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Depart from Me, I never knew you (says Jesus...)

Discussion in 'Charismatic Catholic Renewal' started by truthHurts77, Jan 18, 2012.

  1. george baily

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    The only true rendering of the statement Jesus makes "I never knew you" can only be simply a figure of speech, because of the timing when He makes these statements, they are on the day of judgement, and Jesus who is God in the flesh, knows everyone, and everything, in fact in the book of Luke He makes this same statement and follows it with "you workers of iniquity" while He says He doesn't know them, He appears to know what they have been doing, can't have it both ways, He obviously knew exactly who they are and what they have done
     
  2. muzza21

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    I didn't know that. Please, if you would be so kind, show the verse or verses which the place of Purgatory are mentioned in God's word, the bible?
     
  3. george baily

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    you must pay a priest to pray your loved ones out of purgatory......its really worth it, I mean you wouldn't want your loved ones to never ascend into heaven would you?........I know! I know! you thought salvation was a free gift.......there is no free lunch! now depending on how sinful your loved one was, will determine the amount of prayer ($) it will take, also your tax bracket will determine just how much Prayer ($) Is needed.....but don't you worry none! they will guarantee your loved one will get through, no matter what the cost ($)
     
  4. muzza21

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    No George, you can't tell me something like that. That's not biblical, that's human speculation, opinion, stinks of doctrine of man. Give me verse or verses between Genesis and revelation. Back it up with the word of God.
     
  5. george baily

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    I wish I could but I can't!
     
  6. muzza21

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    At least you're honest, George. I'll tell you something real. Birds have been dropping from the sky, dead. Hundreds of dolphins washed up dead in California, hundreds of pilot whales also, same thing off the coast of new zealand. Scientists confirm unusual sounds heard in the sky above our planet. They know exactly what it is, it's resonating from the earths core. This year and next year will be unprecidented for earthquakes across the planet. We have to wake up people. This is biblical, a tribulation is coming soon like none in history and never will be again. If you look to the doctrines of men, you'll be looking in the wrong direction.
     
  7. george baily

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    It only gets worse as time continues, best to find a place where food is readily grown, by farmers, who are not dependant on Monsanto for seeds
     
  8. muzza21

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    If that's your plan then I hope it works out for you.
     
  9. george baily

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    actually there are still places on this earth were you can barter for food for services, thus you don't need any mark to buy or sell, this mark will probably be more inforced in cities than in the country
     
  10. truthHurts77

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    it doesn't say t hat in the bible.. I know - i have read the whole Bible

    Catholics dont go by just the Bible... and neither should you.

    All of God cannot be crammed into such a small book

    Tradition came b4 the Church and produced the Christian Church
     
  11. truthHurts77

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    i totally agree

    now i know (better) why it is i never liked that phrase Personal relationship w/ Jesus... For one thing, it can mean just about anything, as your post says

    I began to have a personal "thing" (dont like Relationship... long story why...) with Jesus when i got serious about the Chruch he founded on EArth, the Roman Catholic Church. It was there that i began to hear the Word of God (yes, the Bible, in a CATHOLIC Church... go figure :D) at daily Mass... If you go to daily Mass for 3 yrs you will hear most of the Bible... Old and New T

    anyhow... It was when i began to spend time in His Real Presence, found only in HIs Church that i began to understand who he really is. If you dont spend time in that Real Presence of His you will not know certain things about Him. If all you have is the Bible, you will be very limited on what you know about Jesus... and this brings us back to that "Depart from me, i never knew you" thing...

    the thing is... i really can't discuss this further with people who have not spent time There

    and you can't just go there 4 a few minutes either..

    i notice that the longer i stay... hmmm... How to say this??

    it is very mysterious what happens there, espeicaly wehn He is not "exposed" - when the consecrated Hosts are still in the tabernacle. I personally belive the souls in Purg are there in the unexposed, but maybe not in the Exposed... although i have yet to get word on what the Church officially teaches on this particular thing... But i belive they are there, working out their salvation with fear & trembling (Phil 2:12) since they didn't do so sufficiently on Earth.

    Anyway... i think i will post this much and... get back to all the other thoughts flying through my head later... :D

    i came back after getting my main point back, although it is all important..

    I used to believe thigns about God and His son that are not true.

    the primary example is that i thought God didn't care about me anymore... that i had "gone 2 far" in my sinfulness.. God in heaven knows why i thought such a thing (felt it) becaus i have never commited what you would call BIG sins, although all mortal sin is big to God...

    I was half right that i w asn't good enough 4 God.. meaning not holy enough. In fact, that is not a half truth but absolute truth. The thing that was off in my thinking was that God would never take me back

    the rosary disabused me of that notion. It was this distinctly Catholic weapon against the devil that disabused me... imagine that... a w eapon of the Catholic Church helped ME, someone who 100% belived God did NOT want me back... I think ppl who bash the Catholic Church should keep this in mind..

    in any case, i almost gave up on the rosary as well, when i 1st started praying it many yrs ago because this feeling of not being good enough.. this feeling that i couldn't return to God was SOO strong!!! But some small, quiet "voice" told me to keep praying and i listend to that voice, evne though much louder voices (thoughts) were telling me "you might as well 4get it... God doesn't want you, you are not good enough..." and etc, etc..

    again... i probably should leave things at that 4 now... getting kind of emotional remembering all this.. I know it was God who got me to pray the rosary. i know because i did not - NOT - want to pray it... didn't belive it could do ONE thing 4 me.. Instead, it changed my whole life... a total 180
     
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  12. truthHurts77

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    I was half right (yrs ago) when i thought i w asn't good enough 4 God.. meaning not holy enough. In fact, that is not a half truth but absolute truth. The thing that was off in my thinking was that God would never take me back

    the rosary disabused me of that notion. It was this distinctly Catholic weapon against the devil that disabused me... imagine that... a w eapon of the Catholic Church helped ME, someone who 100% belived God did NOT want me back... I think ppl who bash the Catholic Church should keep this in mind..
     
  13. truthHurts77

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    Anyway, i always wondered why Jesus said Depart from me, i never knew you - meaning Who exactly fits into that category (him not knowing him/her)

    I have, however, answered my own Q this way

    when i am in His Presence, i feel that i know Him and He knows me

    when i am not in HIs Presence (outside the Church)... it's somewhat different

    IT seems that when i am with Him in the Real Presence i know my UNCONSCIOUS self...

    and outside of there... i ignore that self... because i hardly know it exists unless i consciously try to get in touch w/ it.
     
  14. muzza21

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    Please find scripture from Genesis to Revelation to back up your suggestion some beads on a string could protect you from Satan?

    I know what my bible says, read if you will Ephesians 6:11-18

    Doesn't say anything about rosary beads that I saw. But, please enlighten me, but only with the word of God please,
     
  15. truthHurts77

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    oh please... that If its not found in the Bible i can't belive it nonsense

    your name isn't in the Bible either

    JEsus' birth date is not in the Bible... I could go on and on

    you see beads when you look @ a rosary

    I see meditation on the life of Christ

    I see By His Stripes I am Healed (so i meditate on his stripes via the rosarythe Holy Mass)
     
  16. truthHurts77

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    no rsponse

    totally figures...

    becaus there is no argument for truth
     
  17. Simon_Templar

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    First of all, if I may ask you to prove your position as you ask others to prove theirs..

    Show me, in the word of God, where it says only the word of God may be used to teach, or as the only standard of doctrine?


    If you can't live up to your own standard, I suggest your view point may have issues.

    Now secondly, as truthhurst pointed out, the "rosary" is not just the beads. The beads are just an aid to organizing the prayers and meditations. The prayers and meditations are "the rosary". More specifically the rosary is a set of specific meditations on the mysteries of Jesus' life. The key events of Jesus life (and some after his resurrection) are organized into 3 groups of 5 and the person meditates on them while praying.

    While the use of prayer beads may not be in the bible... everything in the rosary is taken directly from scripture because it all revolves around the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus.


    I should add a note, one of the truths that I have learned over the last few years is that Catholicism and its teachings are actually very biblical. I once had the perception, as most protestants, that Catholicism was unbiblical on numerous issues etc, but this really isn't true. In fact, the irony is that Catholicism does not rely solely on the bible because the bible itself teaches that the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth, yet Catholicism is profoundly biblical. Protestantism, on the other hand, which claims to rely solely on the bible has numerous doctrines which are either not biblical, or are based on misrepresentations and misinterpetations of the bible.
     
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  18. Chaim11

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    Im joining this comment.... :liturgy:
     
  19. truthHurts77

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    all truth is not contained in the Bible

    nowhere in the Bible does it say you have to go to an altar call either... but people do it... not catholics but others..

    in any case

    the rosary made me a Christian (practicing)

    isn't that good enough???

    it has done other things 4 me as well... so

    my testimony...

    it means a lot to me even if it doesn't mean much to you or anyone else...
     
  20. truthHurts77

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    wow, this is really shocking coming from a noncatholic

    thanks... encouraging...

    If it was true that the Bible was all we need for salvation

    then it would SAY that in the Bible somewhere.. but it does't... In fact it says that the Word is not up for personal interpretation... 1 or 2 Peter... and this is one interpretation... (sola scriptura)... and there are many tradtions spoken of.. that are encouraged..

    the Bible does not interpret itself
     
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