Dayton shooter was pro antifa

[Albion]

El Paso shooter, wrote a manifesto with a complete and detailed reason/motive. .

We have the Dayton shooter's words in print, too. Just because he didn't title them with the word Manifesto doesn't minimize them. Hardly any of the well-known mass murders of the recent past issued a so-called Manifesto in advance, but we know what was motivating them.

 

[Skewpoint]

If so, we have even less evidence about the motives of the El Paso shooter, and yet look at the unhinged responses that came almost immediately from the people running for the presidency and so desperate for air time on the evening news that they'll say almost anything to get it.

Less evidence? There's a confirmed MANIFESTO. You are arguing that there is less evidence for El Paso than Dayton for motive? What?

 

[Skewpoint]

We have the Dayton shooter's words in print, too. Just because he didn't title them with the word Manifesto doesn't minimize them. Hardly any of the well-known mass murders of the recent past issued a so-called Manifesto in advance, but we know what was motivating them.

Yeah, now show us how those words are directly related to why he did the shooting. We're waiting. We can do it very easily for the El Paso shooter.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

If so, we have even less evidence about the motives of the El Paso shooter

Lol. Is the sky still blue in the alternate reality the right exists in?

The motive of the El Paso killer is pretty clear to anyone not trying to avoid the uncomfortable implications of it. He flat out says he’s trying to stop the Hispanic invasion in Texas, which is itself a moronic statement considering that land belonged to Spain before there even was a Texas or United States.

Who else has been talking about an invasion at our southern border?

 

[tall73]

El Paso shooter, wrote a manifesto with a complete and detailed reason/motive. The manifesto echoed much of what the President has said repeatedly. Not only that, but the most direct reason the shooter stated for doing it is what the President has said repeatedly. This is not a case where the Presidents word was taken way out of context. The President does bear some (not all) responsibility for El Paso.

That detailed manifesto also states that he has held his racial views for years, pre-dating Trump, and that Trump was not the motivation.

Should we blame Andrew Yang for the shooters concerns about automation? He said he watched the recent Democratic debates.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...hate-filled-manifesto-linked-el-paso-shooter/

In the case of the Antifa attack on an ICE facility he echoed the concentration camp phrasing of AOC. Is she to blame for his attack? No.

It would help if politicians would back off the rhetoric. But in the case of Trump and AOC they have figured out that over the top statements get headlines.

Legally the standard is incitement. Morally I would think it goes beyond that. But shooters still make their own decisions.

As for the Dayton shooting, I don't think we have enough to tie it to politics at this point. He had a kill list, and took out those close to him. That doesn't sound political so far. More information may come to light.

 

[Albion]

You are arguing that there is less evidence for El Paso than Dayton for motive? What?

Anyone who can alibi away that Dayton guy's record of threatening to shoot up a local bar...and also his own Twitter account on which he says Nazis deserve to die, that he isn't waiting any longer, and that he wants Socialism...probably already has his mind made up the way he wants it.

But we do know this: the relentless and extremist language used by the Democratic frontrunners is the kind of incendiary talk that can hardly fail to incite somebody like this Betts guy, just like it did with that party loyalist who shot up a baseball team of Republican congressmen and their aides. Shame on all of them. Hardly a one deserves to be in public office, let alone the Oval Office.

 

[Speedwell]

I appears the the most important thing to the Right about any of these shootings is that Trump not get any blame for any of them.

So let us stipulate that Trump is not to blame, whatever happened. Maybe the Right will relax enough as to be able to deal rationally with the issues.

After all, he only ever says what he thinks his supporters want to hear, without analyzing it for content or implication.

Trump is not to blame.

 

[Speedwell]

Anyone who can alibi away that guy's record of threatening to shoot up a local bar...and also his own Twitter account on which he says Nazi deserve to die, that he isn't waiting any longer, and that he wants Socialism...probably isn't going to be moved by the evidence.

But we do know this: the relentless and extremist language used by the Democratic frontrunners is the kind of incendiary talk that can hardly fail to incite somebody like this Betts guy. Shame on all of them. Hardly a one deserves to be in public office, let alone the Oval Office.

Yes. And the Right never indulges in the relentless use of incendiary and extremist language when talking about the Left, because everything they say about the Left is the absolute truth.

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

Anyone who can alibi away that Dayton guy's record of threatening to shoot up a local bar...and also his own Twitter account on which he says Nazis deserve to die, that he isn't waiting any longer, and that he wants Socialism...probably already has his mind made up the way he wants it.

But we do know this: the relentless and extremist language used by the Democratic frontrunners is the kind of incendiary talk that can hardly fail to incite somebody like this Betts guy, just like it did with that party loyalist who shot up a baseball team of Republican congressmen and their aides. Shame on all of them. Hardly a one deserves to be in public office, let alone the Oval Office.

The El Paso shooter wants to stop the Hispanic invasion so he shoots Hispanics at the El Paso Wal Mart. I can see an easy connection to his words and his actions.

How does shooting up a Dayton bar help usher in Socialism and/or kill Nazis? Was the bar a known Nazi hangout or inhibited by whatever you want to consider the opposite of socialist are? Where is the connection?

Also, Neckbeard Deathcamp is a band in the same inappropriate contentogrind music scene the Dayton shooter’s band, Menstrual Munchies, was a part. Neckbeard Deathcamp’s Twitter said, “I DON’T KNOW IF I WOULD USE THE TERM LEFTIST TO DESIGNATE ONE OF THE DUDES IN MENSTRUAL MUNCHIES.
ANTIFACISTS SURE. BUT NOT GREAT WITH WOMEN.” (I can’t link to the full tweet due to language).

 

[Freodin]

I'm not really sure what the intention behind this thread is at all.

The motive behind the Dayton shooting are still unclear. Even if this guy was such a fanatic leftist-antifa-Bernie-Bro-Warren-supporting-socialist... it is not clear yet if this shooting had something to do with these things. It seems to be a little strange for a leftist-socialist-antifa-activist to shoot up a bunch of people in a bar. Had he stormed a bank... well...

But let's say it was indeed political, or in some way related to his political views. So what? Are we (leftists) now supposed to defend him? Do his actions in some way excuse the deeds of the right-wing shooter in El Paso?

Or do they relativate them? Make the political views of an anti-immigrant shooter irrelevant, because "it was just some crazy guy".

Somehow I think it is the last point. The "left" isn't out there demanding to allow guns only for left-wingers. They want to do something to reduce all of that senseless violence.

But the other side seems to be quite comfortable in their view of "It has absolutely nothing to do with anything... so there is nothing that we could or should change. It's just the price of freedom."

As long as you don't have to pay it...

 

[Veritas]

Dayton Shooter’s Twitter Account Includes Pro-Antifa, Pro-Gun Control Comments

From Daily Signal. Cannot link, mild language involved.

Radical leftist, pro Antifa gunman

And the El Paso shooter was a progressive leftist. In his manifesto he expressed support for basic income, universal healthcare and even predicted the media would blame Trump and so he stated that Trump had nothing to do with his choices. Don't you love how you don't hear about this in the mainstream media because it doesn't fit their narrative? They have to keep pushing the rightwing, white supremacist view.

 

[Veritas]

It seems to be a little strange for a leftist-socialist-antifa-activist to shoot up a bunch of people in a bar

Really? In case you hadn't noticed, ANTIFA is pretty violent. In fact a lot of these leftwing protesters are rather unstable. Same for the El Paso shooter who was an avowed progressive. Looks like racism comes in a lot of forms, doesn't it?

 

[Speedwell]

And the El Paso shooter was a progressive leftist. In his manifesto he expressed support for basic income, universal healthcare and even predicted the media would blame Trump and so he stated that Trump had nothing to do with his choices. Don't you love how you don't hear about this in the mainstream media because it doesn't fit their narrative? They have to keep pushing the rightwing, white supremacist view.

Goodness! The next thing we'll be hearing is that he was a card-carrying Democrat acting under direct orders from Hillary.

 

[Veritas]

Goodness! The next thing we'll be hearing is that he was a card-carrying Democrat acting under direct orders from Hillary.

Is that suppose to be funny? Once doesn't have to be "card carrying" or taking "direct orders from Hillary" to be a nut or violent racist. This guy was both. Sad to see once make light of it.

 

[Hank77]

Do you mean to say that Bernie, the advocate for Socialism, was NOT "directly responsible" for the Dayton shootings committed by a professed admirer of Socialism??

How were the victims the enemies of socialism? How were the victims connected?

 

[Albion]

How were the victims the enemies of socialism?

I didn't say they were.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

I didn't say they were.

Then why are his politics relevant? If you're going to try to make a case that a shooter was engaging in political violence/terrorism, then you have to demonstrate that the shooter had a political goal in mind when he set out. In the case of the El Paso shooter, he wrote a letter saying that he wanted to stop the Mexican invasion of Texas. That demonstrates a clear political motive. Had the Dayton shooter left a note saying that he was going to bring about the socialist revolution by murdering the capitalists or slaughter the nazis (and targeted a known far-right/nationalist hangout), then you might have a point. So far though, nothing of that sort has turned up, so this thread seems like opportunistic leftist-bashing and hatemongering to me.

 

[Albion]

Then why are his politics relevant?

You're going to have to page back many posts to find the answer to that. This thread has wandered quite a bit since then.

 

[Hank77]

I didn't say they were.

Just trying to figure out his political motive.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

You're going to have to page back many posts to find the answer to that. This thread has wandered quit a bit since then.

I did. Same question.