Debate with Nihilist Virus - Does Matthew Take Isaiah 7:14 Out of Context?

[Tree of Life]

I propose a formal debate with @Nihilist Virus on the question: "Does Matthew take Isaiah 7:14 out of context?"

Matthew quotes from Isaiah 7:14 in Matthew 1:23 connecting it to the virgin birth of Christ. @Nihilist Virus has argued elsewhere that Matthew's use is illegitimate and possibly nefarious. I'll let Nihilist articulate his own thesis that he wishes to defend. But my position is that Matthew uses the Isaiah verse legitimately based on the organic and prophetic relationship between Jesus Christ and what's going on in Isaiah 7-9.

I propose three rounds with introductions and conclusions. So the posting would go something like this:

Post 1 - Nihilist Virus Thesis and Intro
Post 2 - ToL Thesis and Intro

Post 3 - Nihilist Virus first response
Post 4 - ToL first response

Post 5 - Nihilist Virus second response
Post 6 - ToL second response

Post 7 - Nihilist Virus third response
Post 8 - ToL third response

Post 9 - Nihilist Virus concluding arguments
Post 10 - ToL concluding arguments

I propose a maximum time limit of one week between posts. Also I propose a maximum word count of 1000 words per post. Is all this agreeable to you @Nihilist Virus?

@MarkRohfrietsch when can we get this fired up?

 

[JackRT]

Are posts from others permitted?

 

[Tree of Life]

Are posts from others permitted?

Not in a formal debate. Though once this is approved there would be a peanut gallery thread where others can comment on the debate.

 

[JackRT]

Not in a formal debate. Though once this is approved there would be a peanut gallery thread where others can comment on the debate.

Understood.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

OK, thanks for setting this up.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Can't wait to see this and kibbitz. "a virgin ... shall call his name Immanuel" has always seemed salient to me.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

I propose a formal debate with @Nihilist Virus on the question: "Does Matthew take Isaiah 7:14 out of context?"

Matthew quotes from Isaiah 7:14 in Matthew 1:23 connecting it to the virgin birth of Christ. @Nihilist Virus has argued elsewhere that Matthew's use is illegitimate and possibly nefarious. I'll let Nihilist articulate his own thesis that he wishes to defend. But my position is that Matthew uses the Isaiah verse legitimately based on the organic and prophetic relationship between Jesus Christ and what's going on in Isaiah 7-9.

I propose three rounds with introductions and conclusions. So the posting would go something like this:

Post 1 - Nihilist Virus Thesis and Intro
Post 2 - ToL Thesis and Intro

Post 3 - Nihilist Virus first response
Post 4 - ToL first response

Post 5 - Nihilist Virus second response
Post 6 - ToL second response

Post 7 - Nihilist Virus third response
Post 8 - ToL third response

Post 9 - Nihilist Virus concluding arguments
Post 10 - ToL concluding arguments

I propose a maximum time limit of one week between posts. Also I propose a maximum word count of 1000 words per post. Is all this agreeable to you @Nihilist Virus?

@MarkRohfrietsch when can we get this fired up?

I will set this up before the end of the weekend. Thanks!

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

Debate thread is under construction...

 

[-V-]

Debate thread is under construction...

"Does Matthew Take Isaiah 7:14 Out of Context?"
"Tree of Life Will be taking the affirmative;
Nihilist Virus Will be opposing."

With that wording of the question, isn't NV taking the "affirmative", and ToL is opposing?

 

[Tree of Life]

@MarkRohfrietsch How's the thread production coming along? @Nihilist Virus

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

So sorry, life has gotten very busy. I will have time to get this finished this weekend. Please forgive me for taking so long.

Mark

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

The debate is now open:
Formal Debate --"Does Matthew take Isaiah 7:14 out of context?"

As usual, it is moderated; send me a PM when you post.

Thanks, and sorry this took so long.

Mark
CF Admin.

 

[Tree of Life]

Thanks @MarkRohfrietsch. @Nihilist Virus I'm looking forward to your intro post.

 

[Tinker Grey]

@MarkRohfrietsch, you still have the affirmative/negative reversed.

 

[Tree of Life]

@MarkRohfrietsch, you still have the affirmative/negative reversed.

It is reversed according to the debate title, but not according to the text in Mark's first post.

 

[Tinker Grey]

The title is posted as "Does Matthew take Isaiah 7:14 out of context?" If you are taking the affirmative, doesn't that mean you answer the question "yes"?

Maybe I don't understand what the debate really is (I haven't read the original proposal), but I'd assume the believer would answer "no."

ETA: OK, I see what you mean. I think that the title should be edited to conform what you are actually arguing.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

Thanks @MarkRohfrietsch. @Nihilist Virus I'm looking forward to your intro post.

Can't get it done today. I'll be able to over the weekend.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

Well I posted 24 hours ago. How long does it usually take for moderation approval?

 

[Tree of Life]

Well I posted 24 hours ago. How long does it usually take for moderation approval?

Thanks for getting us started. It can take up to 48 hours sometimes. PM @MarkRohfrietsch to let him know.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

Thanks, it is now up. Please do send me a PM.

Thanks!