"DEATH: What is it? What happens after?

[Ron Gurley]

"DEATH: What is it? What happens after?

Let us first define "DEATH!

Genesis 25:11
It came about after the death of Abraham, that God blessed his son Isaac;

the death...Hebrew 4194...maveth...dying, Death (personified), realm of the dead
SEE ALSO:
be put to death...Hebrew 4191...muwth...I.to die, kill, have one executed

Matthew 20:18
“Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem;
and the Son of Man will be delivered to the chief priests and scribes,
and they will condemn Him to death,

to death...Greek 2288...thanatos...I.the death of the body
A.that separation (whether natural or violent) of the soul/body (from spirit) by which the life on earth is ended

1 Corinthians 15:55...O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?”

(BODILY) Death is the cessation of all biological functions that sustain a living organism... (which) begin to decompose shortly after death.
DEATH (theological): Many cultures and religions have the idea of an afterlife,
and also hold the idea of reward ...or... judgement and punishment for past sin(s).

SEE: Death - Wikipedia

The example of Jesus: TRUE MAN...TRUE DEITY: A unique DUAL NATURE

Luke 23:46
And Jesus, crying out with a loud voice, said,
“Father, into Your hands I commit My SPIRIT.”
Having said this, He breathed His last. (BODY/SOUL combo bled to death.)

Ecclesiastes 12...Remember God in Your Youth: AT DEATH...
5B...For man goes to his ETERNAL HOME while mourners go about in the street.
7 then the DUST (Body/Soul) will return to the earth as it was, (Genesis 2:7)
and the SPIRIT (breath of life) will return to God who gave it. (Genesis 1:26)
8 “Vanity of vanities,” says the Preacher, “all is vanity!”

Q1: What part of Man "dies" when his blood pump and brain bucket stop?

Q2: What part of Man "lives" beyond "death"? (if any?)

What I choose to be BELIEVE for believers:

" To be absent from the BODY/SOUL (death on earth) is to be present (spiritually) with the TRI-UNE GOD (eternal life in heavenly realms)".
...a paraphrase of Paul, emphasizing differences in BODY / SPIRIT. SEE: 2 Cor. 5

2 Corinthians 5: 1-15 (NIV)...Our Heavenly Dwelling
8 We are confident, I say, and would prefer
to be away from the BODY and at home (HEAVEN) with the Lord.(SPIRITUAL PRESENCE)

1 Peter 3: 18-19 (NIV with my comments)
(Jesus the Christ's BODY) being put to death in the flesh, but made (spiritually) alive by (God) the (Holy) Spirit,
19 by whom also He (resurrected Jesus) went and preached to (~released) the spirits (souls) in prison,...
("Paradise" and "Hades" sides of "Abraham's Bosom") SEE: Luke 16:19-31 below

For the THREE parts of man, SPIRIT, SOUL and BODY, SEE:

1 Thessalonians 5:23 (NIV)
May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through.
May your whole SPIRIT, SOUL and BODY be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 4:12 (NASB) ....difference in SOUL and SPIRIT
For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword,
and piercing as far as the DIVISION of SOUL and SPIRIT,
of both joints and marrow, (BODY)
and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.(spiritual conscience)

Luke 16: 19-31...Jesus teaching on Jewish Tradition...Jesus' descent to set the captives free...fulfilled!
TWO unseen and separated spiritual PLACES for the bodies / souls of the DEAD...
"Paradise"* + "Hades"** = "Abraham's Busom"

Man's Bodies (sarx / soma) are mortal. They die a natural death when the heart / brain fail.

Man's linked Souls (psyches) are mortal and have a mystical union with Body. They die a natural death with the Body.

Man's Spirits (pnuema) are immortal, given in the spiritual image and likeness of the God of pure and perfect spirit.

The Body / Soul combo "houses" the Spirit.

Isaiah 42:5
Thus says God the Lord,
Who created the heavens and stretched them out,
Who spread out the earth and its offspring,
Who gives breath to the people on it (Body/Soul)
And SPIRIT to those who walk in it,

Zechariah 12:1B
Thus declares the Lord
who stretches out the heavens,
lays the foundation of the earth, and
forms the SPIRIT of man within him,(Body/Soul)

All SPIRITS will be JUDGED by God for their acts / omissions/thoughts while in the Body / Soul.

UNBELIEVERS: sentenced to the "lake of fire" and judged for their LACK OF SPIRITUAL POSITION + acts/thoughts ...at the "Great White Throne" of God.

Revelation 20:11-15
15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the (Lamb's) "book of life", (BELIEVERS) he was thrown into the "lake of fire." (UNBELIEVERS)

BELIEVERS: NOT judged about their SPIRITUAL POSITION in Christ. This was established at the time of their SALVATION EVENT.

JUDGMENT Seat (bema=awards platform) of Jesus the Christ:
Judgment of the BELIEVER'S WORKS...ONLY!

2 Corinthians 5: 1-15 (NIV) + 1 Corinthians 3:10-15
10 For we (BELIEVERS) must all appear before the "judgment (bema = awards platform) seat of Christ", that each one may receive what is due him for the things done (WORKS) while in the BODY, whether good or bad....

1 Corinthians 3:10-15 (NIV)...Judgment of the BELIEVER'S WORKS
1 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid,
which is Jesus Christ.(salvation)
12 If any man BUILDS on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw,
13 his WORK will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it (WORKS) to light.
It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's WORK.
14 If what he has BUILT survives, he will receive his REWARD.(CROWNS)
15 If it (WORK) is burned up, he will suffer LOSS;
he himself will be SAVED, but only as one escaping through the flames.(miraculous delivery)

Romans 14:1-23...BELIEVERS:....Do not judge one another
For to this end Christ died and lived again, so that he might be Lord of both the dead and the living.
Why do you pass judgment on your brother or sister?
Or you, why do you despise your brother or sister?
For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God.
For it is written,
“As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me,
and every tongue shall give praise to God.”
So then, each of us will be accountable to God....
for whatever does not proceed from faith is sin.

1 Corinthians 6:19 ...BELIEVERS
Or do you not know that your BODY (/soul combo) is a temple of (God) the Holy Spirit who is IN you, whom you have from God (the Father), and that you are not your own?

QUESTIONS:
1.What happens to YOU when you "die"?
2.What about cremation?
3.How do Biblical "resurrection(s)" fit in?
4.Was Jesus' resurrection a proven FACT? How was it unique?
5. Explain "Purgatory" and "Limbo".
6. Explain Paul's soul sleep.

 

[SkyWriting]

1. After the body ceases to function a persons Spirit either goes to be with God or not.
2. The Spirit remains untouched by flames or decay.
3. In the next life, the Spirit receives a new changed body, perhaps like Jesus had.
4. The change to a new Spirit based body would result in conditions difficult to repeat.
Additionally, repeating an event does not "prove" anything.
5. Spirits do not experience time, so the "time" between death and judgment day
has no "tools" for explanation.

 

[Ron Gurley]

Response to post #2: "2. Spirit remains untouched by flames or decay."

Revelation 20:10...doom of the unholy 3 spirit beings
And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the "lake of fire" and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Unbelievers are sentenced to the same eternal spiritual realm: "lake of fire".

Revelation 20:15
And if anyone’s name was not found written in the (Lamb's) "book of life", (BELIEVERS)he was thrown into the "lake of fire".(UNBELIEVERS)

 

[Phantasman]

1.What happens to YOU when you "die"?
2.What about cremation?
3.How do Biblical "resurrection(s)" fit in?
4.Was Jesus' resurrection a proven FACT? How was it unique?
5. Explain "Purgatory" and "Limbo".
6. Explain Paul's soul sleep.

1. A Christian doesn't die.

John:
25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Transformed is a better word.

2. That is my choice.

John:
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing
John:
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Paul:
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God

3. Resurrection of the dead was when Jesus went to those, who through their faith, saw him as the light when he appeared in Hades. This occurred as his spirit left his body on the cross, and why Matthew says:

And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

Resurrection is the spirit returning to God the Father. In mans case, with or without the soul. The OT had ignorance as an excuse to die without truth. It is better to have never known than to know and turn away. I see judgement as not anything close to the author of Revelations. It's to physical, fleshly. Judgement will be spiritual. And we do not understand enough of spiritual, which is why we are driven by faith and hope.

4. It is based on faith and hope.

5. Can't find it in any Canon or non Canon Gospel. Sounds man made.


6. Sounds non Gospel by it's definition.

But, man is mind with soul and spirit. The soul tethered to the flesh. The spirit tethered to the Father.

The soul and mind are in control until we can acknowledge the understanding of the spirit. Baptism is the decision to accept the spirit (of God) and allow us to grow in it's understanding through knowledge. The Holy Ghost enters us in the Chrism (of fire) when we reach the ability to understand spiritual knowledge. As the spirit grows, it can overcome the soul, so that the spirit controls the mind completely. In this case, the soul would be (maybe) asleep. That's my stab at it.

 

[Ron Gurley]

RE: Question #6..."SLEEP" = "DEATH"??

1 Corinthians 11:30
For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number sleep.

1 Corinthians 15:51
Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed,

sleep...Greek 2837...koimaō...
I.to cause to sleep, put to sleep
II.metaphors:
A.to still, calm, quiet
B.to fall asleep, to sleep
C.to die

 

[Ron Gurley]

RE: Question #1

Hebrew 9:27
And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to "die" once and after this comes "judgment", (of immortal SPIRIT?)

to die...Greek 599...apothnēskō...
I.to die
A.of the natural death of man
B.of the violent death of man or animals
C.to perish by means of something
D.of trees which dry up, of seeds which rot when planted
E.of eternal death, to be subject to eternal misery in hell

comes judgment...Greek 2920...krisis...
I.a separating, sundering, separation
A.a trial, contest
II.selection
III.judgment
A.opinion or decision given concerning anything
i.esp. concerning justice and injustice, right or wrong
B.sentence of condemnation, damnatory judgment, condemnation and punishment
IV.the college of judges (a tribunal of seven men in the several cities of Palestine; as distinguished from the Sanhedrin, which had its seat at Jerusalem)
V.right, justice

 

[Cassidy Bennett]

"DEATH: What is it? What happens after?

Let us first define "DEATH!

Genesis 25:11
It came about after the death of Abraham, that God blessed his son Isaac;

the death...Hebrew 4194...maveth...dying, Death (personified), realm of the dead
SEE ALSO:
be put to death...Hebrew 4191...muwth...I.to die, kill, have one executed

Matthew 20:18
“Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem;
and the Son of Man will be delivered to the chief priests and scribes,
and they will condemn Him to death,

to death...Greek 2288...thanatos...I.the death of the body
A.that separation (whether natural or violent) of the soul/body (from spirit) by which the life on earth is ended

1 Corinthians 15:55...O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?”

(BODILY) Death is the cessation of all biological functions that sustain a living organism... (which) begin to decompose shortly after death.
DEATH (theological): Many cultures and religions have the idea of an afterlife,
and also hold the idea of reward ...or... judgement and punishment for past sin(s).

SEE: Death - Wikipedia

The example of Jesus: TRUE MAN...TRUE DEITY: A unique DUAL NATURE

Luke 23:46
And Jesus, crying out with a loud voice, said,
“Father, into Your hands I commit My SPIRIT.”
Having said this, He breathed His last. (BODY/SOUL combo bled to death.)

Ecclesiastes 12...Remember God in Your Youth: AT DEATH...
5B...For man goes to his ETERNAL HOME while mourners go about in the street.
7 then the DUST (Body/Soul) will return to the earth as it was, (Genesis 2:7)
and the SPIRIT (breath of life) will return to God who gave it. (Genesis 1:26)
8 “Vanity of vanities,” says the Preacher, “all is vanity!”

Q1: What part of Man "dies" when his blood pump and brain bucket stop?

Q2: What part of Man "lives" beyond "death"? (if any?)

What I choose to be BELIEVE for believers:

" To be absent from the BODY/SOUL (death on earth) is to be present (spiritually) with the TRI-UNE GOD (eternal life in heavenly realms)".
...a paraphrase of Paul, emphasizing differences in BODY / SPIRIT. SEE: 2 Cor. 5

2 Corinthians 5: 1-15 (NIV)...Our Heavenly Dwelling
8 We are confident, I say, and would prefer
to be away from the BODY and at home (HEAVEN) with the Lord.(SPIRITUAL PRESENCE)

1 Peter 3: 18-19 (NIV with my comments)
(Jesus the Christ's BODY) being put to death in the flesh, but made (spiritually) alive by (God) the (Holy) Spirit,
19 by whom also He (resurrected Jesus) went and preached to (~released) the spirits (souls) in prison,...
("Paradise" and "Hades" sides of "Abraham's Bosom") SEE: Luke 16:19-31 below

For the THREE parts of man, SPIRIT, SOUL and BODY, SEE:

1 Thessalonians 5:23 (NIV)
May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through.
May your whole SPIRIT, SOUL and BODY be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 4:12 (NASB) ....difference in SOUL and SPIRIT
For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword,
and piercing as far as the DIVISION of SOUL and SPIRIT,
of both joints and marrow, (BODY)
and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.(spiritual conscience)

Luke 16: 19-31...Jesus teaching on Jewish Tradition...Jesus' descent to set the captives free...fulfilled!
TWO unseen and separated spiritual PLACES for the bodies / souls of the DEAD...
"Paradise"* + "Hades"** = "Abraham's Busom"

Man's Bodies (sarx / soma) are mortal. They die a natural death when the heart / brain fail.

Man's linked Souls (psyches) are mortal and have a mystical union with Body. They die a natural death with the Body.

Man's Spirits (pnuema) are immortal, given in the spiritual image and likeness of the God of pure and perfect spirit.

The Body / Soul combo "houses" the Spirit.

Isaiah 42:5
Thus says God the Lord,
Who created the heavens and stretched them out,
Who spread out the earth and its offspring,
Who gives breath to the people on it (Body/Soul)
And SPIRIT to those who walk in it,

Zechariah 12:1B
Thus declares the Lord
who stretches out the heavens,
lays the foundation of the earth, and
forms the SPIRIT of man within him,(Body/Soul)

All SPIRITS will be JUDGED by God for their acts / omissions/thoughts while in the Body / Soul.

UNBELIEVERS: sentenced to the "lake of fire" and judged for their LACK OF SPIRITUAL POSITION + acts/thoughts ...at the "Great White Throne" of God.

Revelation 20:11-15
15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the (Lamb's) "book of life", (BELIEVERS) he was thrown into the "lake of fire." (UNBELIEVERS)

BELIEVERS: NOT judged about their SPIRITUAL POSITION in Christ. This was established at the time of their SALVATION EVENT.

JUDGMENT Seat (bema=awards platform) of Jesus the Christ:
Judgment of the BELIEVER'S WORKS...ONLY!

2 Corinthians 5: 1-15 (NIV) + 1 Corinthians 3:10-15
10 For we (BELIEVERS) must all appear before the "judgment (bema = awards platform) seat of Christ", that each one may receive what is due him for the things done (WORKS) while in the BODY, whether good or bad....

1 Corinthians 3:10-15 (NIV)...Judgment of the BELIEVER'S WORKS
1 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid,
which is Jesus Christ.(salvation)
12 If any man BUILDS on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw,
13 his WORK will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it (WORKS) to light.
It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's WORK.
14 If what he has BUILT survives, he will receive his REWARD.(CROWNS)
15 If it (WORK) is burned up, he will suffer LOSS;
he himself will be SAVED, but only as one escaping through the flames.(miraculous delivery)

Romans 14:1-23...BELIEVERS:....Do not judge one another
For to this end Christ died and lived again, so that he might be Lord of both the dead and the living.
Why do you pass judgment on your brother or sister?
Or you, why do you despise your brother or sister?
For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God.
For it is written,
“As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me,
and every tongue shall give praise to God.”
So then, each of us will be accountable to God....
for whatever does not proceed from faith is sin.

1 Corinthians 6:19 ...BELIEVERS
Or do you not know that your BODY (/soul combo) is a temple of (God) the Holy Spirit who is IN you, whom you have from God (the Father), and that you are not your own?

QUESTIONS:
1.What happens to YOU when you "die"?
2.What about cremation?
3.How do Biblical "resurrection(s)" fit in?
4.Was Jesus' resurrection a proven FACT? How was it unique?
5. Explain "Purgatory" and "Limbo".
6. Explain Paul's soul sleep.

1. I won't die. I'll meet Jesus again and go with him this time. It doesn't feel like dying.... the opposite actually. It's very exciting to go back.
2 &3. Cremation is fine. That's just the physical body. We'll have new perfect bodies.
4. Almost all historians believe in the existence of Jesus. That includes even atheists. It's just they differ on who he really is. It's probably not considered a "fact" he resurrected as we are not there and can't see with our own eyes. Heck some people don't believe in the holocaust and that wasn't that long ago.
5. "Purgatory and limbo" running from God maybe. I'm not sure bc I didn't have this experience. He found me.
6. Time is a physical property. Time works different in the spiritual world so everything could be at the same time.

 

[Ron Gurley]

"Death" is a door for BELIEVERS. On this side, Man has a BODY+SOUL+SPIRIT. On the other side, we are "changed" and have "spirit bodies" similar to that of the Risen Christ.

A Beautiful Promise!

All believers are promised "spirit-bodies" LIKE Jesus the God-Man WITHOUT ANY needs of the "flesh"...(sarx,soma)
without ANY needs of their old deceased Body / Soul combo...their old "dust".

1 Corinthians 15: 42-49 (NASB) ...Jesus' Resurrection promises all believers a "spiritual body"

Philippians 3 : 10, 20 (NIV1984) Jesus: "glorious body"

1 John 3:2
Beloved, now we are children of God, (BELIEVERS)
and it has not appeared as yet what we WILL BE.
We know that when He appears, we will be LIKE HIM,
because we will see Him just as He is.

Romans 6:5
5 For if we have become united with Him in the LIKENESS of His death,
certainly we shall also be in the LIKENESS of His resurrection,

Romans 8:11
But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you,
He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies
through His Spirit who dwells in you.

Mark 12:25
For when they rise from the dead,
they neither marry nor are given in marriage,
but are LIKE angels in heaven. (spirit beings)

 

[Phantasman]

RE: Question #1

Hebrew 9:27
And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to "die" once and after this comes "judgment", (of immortal SPIRIT?)

to die...Greek 599...apothnēskō...
I.to die
A.of the natural death of man
B.of the violent death of man or animals
C.to perish by means of something
D.of trees which dry up, of seeds which rot when planted
E.of eternal death, to be subject to eternal misery in hell

comes judgment...Greek 2920...krisis...
I.a separating, sundering, separation
A.a trial, contest
II.selection
III.judgment
A.opinion or decision given concerning anything
i.esp. concerning justice and injustice, right or wrong
B.sentence of condemnation, damnatory judgment, condemnation and punishment
IV.the college of judges (a tribunal of seven men in the several cities of Palestine; as distinguished from the Sanhedrin, which had its seat at Jerusalem)
V.right, justice

The spirit within us is from the Father and returns to the Father. It is not judged and no Christian scripture says it is.

It is the soul that is judged, given by another who is not perfect. Had they been perfect they would not have created an imperfect soul. The body (flesh) has it's fate and profits nothing, as Jesus said. It has been judged and has no place in heaven.

The soul is judged.

 

[SBC]

"DEATH: What is it? What happens after?

Let us first define "DEATH!

Simple ~ Death is a separation from God.

A "thing" ie body, ie soul can be living and dead at the same time.
It can be living - but separated from God - thus living and dead.

QUESTIONS:

1.What happens to YOU when you "die"?

excluding Adam - but regarding natural earthly things called mankind ~
First a thing has to be BORN, before it can Die.
Adam's body was not born, but rather dust from the earth, was formed into a body by God. And once formed, God blew LIFE from God into his body.
All body's of men are still from the dust of the earth, formed by God in the womb of a woman. That forming body depends on the blood of the mother, until it is born and severed from the mother, receiving LIFE from God, just as Adam did.

The Life that brings the body into a living state, is called the Living soul.
Once the Body is brought into a living state; the Life of the Body, which maintains the Body is called the BLOOD.

The Living Soul will remain in the body, as long as the Blood maintains the Life of the Body. When the Body's blood no longer maintains the body's life, the body physically dies and returns to dust.
The Living Soul departs the dying body, and continues living, with God or separated from God. (in Heaven or in Hell).

Physical life - pertains to something Gods has created or made. Particularly something a man can SEE.

Spiritual life - pertains to something God gives a thing. It may something Gods makes, and may be able to be seen by men, or not.

God makes body's from dust of an existing thing, he created, called dust of the earth.
God makes souls - but from what is not revealed.

But what we do know is; Both things, called a body, and called a living soul, are things that God has given life. (and not yet mentioned, but the same applies to a spirit)

God is Life, and ANYTHING that has LIFE, is LIFE given that thing, from God.

ANY separation FROM God, of something that has LIFE - body, soul, spirit - IS something that is Spiritually DEAD - ie DEAD TO GOD. (His books, His records, His accounting).

So again - things that ARE living CAN be "accounted BY God" as DEAD, and many times in Scripture CALLED Dead.

A natural human, IS BORN separated from God -
thus physically alive bodily.
thus has a living soul.
and has a "natural" spirit.
But IS bodily and spiritually DEAD TO GOD.

And it is a man WHO follows after Gods WAY, which is also called Jesus' WAY, which IS from the beginning to this day, to trust, believe, be in submitted faithfulness to the Word of God; THEN shall such man; By and From the Faithful Lord -

Receive FORGIVENESS of his corrupt dead Body.
Receive CLEANSING of his corrupt dead Body.
Receive RESTORATION (ie saving) of his corrupt Living soul.
Receive a CIRCUMCISED (new) Heart.
Receive the SEED of God. (forever with the man)
Receive a QUICKENED (ie born again) spirit.
Receive the Holy Spirit of God. (forever with the man)

Which EFFECTS a mans INTERNAL transformation, BY God giving that man INTERNAL Forever LIFE with God, even though his body may become physically dead.

It is later that ALL men who have received Gods INTERNAL Forever LIFE, shall together, all men from beginning to end; Receive a GLORIOUS New BODY.

2.What about cremation?

Nowhere are there commands to burn or not burn a deceased body.
Nowhere are there curses, punishment, judgements against burning a deceased body -
except - human men SHALL not be burned on an Alter made unto God.

Jews have their own tradition of burial. Christians also have their own tradition of burial, as have and do other people, not only of how to dispose of a deceased body, but where. And BTW there were accounts of body's being burned in Scripture. Not necessarily, as a ritual for the deceased, but rather of their demise of how they became deceased, which also ocurrs today.

3.How do Biblical "resurrection(s)" fit in?

A resurrection is simply - something being alive, then dead, and then again alive.

Such things occurred several times in the Bible. A sneak peek if you will, for men to see the Power of God at work, testimony of witnesses, and a way for mankind to get an idea of what to expect.

Every body that has lived, SHALL experience a resurrection. Some will LIKE the results of the experience, Some will not.

4.Was Jesus' resurrection a proven FACT? How was it unique?

Proven Fact? Claimed by some who witnessed both Jesus' body dead, and thereafter witnessed His body alive. It is the witnesses Fact, their testimony, and ANYONE can believe their testimony, or NOT.

Unique? His Body did not come from the earth. His body was buried in a cave, not the earth. His body did not remain in the cave. His body did not rot or decompose. His body returned to heaven from whence it came. His body was last seen by witnesses rising into the clouds, where they lost sight of Him.

5. Explain "Purgatory" and "Limbo".

"Purgatory" is not a Biblical term, But according to Roman Catholicism it is:
a place or state of suffering inhabited by the souls of sinners who are expiating their sins before going to heaven.
Otherwise:
a place where cleansing or purifying occurs.

Personally, I don't agree with such notion.

"Limbo" also not a Biblical term, But according to some it is:
(in some Christian beliefs) the supposed abode of the souls of unbaptized infants, and of the just who died before Christ's coming.
Otherwise:
an uncertain period of awaiting a decision or resolution; an intermediate state or condition

Personally, I believe the souls of "dead infants/ young children" are with God, just as are the souls of every believer (whose body is physically dead). I believe they are in waiting for their new body's, just as any believing man on the earth, is in waiting for their new body's.

But I do not believe men in Christ, body and soul ON earth living, or dead body's on earth and living souls in heaven are idly waiting, wondering, what is going to happen, or otherwise waiting for God to make a decision. The decision has already been made, we simply wait to SEE it comes into fruition at Gods appointed time.

6. Explain Paul's soul sleep.

Soul sleep? Don't find that term in Scripture, nor have any clue what you are referring to that being something attributed to Paul's teaching.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[Phantasman]

Simple ~ Death is a separation from God.

A "thing" ie body, ie soul can be living and dead at the same time.
It can be living - but separated from God - thus living and dead.






excluding Adam - but regarding natural earthly things called mankind ~
First a thing has to be BORN, before it can Die.
Adam's body was not born, but rather dust from the earth, was formed into a body by God. And once formed, God blew LIFE from God into his body.
All body's of men are still from the dust of the earth, formed by God in the womb of a woman. That forming body depends on the blood of the mother, until it is born and severed from the mother, receiving LIFE from God, just as Adam did.

The Life that brings the body into a living state, is called the Living soul.
Once the Body is brought into a living state; the Life of the Body, which maintains the Body is called the BLOOD.

The Living Soul will remain in the body, as long as the Blood maintains the Life of the Body. When the Body's blood no longer maintains the body's life, the body physically dies and returns to dust.
The Living Soul departs the dying body, and continues living, with God or separated from God. (in Heaven or in Hell).

Physical life - pertains to something Gods has created or made. Particularly something a man can SEE.

Spiritual life - pertains to something God gives a thing. It may something Gods makes, and may be able to be seen by men, or not.

God makes body's from dust of an existing thing, he created, called dust of the earth.
God makes souls - but from what is not revealed.

But what we do know is; Both things, called a body, and called a living soul, are things that God has given life. (and not yet mentioned, but the same applies to a spirit)

God is Life, and ANYTHING that has LIFE, is LIFE given that thing, from God.

ANY separation FROM God, of something that has LIFE - body, soul, spirit - IS something that is Spiritually DEAD - ie DEAD TO GOD. (His books, His records, His accounting).

So again - things that ARE living CAN be "accounted BY God" as DEAD, and many times in Scripture CALLED Dead.

A natural human, IS BORN separated from God -
thus physically alive bodily.
thus has a living soul.
and has a "natural" spirit.
But IS bodily and spiritually DEAD TO GOD.

And it is a man WHO follows after Gods WAY, which is also called Jesus' WAY, which IS from the beginning to this day, to trust, believe, be in submitted faithfulness to the Word of God; THEN shall such man; By and From the Faithful Lord -

Receive FORGIVENESS of his corrupt dead Body.
Receive CLEANSING of his corrupt dead Body.
Receive RESTORATION (ie saving) of his corrupt Living soul.
Receive a CIRCUMCISED (new) Heart.
Receive the SEED of God. (forever with the man)
Receive a QUICKENED (ie born again) spirit.
Receive the Holy Spirit of God. (forever with the man)

Which EFFECTS a mans INTERNAL transformation, BY God giving that man INTERNAL Forever LIFE with God, even though his body may become physically dead.

It is later that ALL men who have received Gods INTERNAL Forever LIFE, shall together, all men from beginning to end; Receive a GLORIOUS New BODY.



Nowhere are there commands to burn or not burn a deceased body.
Nowhere are there curses, punishment, judgements against burning a deceased body -
except - human men SHALL not be burned on an Alter made unto God.

Jews have their own tradition of burial. Christians also have their own tradition of burial, as have and do other people, not only of how to dispose of a deceased body, but where. And BTW there were accounts of body's being burned in Scripture. Not necessarily, as a ritual for the deceased, but rather of their demise of how they became deceased, which also ocurrs today.



A resurrection is simply - something being alive, then dead, and then again alive.

Such things occurred several times in the Bible. A sneak peek if you will, for men to see the Power of God at work, testimony of witnesses, and a way for mankind to get an idea of what to expect.

Every body that has lived, SHALL experience a resurrection. Some will LIKE the results of the experience, Some will not.



Proven Fact? Claimed by some who witnessed both Jesus' body dead, and thereafter witnessed His body alive. It is the witnesses Fact, their testimony, and ANYONE can believe their testimony, or NOT.

Unique? His Body did not come from the earth. His body was buried in a cave, not the earth. His body did not remain in the cave. His body did not rot or decompose. His body returned to heaven from whence it came. His body was last seen by witnesses rising into the clouds, where they lost sight of Him.



"Purgatory" is not a Biblical term, But according to Roman Catholicism it is:
a place or state of suffering inhabited by the souls of sinners who are expiating their sins before going to heaven.
Otherwise:
a place where cleansing or purifying occurs.

Personally, I don't agree with such notion.

"Limbo" also not a Biblical term, But according to some it is:
(in some Christian beliefs) the supposed abode of the souls of unbaptized infants, and of the just who died before Christ's coming.
Otherwise:
an uncertain period of awaiting a decision or resolution; an intermediate state or condition

Personally, I believe the souls of "dead infants/ young children" are with God, just as are the souls of every believer (whose body is physically dead). I believe they are in waiting for their new body's, just as any believing man on the earth, is in waiting for their new body's.

But I do not believe men in Christ, body and soul ON earth living, or dead body's on earth and living souls in heaven are idly waiting, wondering, what is going to happen, or otherwise waiting for God to make a decision. The decision has already been made, we simply wait to SEE it comes into fruition at Gods appointed time.



Soul sleep? Don't find that term in Scripture, nor have any clue what you are referring to that being something attributed to Paul's teaching.

God Bless,
SBC

Good post. On question 1, give me some clarity. How did man receive the "spirit" from God that makes him alive (quickens him)? And when did God give man his spirit?

 

[ClementofA]

RE: Question #1

Hebrew 9:27
And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to "die" once and after this comes "judgment", (of immortal SPIRIT?)

to die...Greek 599...apothnēskō...
I.to die
A.of the natural death of man
B.of the violent death of man or animals
C.to perish by means of something
D.of trees which dry up, of seeds which rot when planted
E.of eternal death, to be subject to eternal misery in hell

comes judgment...Greek 2920...krisis...
I.a separating, sundering, separation
A.a trial, contest
II.selection
III.judgment
A.opinion or decision given concerning anything
i.esp. concerning justice and injustice, right or wrong
B.sentence of condemnation, damnatory judgment, condemnation and punishment
IV.the college of judges (a tribunal of seven men in the several cities of Palestine; as distinguished from the Sanhedrin, which had its seat at Jerusalem)
V.right, justice

Heb.9:27 says it is appointed to men once to die. Does that deny men can die twice? No. Does it say "only" once? No. If New England is appointed to play the Buffalo Bills twice, does that deny they won't meet again in the playoffs? No. How many times did those raised before the general resurrections die?"

I think, in light of the Rapture theory, many Christians would disagree with the statement that "100%, of mankind will die and face judgment". Not only that, but Hebrews 9:27 does not say men are "only" going to die once. Lazarus, for one, is a Biblical example of one who died twice & the book of Revelation speaks of the "second death"."

Heb.10:28 A man that hath set at nought Moses' law dieth without compassion on the word of two or three witnesses: 29 of how much sorer punishment, think ye, shall he be judged worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Stoning to death is not a very sore or longlasting punishment. People suffered far worse deaths via the torture methods of the eternal hell believing Medieval Inquisitionists and the German Nazis under Hitler.

Therefore, if the writer of Hebrews believed the wicked would be punished with something so monstrous as being endlessly annihilated or tormented, he would not have chosen to compare their punishment to something so lame as being stoned to death. Clearly he did not believe Love Omnipotent is an unfeeling terminator machine or sadist who abandons forever the beings He created in His own image & likeness so easily.

Heb.1:2a in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all

Heb.1:3b When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high

Heb.2:2b every transgression and disobedience received a just penalty

Heb.2:6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him?
7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:

8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

14 Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise also partook of the same, that through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,

15 And might free those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives.


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https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf

1 Jn.2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

If God doesn't save all, is it because He can't or doesn't want to?

"...it doesn't say what most evangelizers of hopelessness want it to say in that regard either."

"It is false, he maintained, to translate that phrase as "everlasting punishment," introducing into the New Testament the concept found in the Islamic Quran that God is going to torture the wicked forever."

"...non-Christians are punished forever for not recieving grace, which doesn't seem very graceful to me."

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[Ron Gurley]

"Fallen asleep" = Body/Soul combo "died"??

who had fallen asleep...Greek 2837...koimaō...
II.metaphor:
A.to still, calm, quiet
B.to fall asleep, to sleep
C.to die

Matthew 27:52
The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised;

John 11:11-12...This He said, and after that He said to them,
“Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep; but I go, so that I may awaken him out of sleep.”
The disciples then said to Him,
“Lord, if he has fallen asleep, he will recover.”

1 Corinthians 15:6
After that He appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom remain until now,
but some have fallen asleep;

1 Corinthians 15:18
Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.

1 Thessalonians 4:14-15
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again,
even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus.
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord,
that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep.

 

[FanthatSpark]

A mind set. John 14:28

Yet most fear death.