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I accept that the Bible says all life on Earth, and the Sun and the Moon were made in 7 days and Exodus 20:11 says "at least" that much in legal code about Genesis 1-2

Ex 20:
10 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD (YHWH)...
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

That's "legal code" -- hard to bend it.

Gen 2
Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.


Nothing in Genesis 2:1-3 argues against the time frame God gives it in Ex 20:11

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But for "some" -- The Bible is false, fiction, fantasy, myth ... and whatever an atheist imagines in the lab is "science" - fact, never to be questioned.

If Miracles are not "true" and historic fact - then no virgin birth, no miracles of Christ, no bodily resurrection of Christ, no Christ ascends to heaven as people watch etc.

Can we really do all that "denying" as if "for Jesus"?

The benefit of denying it all - is that it may be more acceptable to atheists to declare all of it myth, fiction, never-happened-in-history. It says nothing therefore it risks nothing. You can never disprove "the nothing" that it is saying. It is bullet proof.

But is that worth it?

Is that kind of watered down Christianity "worth dying for"?
Is it going to lead to "heaven"?
Is it going to be your hope when you die?
Is it going to shield you from the 7 last plagues?
Is it going to hold up - when "we must all stand before the judgment seat of Christ" 2 Cor 5 ??

Sure the Bible has parables and symbols - but we are talking about "legal code" and actual historic accounts being washed down the drain as 'just so much fiction/myth" - is that the kind of Bible, the kind of religion that turns the world upside down? Or is it merely an "also ran" set of myths?

If there is no pristine sinless paradise Eden - then nothing to "fall from" except "the law of tooth-and-claw carnage". And who in their right mind would need a Savior to die and get us BACK to that sort of "paradise"??
 
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I accept that the Bible says all life on Earth, and the Sun and the Moon were made in 7 days and Exodus 20:11 says "at least" that much in legal code about Genesis 1-2

Ex 20:
10 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD (YHWH)...
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

That's "legal code" -- hard to bend it.

Gen 2
Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.


Nothing in Genesis 2:1-3 argues against the time frame God gives it in Ex 20:11

=====================================
But for "some" -- The Bible is false, fiction, fantasy, myth ... and whatever an atheist imagines in the lab is "science" - fact, never to be questioned.

If Miracles are not "true" and historic fact - then no virgin birth, no miracles of Christ, no bodily resurrection of Christ, no Christ ascends to heaven as people watch etc.

Can we really do all that "denying" as if "for Jesus"?

The benefit of denying it all - is that it may be more acceptable to atheists to declare all of it myth, fiction, never-happened-in-history. It says nothing therefore it risks nothing. You can never disprove "the nothing" that it is saying. It is bullet proof.

But is that worth it?

Is that kind of watered down Christianity "worth dying for"?
Is it going to lead to "heaven"?
Is it going to be your hope when you die?
Is it going to shield you from the 7 last plagues?
Is it going to hold up - when "we must all stand before the judgment seat of Christ" 2 Cor 5 ??

Sure the Bible has parables and symbols - but we are talking about "legal code" and actual historic accounts being washed down the drain as 'just so much fiction/myth" - is that the kind of Bible, the kind of religion that turns the world upside down? Or is it merely an "also ran" set of myths?

If there is no pristine sinless paradise Eden - then nothing to "fall from" except "the law of tooth-and-claw carnage". And who in their right mind would need a Savior to die and get us BACK to that sort of "paradise"??
The whole purpose of the Bible is to show God's plan of salvation through Jesus and that by reading it, people come to believe in Jesus and put their trust in Him. If we read and study the Bible on the basis of that, then we are reading and studying it rightly. But if we get away from the central purpose of the Bible, then we get into vain and pointless arguments about side issues and be led astray into false doctrines.
 
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The whole purpose of the Bible is to show God's plan of salvation through Jesus and that by reading it, people come to believe in Jesus and put their trust in Him.

True. .This is why the Gospel of John starts off with Jesus as the Creator. And the Bible starts with God as Creator. Man has fallen ... "fallen from what?" and the Bible gives the answer.

By showing us a perfect sinless peaceful creation (not the law of tooth-and-claw carnage that blind faith evolutionism envisions) - we see a "paradise" created by a loving God for mankind. .then mankind chooses rebellion and forfeits that peaceful, sinless paradise... in fact the world is handed over from Adam to Satan as even Satan reminds Christ in Matthew 4.

And so the mission of the "Christ" - of the "Messiah" is to redeem fallen man and restore the image of God that man was created in -- ultimately the future resurrection of the saints and being reunited in one family with God.

If we read and study the Bible on the basis of that, then we are reading and studying it rightly.


But if we start to imagine that editing/tweeking/correcting-God/downsizing scripture has been "left to us" then we add that to our other list of failings as fallen human beings and we mar the Gospel solution God defines for us in His word.

in Christ,

Bob
 
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