Dems pressured the FDA to delay the COVID vaccine to hurt Trump

[LeafByNiggle]

Um, no it's not (emphasis added);

• Governor Andrew Cuomo (D-NY), in October: ...

This view of Andrew Cuomo was not representative of the Democrats generally.

 

[probinson]

This view of Andrew Cuomo was not representative of the Democrats generally.

Yes, yes it was.

Did you miss the post showing how democrats were the original anti-vaxxers? I'll post it again for your reference. Links-a-plenty for you to go listen to and read their own words;

BIDEN AND HIS ADVISORS SOWED DOUBT ABOUT THE SAFETY OF COVID-19 VACCINES

• In the months leading up to the election, Democrats repeatedly cast doubt and undermined public confidence in the safety and effectiveness of vaccines produced under the Trump administration.
  • Democrats’ dog whistling about vaccines was seized on by anti-vaxxers and led to a rise in vaccine skepticism.
• Joe Biden questioned whether a vaccine would be “real.”
  • In August, Biden suggested the vaccines might be unsafe, saying “if and when the vaccine comes, it’s not likely to go through all the tests…and trials that are needed to be done.”
  • In September, Biden legitimized those who were questioning the safety of the vaccines, saying, “who’s going to take the shot? Are you going to be the first one to say sign me up?”
  • Days later, then-Biden Press Secretary Symone Sanders repeatedly refused to saywhether Biden would take the COVID vaccine if it was approved before election day.
  • A week later, Biden said the American people “should not have confidence” in the vaccine unless it met his campaign’s specific criteria.
• In September, Kamala Harris refused to say whether she would take a vaccine approved before Election Day: “I think that’s going to be an issue for all of us.”
  • Harris said that scientists would not have the “last word” in approving the vaccine, and suggested a vaccine may not be effective.
• Ron Klain, now White House Chief of Staff, tweeted: “When you read how Team Trump played politics with testing it makes you wonder how they will handle vaccines?”

DEMOCRAT GOVERNORS UNDERMINED VACCINE CONFIDENCE

• Governor Andrew Cuomo (D-NY), in October: “I believe all across the country you're going to need someone other than this FDA and this CDC saying it's safe.”
  • Cuomo said he was “not that confident” in the FDA’s approval process for a COVID-19 vaccine and that Americans “should be” “skeptical” about a vaccine.
  • In September, Cuomo said “I’m not going to trust” the federal government’s opinion on whether the vaccine is safe and “wouldn’t recommend to New Yorkers based on the federal government’s opinion.”
• Governor Jay Inslee (D-WA) in September: “I believe we will need to have access to the vaccine results so we can make our independent assessment to make sure that Donald Trump’s fingerprints are not on it.”
  • Inslee, when asked if he would be willing to take a vaccine released before the election, wouldn’t commit to doing so, saying “I would have to look at the science.”

CONGRESSIONAL DEMOCRATS QUESTIONED THE SAFETY OF THE VACCINES

• Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN): “We can’t trust the President and take his word, and take a vaccine that might cause harm to us.”
• Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) said the FDA and CDC “have gotten screwed up by President Trump” and that “unfortunately, they aren’t the gold standard any longer, so you need to take a slightly closer look” at a vaccine.
• Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) suggested – without evidence – that there was political interference in the FDA approval process.
• Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA): “We cannot take for granted this process [of developing a vaccine] will be free of political influence.”
• Sen. Tina Smith (D-MN) suggested that if a vaccine was announced before election day, it would be because of political pressure.

PROMINENT DEMOCRATS SAID THEY WERE “HESITANT” TO GET THE VACCINE

• Former Rep. Katie Hill (D-CA) tweeted she was “skeptical” of getting the vaccine and suggested the vaccine would not be safe, saying that “Trump’s plan is to test the vaccine” on his supporters.
• Senate candidate Cal Cunningham said “yes, I would be hesitant” to get the vaccine.

Democrats Repeatedly Undermined the Vaccine

It was not until Biden was confirmed as the winner of the election that the democrats completely flipped positions.

 

[Vylo]

Yes, yes it was.

Did you miss the post showing how democrats were the original anti-vaxxers? I'll post it again for your reference. Links-a-plenty for you to go listen to and read their own words;

BIDEN AND HIS ADVISORS SOWED DOUBT ABOUT THE SAFETY OF COVID-19 VACCINES

• In the months leading up to the election, Democrats repeatedly cast doubt and undermined public confidence in the safety and effectiveness of vaccines produced under the Trump administration.
  • Democrats’ dog whistling about vaccines was seized on by anti-vaxxers and led to a rise in vaccine skepticism.
• Joe Biden questioned whether a vaccine would be “real.”
  • In August, Biden suggested the vaccines might be unsafe, saying “if and when the vaccine comes, it’s not likely to go through all the tests…and trials that are needed to be done.”
  • In September, Biden legitimized those who were questioning the safety of the vaccines, saying, “who’s going to take the shot? Are you going to be the first one to say sign me up?”
  • Days later, then-Biden Press Secretary Symone Sanders repeatedly refused to saywhether Biden would take the COVID vaccine if it was approved before election day.
  • A week later, Biden said the American people “should not have confidence” in the vaccine unless it met his campaign’s specific criteria.
• In September, Kamala Harris refused to say whether she would take a vaccine approved before Election Day: “I think that’s going to be an issue for all of us.”
  • Harris said that scientists would not have the “last word” in approving the vaccine, and suggested a vaccine may not be effective.
• Ron Klain, now White House Chief of Staff, tweeted: “When you read how Team Trump played politics with testing it makes you wonder how they will handle vaccines?”

DEMOCRAT GOVERNORS UNDERMINED VACCINE CONFIDENCE

• Governor Andrew Cuomo (D-NY), in October: “I believe all across the country you're going to need someone other than this FDA and this CDC saying it's safe.”
  • Cuomo said he was “not that confident” in the FDA’s approval process for a COVID-19 vaccine and that Americans “should be” “skeptical” about a vaccine.
  • In September, Cuomo said “I’m not going to trust” the federal government’s opinion on whether the vaccine is safe and “wouldn’t recommend to New Yorkers based on the federal government’s opinion.”
• Governor Jay Inslee (D-WA) in September: “I believe we will need to have access to the vaccine results so we can make our independent assessment to make sure that Donald Trump’s fingerprints are not on it.”
  • Inslee, when asked if he would be willing to take a vaccine released before the election, wouldn’t commit to doing so, saying “I would have to look at the science.”

CONGRESSIONAL DEMOCRATS QUESTIONED THE SAFETY OF THE VACCINES

• Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN): “We can’t trust the President and take his word, and take a vaccine that might cause harm to us.”
• Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) said the FDA and CDC “have gotten screwed up by President Trump” and that “unfortunately, they aren’t the gold standard any longer, so you need to take a slightly closer look” at a vaccine.
• Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) suggested – without evidence – that there was political interference in the FDA approval process.
• Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA): “We cannot take for granted this process [of developing a vaccine] will be free of political influence.”
• Sen. Tina Smith (D-MN) suggested that if a vaccine was announced before election day, it would be because of political pressure.

PROMINENT DEMOCRATS SAID THEY WERE “HESITANT” TO GET THE VACCINE

• Former Rep. Katie Hill (D-CA) tweeted she was “skeptical” of getting the vaccine and suggested the vaccine would not be safe, saying that “Trump’s plan is to test the vaccine” on his supporters.
• Senate candidate Cal Cunningham said “yes, I would be hesitant” to get the vaccine.

Democrats Repeatedly Undermined the Vaccine

It was not until Biden was confirmed as the winner of the election that the democrats completely flipped positions.

Again, look at who was in charge. Why would we trust anything that comes out of Trump's mouth, especially after his catastrophic and borderline genocidal handling of the early pandemic?

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Yes, yes it was.

Did you miss the post showing how democrats were the original anti-vaxxers? I'll post it again for your reference. Links-a-plenty for you to go listen to and read their own words;

BIDEN AND HIS ADVISORS SOWED DOUBT ABOUT THE SAFETY OF COVID-19 VACCINES

• In the months leading up to the election, Democrats repeatedly cast doubt and undermined public confidence in the safety and effectiveness of vaccines produced under the Trump administration.
  • Democrats’ dog whistling about vaccines was seized on by anti-vaxxers and led to a rise in vaccine skepticism.
• Joe Biden questioned whether a vaccine would be “real.”
  • In August, Biden suggested the vaccines might be unsafe, saying “if and when the vaccine comes, it’s not likely to go through all the tests…and trials that are needed to be done.”
  • In September, Biden legitimized those who were questioning the safety of the vaccines, saying, “who’s going to take the shot? Are you going to be the first one to say sign me up?”
  • Days later, then-Biden Press Secretary Symone Sanders repeatedly refused to saywhether Biden would take the COVID vaccine if it was approved before election day.
  • A week later, Biden said the American people “should not have confidence” in the vaccine unless it met his campaign’s specific criteria.
• In September, Kamala Harris refused to say whether she would take a vaccine approved before Election Day: “I think that’s going to be an issue for all of us.”
  • Harris said that scientists would not have the “last word” in approving the vaccine, and suggested a vaccine may not be effective.
• Ron Klain, now White House Chief of Staff, tweeted: “When you read how Team Trump played politics with testing it makes you wonder how they will handle vaccines?”

DEMOCRAT GOVERNORS UNDERMINED VACCINE CONFIDENCE

• Governor Andrew Cuomo (D-NY), in October: “I believe all across the country you're going to need someone other than this FDA and this CDC saying it's safe.”
  • Cuomo said he was “not that confident” in the FDA’s approval process for a COVID-19 vaccine and that Americans “should be” “skeptical” about a vaccine.
  • In September, Cuomo said “I’m not going to trust” the federal government’s opinion on whether the vaccine is safe and “wouldn’t recommend to New Yorkers based on the federal government’s opinion.”
• Governor Jay Inslee (D-WA) in September: “I believe we will need to have access to the vaccine results so we can make our independent assessment to make sure that Donald Trump’s fingerprints are not on it.”
  • Inslee, when asked if he would be willing to take a vaccine released before the election, wouldn’t commit to doing so, saying “I would have to look at the science.”

CONGRESSIONAL DEMOCRATS QUESTIONED THE SAFETY OF THE VACCINES

• Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN): “We can’t trust the President and take his word, and take a vaccine that might cause harm to us.”
• Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) said the FDA and CDC “have gotten screwed up by President Trump” and that “unfortunately, they aren’t the gold standard any longer, so you need to take a slightly closer look” at a vaccine.
• Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) suggested – without evidence – that there was political interference in the FDA approval process.
• Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA): “We cannot take for granted this process [of developing a vaccine] will be free of political influence.”
• Sen. Tina Smith (D-MN) suggested that if a vaccine was announced before election day, it would be because of political pressure.

PROMINENT DEMOCRATS SAID THEY WERE “HESITANT” TO GET THE VACCINE

• Former Rep. Katie Hill (D-CA) tweeted she was “skeptical” of getting the vaccine and suggested the vaccine would not be safe, saying that “Trump’s plan is to test the vaccine” on his supporters.
• Senate candidate Cal Cunningham said “yes, I would be hesitant” to get the vaccine.

Democrats Repeatedly Undermined the Vaccine

These were all expressions of distrust for Trump's potential to override the findings of the public health establishment with his own judgement. He had shown a propensity for ignoring their findings already, and so it was a valid concern. But it was never a distrust of what the medical establishment developed when it is respected by the politicians.

It was not until Biden was confirmed as the winner of the election that the democrats completely flipped positions.

No, they accepted the vaccine only after the CDC and the FDA cleared it. The fact that they cleared it for Emergency Use Authorization one month after the election was a weak coincidence.

 

[KCfromNC]

How is a travel ban from African countries that was instituted by Biden where he excluded American citizens "totally unrelated" to Trump instituting a travel ban from China where he excluded American citizens?

In a thread discussing the alleged actions of various people during Donald's one term, for starters.

 

[probinson]

Again, look at who was in charge. Why would we trust anything that comes out of Trump's mouth, especially after his catastrophic and borderline genocidal handling of the early pandemic?

Then why did they flip while Trump was still in charge?

What you're saying is not logical. If the vaccine could not be trusted on November 8, then there's no reason it should have been trusted on November 9. The only thing that changed was that they knew Biden would be in office in January.

 

[probinson]

These were all expressions of distrust for Trump's potential to override the findings of the public health establishment with his own judgement.

Hmm. Isn't that what Biden did with boosters? I mean, the top two vaccine regulators at the FDA resigned in protest over the whole authorization of boosters debacle last year. So it would seem that some people are only concerned if politicians override medical findings if their preferred party isn't currently in power.

But it was never a distrust of what the medical establishment developed when it is respected by the politicians.

It's amazing to me that you actually believe this.

No, they accepted the vaccine only after the CDC and the FDA cleared it. The fact that they cleared it for Emergency Use Authorization one month after the election was a weak coincidence.

Why do you keep saying things that are untrue?

On November 9, 2020, just TWO DAYS after the election results were confirmed, Pfizer came out with a press release saying their vaccine was 95% effective. This was long before any FDA or CDC approval. And yet, democrats were suddenly positively giddy about the vaccine they had spent MONTHS disparaging. The receipts are all there. The record doesn't allow for this blatant historical revisionism. Democrats only began supporting the vaccine when it was clear that Biden had won the election. They did not even bother to wait until the FDA or the CDC had cleared it. It was an instantaneous, overnight flip supported by nothing more than a political victory.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Hmm. Isn't that what Biden did with boosters? I mean, the top two vaccine regulators at the FDA resigned in protest over the whole authorization of boosters debacle last year.

What Biden did in advancing boosters faster than the FDA wanted was indeed just as bad as what Trump did in pushing for an early release of the vaccine. Both were wrong.

But here is what is NOT comparable: Throughout the early days of the pandemic, long before a vaccine was even close, Trump was pushing various unapproved remedies, despite the strong advise of the public health officials - things like Hydroxychloroquine, and later, Ivermectin. It is notable that when HE got covid, he resorted to none of those phony remedies, but got a cocktail of the best the health care community had to offer. I remember well the discussions on social media among Trump followers about how we don't need any questionable vaccines. We have perfectly good treatments that are good enough. That was the real damage that Trump did to public trust in the covid vaccines, and there is nothing in the Biden administration that is remotely comparable to that travesty.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

This would ring more true if there had been a vaccine roll-out plan in place,

There was a plan in place.

 

[rjs330]

So, who was in the White House in 2020?

You do know who got the vaccine in record time right? All that despite the democrats opposition to him and apparent attempts to cause problems.

 

[rjs330]

I clearly remember the first decade of HIV...and covid doesn't even come close. I mean as far as i know no one has ever used Covid as a justifcation for building massive death camps.

Yes they did. There were those that suggested all those who wouldn't get the vaccine get placed in a camp. They also suggested that those who didn't get vaccinated shouldn't get treatment either.

 

[rjs330]

Isn't that exactly what Biden did with the "Africa ban"? (emphasis added)

In addition to South Africa, the current restrictions (which do not apply to returning U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents) bar the entry of those traveling from the nations of Botswana, Zimbabwe, Namibia, Lesotho, Eswatini (aka Swaziland), Mozambique, and Malawi.

Biden Bans Travel from Eight African Countries Over ‘Omicron’ Covid Variant​

Wow, what a racist. And it's even aimed at black people.

 

[probinson]

What Biden did in advancing boosters faster than the FDA wanted was indeed just as bad as what Trump did in pushing for an early release of the vaccine. Both were wrong.

I'm happy to hear you say that. I've discussed this with others on this forum that thought there was absolutely nothing improper about the way boosters came to be approved.

But here is what is NOT comparable: Throughout the early days of the pandemic, long before a vaccine was even close, Trump was pushing various unapproved remedies, despite the strong advise of the public health officials - things like Hydroxychloroquine, and later, Ivermectin. It is notable that when HE got covid, he resorted to none of those phony remedies, but got a cocktail of the best the health care community had to offer. I remember well the discussions on social media among Trump followers about how we don't need any questionable vaccines. We have perfectly good treatments that are good enough. That was the real damage that Trump did to public trust in the covid vaccines, and there is nothing in the Biden administration that is remotely comparable to that travesty.

So your issue is that Trump pushed misinformation. Kind of like The Biden administration is doing now. Dr. Ashish Jha came out and told everyone to get vaccinated by the election (oops, I mean "Halloween") so that their grandmas will be safer at the holidays. But there's no data that supports that assertion. There's no way to know if your grandma will be any safer at Christmas if you get a bivalent booster now or if the protection against infection and transmission will be completely gone by December if you get one today. Yet here you have the US COVID czar claiming with certainty that if you love your grandma, you'll get this untested, bivalent booster now.

It's ALL propaganda.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

So your issue is that Trump pushed misinformation. Kind of like The Biden administration is doing now.

Nope. Not at all. Opinions on the right time to get a booster, even if not the same as the FDA, is not misinformation. Pushing phony cures in lieu of a vaccine is much worse. People died because of it. Pushing boosters too early is merely a waste of time.

 

[KCfromNC]

Then why did they flip while Trump was still in charge?

Likely the research data showing the vaccine was both safe and effective.

 

[probinson]

Likely the research data showing the vaccine was both safe and effective.

There was none.

There was a press release from Pfizer. That's it. There was no independent verification of any kind. The FDA and CDC didn't approve the vaccine for another month after the press release. Yet all of a sudden, democrats couldn't stop talking about how amazing and wonderful the vaccine that they had disparaged for months prior was.

What has been even more amazing to me throughout this pandemic, above and beyond the overnight flip-flops based on absolutely no evidence or data of any kind, is the willingness of large portions of the population to not only erroneously believe that this was somehow "following the science", but also to become good little useful idiots in unquestionably and vigorously regurgitating whatever they were told was true at that moment.

 

[KCfromNC]

There was none.

You're really going to go with the claim there's zero research showing the vaccine works?

 

[probinson]

You're really going to go with the claim there's zero research showing the vaccine works?

No, I'm going with the claim that the democrats flipped their position on the vaccine before there was any evidence. All they had to go on was a press release from Pfizer. But now that "their guy" was going to be president, all of the skepticism they had expressed just days and weeks earlier vanished into thin air.

 

[probinson]

Nope. Not at all. Opinions on the right time to get a booster, even if not the same as the FDA, is not misinformation. Pushing phony cures in lieu of a vaccine is much worse. People died because of it. Pushing boosters too early is merely a waste of time.

I am amazed that you think there are no downsides at all to vaccines and boosters. You have to know that ALL medicine is a risk/benefit analysis, and giving someone too many doses of something they don't need absolutely carries with it some level of unknown risk. It sure seems like you've succumbed to the neanderthal-esque position of VACCINE GOOD! MORE BETTER!

Additionally, when the majority of the population sees that the approval of these vaccines is politically driven and not evidence-based, trust is broken. This is one thing the democrats were right to be concerned about. ANY politician pushing vaccines without evidence-based data is concerning, although they seem to have forgotten this was a problem after Biden was elected. Heck, Dr. Ashish Jha announced the exact date that vaccines would be available for children under 5 BEFORE the vaccine advisory committee had even met! The new BA.5 vaccine was approved without even convening the advisory committee. This undermines trust in public health, which has dire consequences.

Whether you will admit it or not, the FDA and CDC have squandered their trust like Monopoly money. The result is people far less likely to heed ANY advice the FDA and CDC gives, whether it's logical or not. Having proven themselves not as independent regulatory bodies protecting the people, but rather as political pawns, many people just completely disregard what they say now. That's concerning.

Consider this gem from the FDA;

Is the FDA a regulatory agency tasked with verifying the safety and efficacy of drugs, or are they a marketing wing for Pfizer and Moderna? When was the last time you saw the FDA effectively advertising a drug? Isn't this concerning to you?

The more this happens, the more trust will diminish, and the end result will be that people will disregard even good advice and guidance, because that trust has been destroyed. We're already seeing the results. Diseases that were once just a bad memory are re-emerging as people shun not only the COVID vaccines, but ALL vaccines, even those with decades of clearly demonstrated safety and efficacy. I suppose you'd like to blame "anti-vaxxers" for this, but the reality is, anti-vaxxers have always been around forever and never had this type of impact. The overselling and over-promising of COVID vaccines, along with the coercive measures to compel every man, woman and child alive to get the COVID vaccines is directly responsible for this loss of trust. And the consequences will be far more detrimental than people taking HCQ or IVM.

 

[KCfromNC]

No, I'm going with the claim that the democrats flipped their position on the vaccine before there was any evidence. All they had to go on was a press release from Pfizer. But now that "their guy" was going to be president, all of the skepticism they had expressed just days and weeks earlier vanished into thin air.

I'd be very curious to see a timeline of this alleged flipping, with sources included.