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Dead To The Law

Discussion in 'Sabbath and The Law' started by Minister Monardo, Jan 27, 2022.

  1. Minister Monardo

    Minister Monardo Well-Known Member

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    2 Corinthians 4:11 For we who live are always delivered to death for Jesus’ sake,
    that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our mortal flesh.

    We are set free from the Law, only when we are dead to the Law.
    Romans 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, you also are become dead to the law
    by the body of Christ
    ; that ye should be married to another, even to him
    who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

    When we come together as the body of Christ, we have the opportunity to manifest Christ.
    If we fail to manifest the fruit of the Spirit in our fellowship, we are still children,
    under the Law
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    James 2:9 But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers.

    This is the sure mercies of David, that we accept the discipline of God by the Holy Spirit.
    This "New" Covenant is not that new. It is the covenant God made with David.
    To accept the Lord's correction, and repent.
    That's what the Gospels and the Book of Acts teaches, that if we sin against the brethren
    70 times, we repent 70 times, until Christ is fully formed in us, and we can have an edifying conversation, without the need to repent. Where the fruit of the Spirit manifests in these
    and every other situation when we have to interact with other people, for when we judge
    them instead, we judge ourselves, for in so many ways, we are the same.

    Romans 2:1 Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever
    you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things.

    He has shown us what He desires of us.
    Micah 6:8. He has shown you, O man, what is good;
    And what does the LORD require of you, but to do justly,
    To love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
     
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  2. BobRyan

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    Amen --

    God is all in favor of obedience and is always opposed to rebellion against His Word.

    And obedience is only possible through the New Birth experience and by the power of the Holy Spirit.

    Christ died the death that the Law demands of each of us - that we might life the life that God desires us to live in Christ.

    The result is that both God's Justice and His mercy are affirmed. Not one destroying the other.
     
  3. Bob S

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    We are set free from the Law?? I don't understand "we" when I know gentiles have never been under the law. Paul must have been writing to Jews who were under the Law before Jesus ended the old covenant and replaced it with the new at Calvary.

    Yes, the law that Jesus gave to all mankind, love. Love others as Jesus loves us. 1Jn 3:19-24 19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: 20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. 21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

    I don't know about David, but it was made as an everlasting covenant with Abraham.


    Matt 7:1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? ...
     
  4. Bob S

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    Should we Americans be obedient to the mask law imposed by the president of Australia? Likewise should we be obedient to the ritual laws given to one nation, Israel and not any other nation?
     
  5. Minister Monardo

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    Gentiles are grafted into Israel. Romans 11
    Isaiah 55:3 Incline your ear, and come to Me. Hear, and your soul shall live;
    And I will make an everlasting covenant with you—
    The sure mercies of David.
    Acts 13:34
    And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return
    to corruption, he said on this wise,
    I will give you the sure mercies of David.

    Messiah fulfills all the promises made to David, and his covenant of mercy
    triumphs over judgment.
     
  6. Minister Monardo

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    This is off topic brother Bob S, this is a discussion of spiritual principles, not Australian politics.
    Follow your conscience, if you are born from above.
     
  7. BobRyan

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    Probably not - are you implying that the God of the Bible is not the "Christian God"??
    Did Paul make such a claim?
    Did Christ make such a claim?
     
  8. Bob S

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    That is not what Rom 11 is telling us. First off the covenant with Israel was not about their salvation, it was about how they were to live after slavery in Egypt. the Abrahamic covenant was about salvation. The covenant with Israel ended at Calvary. Israel cannot and never could give nor grant life. Being grafted into Israel makes no sense.

    Yes, it is called the new covenant as per Heb 8. Israel evidently didn't accept God's everlasting Abrahamic covenant and they also didn't accept the conditional Sinai covenant. Their branches fell off the Tree leaving room for gentiles to be grafted in. God once again offeres Israel and also gentiles the new eternal covenant of everlasting life.

    Acts 13 does not prove that it was a covenant.
     
  9. Bob S

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    Oh for goodness sake MM have some grace. I was merely making a similarity. Israel's rules were not necessarily like our rules. If you cannot see that well....
     
  10. Bob S

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    Are you implying that I did?
     
  11. Minister Monardo

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    Was it for no reason that Messiah had to be a descendant of David?
    Psalms 89:
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    I will sing of the mercies of the Lord forever;
    With my mouth will I make known Your faithfulness to all generations.
    2 For I have said, “Mercy shall be built up forever;
    Your faithfulness You shall establish in the very heavens.”
    3 “I have made a covenant with My chosen,
    I have sworn to My servant David:
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    ‘Your seed I will establish forever,
    And build up your throne to all generations.’ ” Selah

    2 Samuel 7:
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    When your days are fulfilled and you rest with your fathers, I will set up your seed after you,
    who will come from your body, and I will establish his kingdom.
    13 He shall build a house for My name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever.
    14 I will be his Father, and he shall be My son. If he commits iniquity, I will chasten him with
    the rod of men and with the blows of the sons of men.
    15 But My mercy shall not depart from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I removed from
    before you.
    16 And your house and your kingdom shall be established forever before you. Your throne
    shall be established forever.

    Romans 11 is directed at Gentiles, to understand their place beside Israel. Does it have to
    make sense to be truth? It makes sense to me, but I will not spend another minute trying
    to convince you otherwise. Over and out.
    Peace
     
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  12. Minister Monardo

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    I see that just fine. I don't see the need to bring in Australian law and how it pertains to
    an American citizen. It makes no sense.
    The topic can be fully discussed by the scriptures without making the similarity.
    For example, 1 Corinthians 5, Paul demands action be taken with regard to
    one of the brothers who was in an adulterous relationship. He did not demand
    that he be stoned, as per Moses. Does that line up with what you are saying?
    I am not Torah observant, But "all scripture is profitable".
     
  13. Clare73

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    They are the branches, they didn't "fall off". . .they were cut off (John 15:2), broken off
    (Romans 11:17) by God himself for their unbelief.
     
  14. BobRyan

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    speakers imply hearers infer.
     
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