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Death Penalty

Discussion in 'General Political Discussion' started by Roark, Dec 12, 2005.

  1. Christian-- for the death penalty

  2. Christian-- against death penalty

  3. Non-Christian-- for the death penalty

  4. Non-Christian-- against death penalty

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  1. Roark

    Roark Former Backstreet Boy

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  2. Roark

    Roark Former Backstreet Boy

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    Arguments against the death penalty from a non-Christian.

    1) If one innocent person is killed, that should be enough to not have the death penalty

    2) It (likely?) costs more money to execute someone rather than keeping that person in prison for life.. I'm not completely sure where I heard this.. If this is true, I think this is probably the most compelling argument against the death penalty from a practical perspective---
     
  3. Quijote

    Quijote a.k.a Mr. Q

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    darn!

    I am opposed to the death penalty in the US where I believe the jails are secure enough to keep bad people in.

    However, I believe that the concept of the Death Penalty is morally just and appropriate under certain circumstances.

    So I guess I am going to vote "Christian - Against Death Penalty"
     
  4. Roark

    Roark Former Backstreet Boy

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    Who decides whether or not a man deserves execution? Do you trust our judicial system that much to get it right? I don't.
     
  5. Blackguard_

    Blackguard_ Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

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    It's true, the appeals process means lots of lawyers raking in lots of dough. Although this could be fixed by reforming the appeals process, or even the trials themselves.

    This is a good reason not to practice it, although I believe there are people who should be executed although the system is innadequete to sort out the guilty from the innocent. And with the above, how could you trust a legal system that has to go through tons of repeat trials to make sure they are right? Shouldn't a good trial system need only a few retrials?
     
  6. coyoteBR

    coyoteBR greetings

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    Death ènalty is not justice, is pure vengeance. It has no purpose at all.
    Plus, I remember a certain "Thou shall not kill" rule. If we allow our representants to do this, we became, we all, murderers.
     
  7. b*unique

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    against

    but also against luxury prisons :sigh:

    sometimes I wonder,there was just case here,a teacher used 10 -11 year old girl,
    whos dad died,for some time,and got only 8 years..that means he will serve some 4 years and will be free...:mad:
     
  8. Quijote

    Quijote a.k.a Mr. Q

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    Though it doesn't get it right everytime, I have to trust the judicial system. HOwever, as I stated, I don't support the DP in the US (do not see it as necessary).

    cheers
     
  9. Blackguard_

    Blackguard_ Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

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    No, it is also about protecting society. This may not be true in the days of prisons the size of smal cities, but it used to be the about only way to keep someone from killing or whatever again was to execute them.

    Even with modern prison complexes and LWOP you would still have problems with inmates at least being threats to other inmates.

    If we are not to have the DP out of fear of accidenlty executing an innocent, what of the fear of a guilty person left alive commiting some atrocity again?
     
  10. Roark

    Roark Former Backstreet Boy

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    I'm certain that innocent men have been killed... Our system isn't bullet proof
     
  11. Quijote

    Quijote a.k.a Mr. Q

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    Agreed.
     
  12. rebel_conservative

    rebel_conservative Baruch HaShem! Praise G-d!

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    yeah, I heard this too... but my information comes from some guy in a chatroom... anyway... he explained it to me that it is because there is an automatic retrial in death penalty cases, which costs a great deal more (apparently) than keeping him in prison for life...
     
  13. Natro

    Natro Agnostic Atheist

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    The death penalty is minus 15% but if a cleric reses you it can be brought down to almost 2 percent.
     
  14. Roark

    Roark Former Backstreet Boy

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    link?
     
  15. divided sky

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    Besides cost, what's the difference between the death penalty and keeping someone in jail for the rest of their life? I'd especially like to hear answers from atheists.
     
  16. Natro

    Natro Agnostic Atheist

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    Well thats mostly universal for most mmorpgs.
     
  17. franklin

    franklin Sexed up atheism = Pantheism

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    They had no mercy on their victims therefore, I say, let the ******* fry.
     
  18. divided sky

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    Another issue is this debate is the question of if the death penalty is effective in deterring crime. Doesn't appear to be. Furthermore, the death penalty is only brought up as a potential punishment for serious crimes. But people still commit serious crimes knowing if they're caught they may die for it.

    I think a strong argument against it is has already been brought up, possibly executing innocent people.
     
  19. Blackguard_

    Blackguard_ Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

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    ...and therefore the prisons should be emptied since people still commit serious crimes knowing if they're caught they may go to prison for it.

    It doesn't matter if killing sociapath A so he can't kill again doesn't deter sociopath B.
     
  20. hordeprime

    hordeprime God loves Atheists.

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    I voted non-Christian pro-dp. But every situation is different. It is not a simple 'yes' or 'no' question.
     
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