Democrats Prove They Don't Really Care

[rjs330]

Now you’re just piling on.

You have to know that's when the Democrats protested the elector results. Right? You seem like an informed person. If you are not aware of that I suggest you look it up.

 

[Erik Nelson]

The old racist and nationalist trope

demonization, ad hominem, emotional appeals

that it's cheap labour that is killing their jobs and NOT the companies willing to BREAK THE LAWS to employ them

you (by all appearances) support both

you (by all appearances) support (in practice) both undermining organized labor on both the "supply side" (allow floods of cheap illegal immigrant labor) and "demand side" (allow those illegals to be employed for pennies on the union dollar)

Karl Marx himself denounced capitalists for depressing wages to starvation levels by creating a "reserve army of the unemployed" to threaten workers with

Now even Marx was a "racist & nationalist" ??

Meanwhile, actual conservatives like Rep. Chip Roy do not (actually) hate Latino people themselves:

 

[cow451]

The GOP did not align with the riot. They all condemned it.

I'm missing the part where the party held anyone accountable.

 

[cow451]

National election. Look it up. That's when the Democrats protested the electoral results. They didn't want to certify.

What national election was held in 2001?

 

[rambot]

demonization, ad hominem, emotional appeals

Factual assessments from the FBI. But I do understand how easy it is for you to dismiss facts are hurtful when they cast a bad light on people you agree with.

you (by all appearances) support both

Honestly, how can you possible say that? I would LOVE to hear a hermeneutic breakdown of what I wrote and how you came to that conclusion.

you (by all appearances) support (in practice) both undermining organized labor on both the "supply side" (allow floods of cheap illegal immigrant labor) and "demand side" (allow those illegals to be employed for pennies on the union dollar)

What? Did you read what I posted cause this is CRAZY talk level of ignoring what I said?
Perhaps you can help me by answering just this one question:
1) Are employers allowed to LEGALLY employ illegals?
2) If they are not legally allowed to employ illegals, are you okay with them maximizing their profit margins at the expense of American workers?
Because either:
1) You are NOT okay with it and you should start going after business owners who are breaking the law
or
2) You ARE okay with it and you are part of the problem.

Karl Marx himself denounced capitalists for depressing wages to starvation levels by creating a "reserve army of the unemployed" to threaten workers with

This feels a bit "Dunnigan-Krugery" to me

Now even Marx was a "racist & nationalist" ??

Well first, yeah he was. Kinda shocked that an expert such as yourself didn't know that.

But more important, the logic you used to get to this argument based on what I said is farcical at best.

At BEST!

 

[rambot]

Unions also take the money and use it to support Democrats and liberal policies no matter what the people in the union want.

Unions will support government policies and parties that support workers.
I'm sure it's jarring to hear that for the first time but it's just true. Sorry. Republicans work to undermine workers rights and protections in an effort to maximize profits.

Companies and people are not allowed to try and determine the legality of their workers. Sure some may suspect, but there is no mechanism for them to determine if someone is legal or not. This is a BIG elephant in the room. Blame companies or individuals for hiring illegals but then turn around and not allow them to investigate whether someone is illegal it not.

I'm gonna be pleading ignorance on this point so I apologize but I have some questions:
1) Do companies have a legal obligation to record their employees existence?
2) Do companies have a legal obligation to deduct taxes from said employees?
3) Are those tax deduction not connected to a social insurance number, green card ID number or any other government tracking number?
Because here is what I read:

How can Undocumented Immigrants be Hired Without a Social Security Number?
Since the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, all employers are required to verify the work eligibility of all new hires by completing Form I-9, which mandates the employee provide a Social Security number and show documents to their employer to prove work authorization and identity. U.S. citizens frequently show their driver’s license and Social Security card, but because there are a number of documents that can be used to complete the form, the worker does not necessarily need to show their actual Social Security card. Undocumented workers who are hired without valid work authorization may provide their employer a fake Social Security number, someone else’s number, or even a previously-valid number issued when they may have had work authorization that has since lapsed. Furthermore, most employers do not—and, except for certain employers, are not required to—verify this information with any government entity at the time of hire. Additionally, employers cannot, by law, ask to see any specific or additional documents other than what the worker provides, so the Social Security number provided by an undocumented immigrant on their Form I-9 would be used by the employer to withhold payroll taxes and would be included on their W-2 form.

What Happens if an Undocumented Immigrant Uses a Fake or Someone Else’s Social Security Number?
The employer will withhold federal and payroll taxes as with any other employee and report that to the Social Security Administration (SSA) and the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). SSA notes when a name and number on a submitted W-2 do not match the Social Security records and may notify an employer, but it has no authority to enforce penalties. The IRS does have enforcement power, but it rarely investigates employers—even those with a high number of suspect W-2s—both as a matter of limited resources and because of the relative ease with which the employer can show it did its due diligence as required by the law to ask the employee for a corrected number. Further, since the penalty is only a $50 fine for each mismatch, it generally is not worth the government’s time to pursue it. Even if an employer is notified of a mismatch, under immigration law it is not considered proof that a worker is undocumented, so all the employer can do is ask the employee to correct their information. Taking any sort of action to terminate the worker could violate anti-discrimination law.

These businesses have a VESTED interest in maximizing profits.

Yes, illegal immigrants are taking American jobs and can bring down wages.

Do you also know that Americans don't take the jobs that many illegals are willing to do; let alone for the reduced wages?
I wonder if a federal minimum wage could resolve that and bring some Americans into the job market.

 

[rjs330]

I'm missing the part where the party held anyone accountable.

The party was not involved. None of the representatives were involved in the riot. Anymore than Democrats representativea were involved in the riots last year. Unless you are saying they were. Were the Democrats involved?

 

[rjs330]

What national election was held in 2001?

I believe the the protest against the electoral results was done in 2001.

 

[Erik Nelson]

Dems do not support actual rank-and-file union laborers (in male-dominated industry, maybe education & service sector are truly different):

Laid Off Pipeline Worker Has Heartbreaking Message For Joe Biden

 

[rambot]

Dems do not support actual rank-and-file union laborers (in male-dominated industry, maybe education & service sector are truly different):

Laid Off Pipeline Worker Has Heartbreaking Message For Joe Biden

If that fellow is willing to retrain, he can get new jobs.

I am NOT saying that Dems do a good job at supporting the rank and file though they have several candidates (noteably Bernie) who have worked for supporting workers his WHOLE life. Sadly, the party has also been bought by corporists.

With that said, if you have a viable party alternative for working class people to vote for that helps workers instead of just saying "Hey, we help workers" I would love to hear of it.

Cause it ain't the republicans.

The GOP Coalition Is Getting More Working-Class. Its Agenda Isn’t.

Republicans Economic Views and How They Work in the Real World

 

[Erik Nelson]

Unions will support government policies and parties that support workers.

Keystone

 

[Erik Nelson]

Do you also know that Americans don't take the jobs that many illegals are willing to do; let alone for the reduced wages?

"Capitalists" say the exact same

 

[Erik Nelson]

1) Are employers allowed to LEGALLY employ illegals?

Are foreigners allowed to LEGALLY enter the US without permission?

Two flip sides of one coin

You either support both, or oppose both

But you can't (legitimately) claim they're separate issues -- it's the jobs that attract them in the first place (and have been for a hundred years and more)

 

[rambot]

Keystone

Okay.

Green New Deal could employ a LOT of people; WAAAAAY more than Keystone did for a few months. Likely solving MORE than a few employment problems.

Why don't you support that?

 

[Aldebaran]

No, And most encouraged COVID-19 to spread.

Stimulus checks went out during the Trump administration, and masks were mandated to be worn. Apologies for not doing everything he could to totally bankrupt the country though (as if that's what it takes to show we care).

 

[rambot]

Are foreigners allowed to LEGALLY enter the US without permission?

Two flip sides of one coin

I think your speaking English here but I am thoroughly confused.

But you can't (legitimately) claim they're separate issues -- it's the jobs that attract them in the first place (and have been for a hundred years and more)

Sure I can.

Simple question:
Why don't Americans fill those jobs?

 

[Aldebaran]

Okay.

Green New Deal could employ a LOT of people; WAAAAAY more than Keystone did for a few months. Likely solving MORE than a few employment problems.

Why don't you support that?

Green new deal will have the carbon tax per ton of C02 go from $8 as it was under Trump, and now to $51 as it is now under Biden, to eventually $400. The companies that produce your energy and products will pass those costs onto you, and you'll have to pay those taxes, even though Biden said he wouldn't raise your taxes.

So, those new jobs better be very high paying in order to be able to pay so much of it for the climax hoax that's being pushed on us.

 

[rambot]

Stimulus checks went out during the Trump administration, and masks were mandated to be worn. Apologies for not doing everything he could to totally bankrupt the country though (as if that's what it takes to show we care).

1) 10 months of suffering: "Trump sent out a stimulus check"....of 600$. That's almost akin to spitting cool water in someone's face on a hot day. Nothing really to brag about as a way to suggest "support for people".
Republicans did not advocate for robust stimulous support for American families. At BEST they advocated for token support. Even when Trump advocated for it, they hummed and hawed.
2) Trump never mandated masks.

 

[Aldebaran]

1) 10 months of suffering: "Trump sent out a stimulus check"....of 600$. That's almost akin to spitting cool water in someone's face on a hot day. Nothing really to brag about as a way to suggest "support for people".
Republicans did not advocate for robust stimulous support for American families. At BEST they advocated for token support. Even when Trump advocated for it, they hummed and hawed.

You make it sound as if the American economy can afford to resort to every American being fully funded by the government. That socialistic thinking is what's going to result in the bankruptcy of the nation. The multi-trillion dollar spending that's now being done on a regular basis seems to be expected now, even though it was once the entire nation's federal budget for an entire year.

 

[Ringo84]

"Democrats prove they just don't care"

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