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Defending a religious person...

Discussion in 'Ethics & Morality' started by Hestha, Jan 30, 2013.

  1. FrenchyBearpaw

    FrenchyBearpaw Take time for granite.

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    A lot of time atheists are former Christians, and we know quite well what your religion teaches, which would be the exact opposite of a straw man tactic. In fact, it is my opinion that most atheists know substantially more than your average theist, which is the impetus for leaving in the first place.

    Liberty in terminology is one thing. Deliberately being evasive and using semantics to deliberately avoid addressing a question is worthy of contempt.
     
  2. seeking Christ

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  3. variant

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    Most people don't tell me stuff like this:

     
  4. variant

    variant Happy Cat

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    Alright Christians someone translate how this:

    answers this question:

    Specifically I would like to know

    What your religion teaches on the subject of what happens to people who lack faith.
     
  5. seeking Christ

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    I did. You threw a hissy fit. Sorry, can't help ya.

    Key words there - it seemed to you. Pointing that out once to raise my attention to it is fair. From there not taking my response at face value is inexcusable.

    False, you simply refused to learn, and insisted I "didn't answer." That's playing games. If you don't want to learn that's fine, but you can't have it both ways.

    There is none of this expecting you to "completely adopt my view of things." You are unwilling to communicate, on a talk forum. You ask for clarification and when I do so, you object and get all huffy. I think it would be easier to find out what a person has to say, you'd rather not. Seems strange to me, but ok.
     
  6. FrenchyBearpaw

    FrenchyBearpaw Take time for granite.

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    raze, don't resort to the same patterns that got you banned the first time.

    :thumbsup:

    Oh, and put up that Phil Stubbs avatar, I liked it.
     
  7. variant

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    OK, point to anywhere you like in this thread where you apropriately defined any of the terms you objected to.

    :waits with bated breath:
     
  8. seeking Christ

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    How can you read my answer and not realize that we simply aren't told? I told you the extent of what can be known, and I did so quite concisely. The Roman Catholic Catechism addresses that, and while IMHO they pretend to know all sorts of stuff they really don't, they STILL bottom line with an "Idunno."

    All Judgment is given unto the Son.

    This is why Biblical Christianity stresses a relationship with Jesus.
     
  9. variant

    variant Happy Cat

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    Well see were getting there.

    Why shouldn't I be an atheist then?
     
  10. FrenchyBearpaw

    FrenchyBearpaw Take time for granite.

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    Ok, now we're getting somewhere. What happens when one doesn't have a relationship with Jesus?
     
  11. seeking Christ

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    Notice that the above is filled out with NO NEW INFO presented, all of that is in the thread already.
     
  12. variant

    variant Happy Cat

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    It's your responsibility to define the terms you disagree with.

    You did not. You just object to just about every religious term I use and act like it's a mystery that you are privy to and I am not.

    Lead with information if you are having trouble communicating.
     
  13. seeking Christ

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    I don't see why that took a day and a half :confused: With apologies to the rest of the forum that had to see this train wreck.

    ^_^

    What's the purpose of this thread?

    Why are you trying to goad me into apologetics? Despite that some campaign for its return, its not happening.

    I think its very important that each person makes up their own mind on such things. The founding Fathers of this Country had it right in my opinion: all this stuff is a matter of private conscience, if I remember their phrase correctly. Most people are hesitant to discuss such things. Even on this website, some will both ask and attack, and never divulge their own opinion.

    There were certain things I had to know before I could or would believe. I know what I did to pursue God on the matter(s), and I can look back and see how that lined up to what the Bible teaches. I also know that God answered me, and did so in overwhelming fashion. If anyone wants to know how to approach God on their own to get their own answers, I could help point that person in the right direction, but that is not going to be a nice formula of step 1 step 2 step 3 there ya have it.

    Now go ahead and accuse me of not addressing your question ^_^ I'm waiting :cool1:
     
  14. seeking Christ

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    Sorry but any such portrayal in this format is simply you perception. In the face of your protests, I wasn't about to forge ahead. if you want sense, act sensibly.
     
  15. seeking Christ

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    Sorry but the words are clear. Don't be like like Bill Clinton: "it depends what your definition of 'is' is."

    I've done quite enough of that, and polluted what may otherwise have been a good thread while trying to reason with unreasonableness.
     
  16. variant

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    The thread is about how people are sometimes mean to religious folks for seemingly no reason, and asks if anyone ever defends those who are religious.

    I'm discussing your beliefs and others like them which I often harshly question, you were 'correcting' me on a specific point and refused to elaborate.

    You didn't address the question.

    If you feel that there aren't serious repercussions for my complete disagreement with your religion then you do not fall into the type of religious person I usually criticize.

    A lot of how non-believers react to the religious has to do with our experience with them.
     
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  17. variant

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    You actually on several occasions said I can not possibly understand you and have taken no steps to elaborate on these terms except to rebuke me for using them incorrectly.

    Of course I am going to object strongly.
     
  18. FrenchyBearpaw

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    So what happens to one who doesn't have a relationship with Jesus?
     
  19. seeking Christ

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    Does that make me special? I won't opine on "serious repercussions" or not. If what you really mean to say is you expect any and every Christian to shout at you 'turn or burn,' I point out the early Church never did that so I see no reason to. At the same time I can't really be sure what they DID do, due to problems like written records being destroyed by Romans and etc.

    Even so I can (and have) learn *a little something* about it, including the fact that it doesn't seem to fit into your mold? Again, that's not my fault.
     
  20. Eyes wide Open

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    I asked you to clarify what you saw and the situation in which you have 'seen' a demon. Your answer first up was that it was to sensitive for these horrible folk here abouts, now you tell the words are 'clear' and to not be like Bill Clinton?
    The word Demon is clear, but your definition of that is not and neither is your explaination of the events surrounding it, as they are both non-existent, meaning.....YOU HAVE SAID NOTHING.
    Lets pollute things no further by cutting my dialogue with you, you are a waste of time. Frenchy Bear Paw beat me to the assessment of your previous 'tag' by the way. That arrogance is hard to hide.
     
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