This is some tasty irony. No doubt Eisgruber was hoping to come across as properly progressive. But, of course, it's a clear admission of guilt. I'm no fan of the current administration, but this is a genius move on the part of the DOE.
 
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Department of Education to investigate University following Eisgruber’s letter on racism


"In an open letter outlining the University’s efforts to combat racism early this month, University President Christopher Eisgruber ’83 wrote, “Racism and the damage it does to people of color nevertheless persist at Princeton” and racist assumptions “remain embedded in structures of the University itself.”

The U.S. Department of Education (DOE), which considers those statements to have “admitted racism,” has launched an investigation into whether the University has discriminated on the basis of race since Eisgruber took office in 2013."

Title VI of the 1964 Civil Rights Act prohibits federal funding to any institution that practices racial discrimination, so it appears that Princeton, in Eisgruber's letter, has confessed to violating the law. Princeton has also confessed to lying to the Department of Education when it promised, as a precondition of receiving federal funds, not to practice racial discrimination.

Anyone who truly cares about addressing systemic racism should welcome this move by DeVos.
I don't think the letter admits the type of racial discrimination that would cause them to lose federal funding. It's more to a "we need to do more" than we do, type letter. :scratch:

Racism and the damage it does to people of color nevertheless persist at Princeton as in our society, sometimes by conscious intention but more often through unexamined assumptions and stereotypes, ignorance or insensitivity, and the systemic legacy of past decisions and policies. Race-based inequities in America’s health care, policing, education, and employment systems affect profoundly the lives of our staff, students, and faculty of color.


Racist assumptions from the past also remain embedded in structures of the University itself. For example, Princeton inherits from earlier generations at least nine departments and programs organized around European languages and culture, but only a single, relatively small program in African studies.

Letter from President Eisgruber on the University’s efforts to combat systemic racism

Above is the link to the whole letter.
 
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I don't think the letter admits the type of racial discrimination that would cause them to lose federal funding.

You're making a distinction between a type of racial discrimination that precludes federal funding, and one that does not, that the law doesn't make...

"No person in the United States shall, on the ground of race, color, or national origin, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance."

-Title VI, Civil Rights Act of 1964

...no specification of any acceptable and unacceptable types of discrimination here. The federal government cannot fund an institution that practices racial discrimination. Period.

The letter admits that the university does "damage" to minority students, "sometimes by conscious intention", and by "the systemic legacy of past decisions and policies", presumably ones that are discriminatory. That's quite a damning confession. Everything you say can and will be used against you...

 
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Department of Education to investigate University following Eisgruber’s letter on racism


"In an open letter outlining the University’s efforts to combat racism early this month, University President Christopher Eisgruber ’83 wrote, “Racism and the damage it does to people of color nevertheless persist at Princeton” and racist assumptions “remain embedded in structures of the University itself.”

The U.S. Department of Education (DOE), which considers those statements to have “admitted racism,” has launched an investigation into whether the University has discriminated on the basis of race since Eisgruber took office in 2013."

Title VI of the 1964 Civil Rights Act prohibits federal funding to any institution that practices racial discrimination, so it appears that Princeton, in Eisgruber's letter, has confessed to violating the law. Princeton has also confessed to lying to the Department of Education when it promised, as a precondition of receiving federal funds, not to practice racial discrimination.

Anyone who truly cares about addressing systemic racism should welcome this move by DeVos.

Remains to be seen whether it will be useful or not, it may be a genuine exercise or it may be, as one person in the article says, an attempt to intimidate universities into toeing the party line. Time will tell. Trying to shut up or do away with educators is part of any budding dictator's playbook, an attempt to dumb down public discourse to a level the dictator can understand and control. Using the right buzzwords is the best way to slip in control measures in the early stages, when it's not so easy to just outright do whatever you want, and you still have some concerns about public opinion, just say it's about racism or this or that other thing people generally accept is wrong and it will be automatically assumed to be a good thing. Whatever the outcome of this, the gradual stupid-ification of the university system over there will be one of Trump's goals if he gets another term.
 
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I can assure you, Tom, that the stupidification of the universities in our country was accomplished long before Trump went into politics.

Most of the criticism I’ve seen either hugely inflates isolated incidents or just ‘that doesn’t sound right so it must be wrong’ as opposed to ‘I have a good understanding of what the issues are and here is an explanation that matches reality’. Don’t mistake collections of buzz words and exaggerated tangents about un-American whatever for actual arguments about actual real things.
 
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That is what the investigation is meant to determine. Maybe it will turn up nothing - proving Eisgruber a big fat liar.

But surely a confession from no less than the President of the university is sufficient evidence to open an investigation?
what violations of the civil rights act has he confessed to?
 
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This is some tasty irony. No doubt Eisgruber was hoping to come across as properly progressive. But, of course, it's a clear admission of guilt. I'm no fan of the current administration, but this is a genius move on the part of the DOE.
guilt of what?
 
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