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"DAYS OF VENGEANCE" Isaiah 61:2 and Luke 21:22 Revelation

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  1. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

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    Is there anyone here that would like to discuss Luke's "Days of Vengeance"? I feel it is perhaps one of the most profound eschatological verses in the NT.

    I will explain more fully as this thread goes along, and I hope we can have a fruitful, meaningful, edifying and friendly discussion on this.

    Luke actually quotes from this famous prophetic verse of Isaiah 61:2:


    Isaiah 61:2
    To proclaim the year of the good pleasure of Yahweh,
    And the day of vengeance <5359> of our 'Elohim, To comfort all mourners.


    As most everyone is aware of by now is, that Jesus leaves out the "Day of Vengeance" in His discourse recorded only by Luke. We will examine this more as we go along.

    Luke 4:
    16 Then Jesus came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up.
    As was His custom, He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath, and when He stood up to read, 17 the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. Unrolling it, He found the place where it was written:

    18 'The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to evangelize<2097 to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
    19 to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor<1184>.'
    20 Then He rolled up the scroll, returned it to the attendant, and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fixed on Him,
    21 and He began by saying,

    Today this Scripture<1124 is fulfilled<4137> in your hearing.


    In Matthew's Gospel, Jesus tells the disciples of John to go back and report these miracles of Jesus [who] is in prison:

    Matthew 11:
    3 to ask Him, “Are You the One who was to come, or should we look for someone else?”
    4 Jesus replied, “Go back and report to John what you hear and see:
    5 The blind receive sight, the lame walk, the lepersa are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and poor-ones are being evangelized-to 6 Blessed is the one who does not fall away on account of Me.”

    And now the prophetic end time verse of Luke 21:22 of the 70 Temple/Jerusalem discourse.


    Isaiah 61:2
    To proclaim<7121> the year of the good pleasure<7522> of Yahweh,
    And the day of vengeance <5359> of our 'Elohim, To comfort all mourners.

    Luke 21:22
    For these are the days of vengeance<1557>,
    to fulfill<4130> all things having been written<1125>.
     
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    Luke 21:25-26 describes the actual Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath.
    A literal one Day event, that will change the world and set the scene for all that must happen before Jesus Returns for His Millennium reign.
    Luke 21:22-24, tells of the punishment and retribution of the Jews and their second dispersion among the nations. Now, they have gone back to the Land, but in apostasy and face the third 'swing of the Sword', Ezekiel 21:14. Only a remnant will survive. Romans 9:27
     
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    Good and informative post.
    By "2nd dispersion" in Luke 21:22-24, are you referring to the 1st century destruction of Jerusalem by the Roman army in 70ad?

    Isaiah 61:2
    And the day of vengeance <5359> of our 'Elohim, To comfort all mourners.

    The equivalent Hebrew word for "vengeance" used in Luke 21:22 is:
    5359 naqam from 5358;
    revenge:--+ avenged, quarrel, vengeance.
    Strong's Number H5359 occurs 17 times in 17 verses

    The Greek word #1557 is unique only to Luke's Gospel, 3 verses.

    1557. ekdikesis from 1556;
    vindication, retribution:--(a-, re-)venge(-ance), punishment.
    Strong's Number G1557 occurs 10 times in 9 verses

    The other 2 verses from Luke:
    Luke 18:7
    7 The yet God should not be doing the vengeance/avenging<1557> for His elect/chosen ones, those imploring to Him day and night, although He beareth long with regard to them?
    8 I am saying to ye that He shall be carrying out the vengeance/avenging<1557> on their behalf in swiftness<5034>.
    Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on the land?”
     
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    The rest used in Acts [1] Epistles [5]

    Acts 7:24-28
    “And seeing one of them suffer wrong, he defended and avenged<1557> him who was oppressed,
    and struck down the Egyptian. [Exodus 2:11-12]

    Both Romans 12 and Hebrews 10 quote from Deuteronomy 32.

    Romans 12:19
    Beloved, do not avenge<1556> yourselves, but rather give place to wrath;
    for it is written, 'vengeance<1557>.. is Mine,
    I will repay, says the Lord'.
    Hebrews 10:30
    For we know Him who said, Vengeance<1557> is Mine, I will repay,” [says the Lord.[fn]]
    And again, “The LORD will judge His people.”
    2 Corinthians 7:11
    For observe this very thing, that you sorrowed in a godly manner: What diligence it produced in you, what clearing of yourselves, what indignation, what fear, what vehement desire, what zeal, what vindication<1557>!
    In all things you proved yourselves to be clear in this matter.
    2 Thessalonians 1:8
    in flaming fire taking vengeance<1557> on those who do not know God,
    and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
    1 Peter 2:14
    or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment<1557> of evildoers
    and for the praise of those who do good.


    To be continued.........


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    Before I continue with the other forms of the word #1557, I would just like to point out, that just as #1557 is used only in Luke of the Gospels:
    So also is this word "parousia<3952>" used only in the Gospel of Matthew.
    And then only in 4 verses of the entire 4 Gospels.
    Just found this unique word interesting............

    Where is the Parousia of Matt 24 showing in Revelation?

    Matthew 24:
    3
    He is yet sitting on the mount of the Olives, the disciples toward-came to Him according to own, saying, `Tell us! when? shall these be and what? the Sign of Thy ParousiaV <3952>,
    and of the together-finish/sun-teleiaV <4930> of the Age?'
    27 for even as the lightning/star-flashes/astraph <796> comes-out from risings, and is appearing till of west, thus shall be the parousia <3952> of the Son of Man;
    37 For as even the days of the Noah thus shall be the parousia <3952> of the Son of Man;
    39 and not they know till came the flood and took/lifted all! away.
    Thus shall be also the parousia<3952> of the Son of Man.

    Here are the exact form of those words that are used in the other 20 verses of the NT, for those who might be interested.

    Where is the Parousia of Matt 24 showing in Revelation?

    "Parousia" mentioned 24 Times

    parousiaV <3952> Mentioned 6 times.
    Matthew 24:3;
    Philippians 1:26; 2 Thessalonians 2:1,8;
    James 5:7; 2 Peter 3:4

    parousia <3952> Mentioned 15 times.
    Matthew 24:27, 37, 39;
    1 Corininthians 15:23, 16:17; 2 Corinthians 7:6-7, 10:10; Philippians 2:12; 1 Thessalonians 2:19, 3:13, 5:23; 2 Thessalonians 2:9;
    James 5:8, 1 John 2:28

    parousian <3952> Mentioned 3 Times
    1 thessalonians 4:15;
    2 Peter 1:16; 2 Peter 3:12
     
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  7. keras

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    Yes the first dispersion of the Jews was in 586 BC, by the Babylonians. The second was in 70 to 135 AD by the Romans.
    The forthcoming 'third swing of the Sword', will be by the Lord Himself. Ezekiel 21:1-7, Jeremiah 10:18, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Romans 9:27
    The great and terrible Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath, is vividly described in over 100 Bible prophesies. It will be the Sixth Seal event, that will happen when the Islamic peoples attack Israel, as per Psalms 83.
    Note; that in many of these prophesies, they say how the Lord's people will be protected and comforted. Saved, as Acts 2:21 and Joel 2:32 tells us.
     
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    Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

    1557. ekdikesis from 1556;

    vindication, retribution:--(a-, re-)venge(-ance), punishment.
    Strong's Number G1557 occurs 10 times in 9 verses

    1556. ekdikeo from 1558;
    to vindicate, retaliate, punish:--a (re-)venge.
    Strong's Number G1556 occurs 6 times in 6 verses


    1558. ekdikos
    from 1537 and 1349;
    carrying justice out, i.e. a punisher:--a (re-)venger.
    Strong's Number G1558 occurs 2 times in 2 verses


    1349. dike probably from 1166;
    right (as self-evident), i.e. justice (the principle, a decision, or its execution):--judgment, punish, vengeance.
    Strong's Number G1349 occurs 4 times in 4 verses


    And this all ties Luke in with Revelation, IMHO

    Luke 18:7
    “And shall God not avenge<1557> His own elect/chosen who cry out day and night to Him, though He bears long with them? [Revelation 6:10 Revelation 19:2]


    Revelation 6:10
    and they were crying with a great voice saying,
    'how long! O Master, the Holy and the True, dost Thou not judge
    and take vengeance/avenge<1556> of our blood from those dwelling upon the land?'

    Revelation 19:2
    because true and just/righteous<1342> are His judgments,
    because He did judge the great Whore who did corrupt the land in Her whoredom,
    and He did avenge<1556> the blood of His bond-servants at Her Hand;


    1342. dikaios from 1349;
    equitable (in character or act); by implication, innocent, holy (absolutely or relatively):--just, meet, right(-eous).

    I found a term that might describe the type of vengeance/avenging going on in Revelation and in the OT.
     
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    Isaiah 61:2
    To proclaim<7121> the year of the good pleasure<7522> of Yahweh,
    And the day of vengeance <5359> of our 'Elohim, To comfort all mourners.

    Luke 21:22
    For these are the days of vengeance<1557>,
    to fulfill<4130> all things having been written/gegrammena> <1125> (5772,)


    Revelation 1:3
    Happy/blessed the one reading/anaginwskwn <314> (5723), and the ones hearing, the Words of the Prophecy,
    and keepings in it having been written/gegrammena <1125> (5772),
    for the time is nigh-at-hand/egguV <1451>.
     
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    Luke 21:22
    For these are the days<2250> of vengeance<1557>,
    to fulfill<4130> all things having been written<1125>.

    For those wondering how I find exact form of Greek and Hebrew words, I use the ISA Interlinear. Been using it for a number of years.
    Scripture4All - Greek/Hebrew interlinear Bible software
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    Verses that use the exact form of #2250 in the NT:
    12 times just in Luke!

    Matthew [4] Mark [3] Luke [12] Acts [4] 1 each in Ephesians and Hebrews.
    None in John or Revelation

    Luke uses it in 4 verses of his Temple/Jerusalem discourses


    Matthew 24:22-37
    Mark 13:19
    Luke 19:43 21:6 21:22 23:29

    Matthew 24:
    22 And if those days<2250> were not shortened, no flesh would have been saved;
    but because of the chosen, shall those days be shortened.
    37 and as the days<2250> of Noah -- so shall be also the parousia of the Son of Man;
    Mark 13:19
    for those days<2250> shall be tribulation, such as hath not been from the beginning of the creation that God created, till now, and may not be;

    Luke 19:43

    'Because days<2250> shall come upon thee, and thine enemies shall cast around thee a rampart, and compass thee round, and press thee on every side,
    Luke 21:6
    'These things that ye behold -- days<2250> will come, in which there shall not be left a stone upon a stone, that shall not be thrown down.'
    Luke 21:22
    For these are the days<2250> of vengeance,
    to fulfill all things having been written.
    Luke 23:29
    for behold! days<2250> do come, in which they shall say,
    'Happy the barren, and wombs that did not bare and paps that did not give suck';

    These are the verses in Revelation so far that are taken just from Luke 21:22

     
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    to be continued...........
     
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    To recap.......

    Isaiah 61:2
    To proclaim<7121> the year of the good pleasure<7522> of Yahweh,
    And the day of vengeance <5359> of our 'Elohim, To comfort all mourners.
    [Luke 4 Luke 13:34 Luke 18:7 Luke 21:22 Luke 13:30-34 Revelation 6:10 Revelation 19:2]

    Luke 4:
    17 The scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him.
    Unrolling it, He found the place where it was written:
    18 'The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to evangelize<2097 to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
    19 to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor<1184>.'
    21Today this Scripture<1124 is fulfilled<4137> in your hearing.

    Luke 21:22
    For these are the days of vengeance<1557>,
    to fulfill<4130> all things having been written<1125>.
    [Isaiah 61:2]


    1557. ekdikesis from 1556;
    vindication, retribution:--(a-, re-)venge(-ance), punishment.
    Strong's Number G1557 occurs 10 times in 9 verses

    G1556 (KJV)
    1556. ekdikeo from 1558;
    to vindicate, retaliate, punish:--a (re-)venge.
    Strong's Number G1556 occurs 6 times in 6 verses

    And this all ties Luke in with Revelation, IMHO

    Luke 18:7
    “And shall God not avenge<1557> His own elect/chosen who cry out day and night to Him, though He bears long with them?
    [Revelation 6:10 Revelation 19:2]
    Matthew 23:37
    O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!
    Luke 13:34
    “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, but you were not willing!

    Revelation 19:2
    because true and just/righteous<1342> are His judgments,
    because He did judge the great Whore who did corrupt the land in Her whoredom,
    and He did avenge<1556> the blood of His bond-servants at Her Hand;


    to be continued..........

    Isaiah 61:2
    And the day of vengeance <5359> of our 'Elohim, To comfort all mourners.

    The equivalent Hebrew word for "vengeance" used in Luke 21:22 is:

    5359 naqam from 5358;
    revenge:--+ avenged, quarrel, vengeance.
    Strong's Number H5359 occurs 17 times in 17 verses


     
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    Would anyone like to give some input on this before I continue? Thanks.


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    I have posted here before, showing that the great and terrible Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath will be the next prophesied event we can expect.
    Just as you show from Isaiah 61:2b. But what we should take note of is the great blessings promised to His people after that Day.

    Isaiah 61:1-2a The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, because the Lord has anointed Me. He has sent Me to announce good news to the humble. To bind up the broken hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives and to proclaim a year of the Lords favour.....

    Isaiah 61:2b-11 and a Day of the vengeance of our God; to comfort all who mourn.
    To give them garlands instead of ashes. Gladness instead of mourners tears. They will be a righteous people, planted in His Land, to display His glory.


    Ancient buildings and ruined cities will be rebuilt. Foreigners will serve you as shepherds and farmers.

    But you, will be called priests of the Lord and the wealth of nations will be yours. Revelation 5:9-10 and Isaiah 66:21 tell us that they will be Christians.

    Because you have had shame and abuse in double measure, you will receive a double measure of wealth.

    For I, the Lord, love justice and hate wickedness. I will give My people a sure reward and make an everlasting covenant with them.

    Their children will be renowned by the nations. They will be seen as a people blessed by the Lord.

    Let us rejoice in the Lord with all our hearts. From Him has come victory and deliverance. His people robed in beauty, like a garden full of flowers.

    The Lord will make His victory and renown known to the nations.
    Reference: Revised English Bible, some verses abridged.


    Verse 1 and the first half of verse 2, were quoted by Jesus at the commencement of His ministry, then He said; Today, in your hearing, this prophecy has come true. Therefore, the remainder of this chapter, which is also, obviously prophecy as well, awaits fulfilment. The House of Judah has returned to the Land, but none of these remaining verses can be seen as being fulfilled by them.

    V 2-2nd half, God’s Day of vengeance. Isaiah 34:1-8 & Rev 6:12-17 This is the Day when Jesus carries out the judgement of God’s wrath. Psalm 110 describes it very well.
    This will be one and the same with the soon to happen, multi prophesied, judgement of fire from the sun.

    ...”to comfort all who mourn.” Zechariah 12:9-14 - is for the survivors in the Land and for all of His faithful Christian people, scattered abroad.

    V 3 To give blessings the Lord’s people, every faithful Christian and settle them into the Promised Land. “To display His glory”, His people, ’a light to the nations’. Before the Return of Jesus Christ for His Millennial reign.

    V 4 Although this great Day of Lord’s wrath will cause damage to the Land and buildings, they will be restored and rebuilt. Ezekiel 34:26-27

    V 5 Other peoples will come and help, as they will be seen as the Lords people.

    V 6 His Christian people will receive the honour of serving the Lord as priests. The wealth of the nations will come to Israel, as it did when the Israelites left Egypt.

    V 7 Amazing promise’s of restoration and recompense. Ezekiel 28:24-26

    V 8 A new covenant will be made with His people. Jeremiah 30:34

    V 9 The nations will acknowledge that God is with the new nation. Zechariah 8:20-23

    V 10-11 A prayer of praise and thanksgiving to the Lord, for His mercy and deliverance.
     
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    Why do you think that is?
     
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    Each Gospel is unique and some add events or write things that may not show up in other Gospels, and why I like to study on that.

    For example, "Noah" is not found in either Mark or John's Gospels, why?

    Mat 24:37
    and as the days of Noah -- so shall be also the presence of the Son of Man;
    Luk 17:26
    'And, as it came to pass in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of Man;

    The abomination of desolation is not found in Luke or John, why?

    Mat 24:
    15 “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’[fn] spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand),
    16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
    Mar 13:14
    “So when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,'[fn] spoken of by Daniel the prophet,[fn] standing where it ought not” (let the reader understand), “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
    Luk 21:20
    20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near.
    21 “Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her.


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    Thank you for your input Keras.........
     
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    So do you, or anyone; believe that the prophesies of Isaiah 61:2b-11, as I quoted in #14; will take place?
    If not; why not? And do not think it has already happened, as that idea simply doesn't fit.
     
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    Good questions Keras.
    I went ahead and added a poll thread......I voted fulfilled since Luke 21 is the prophecy of the destruction of 1st century Jerusalem and the Temple......

    Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized- Poll Thread

    All 3 mention the 70ad Temple, stones, stone upon stone- thrown down.......

    Only Matthew and Mark mention "buildings" #3619

    [These 3 verses in Matt and Mark are the only places in the Gospels plural "buildings" is used.]

    Matthew 24:1
    And Jesus coming out, departed from the Temple.
    And His Disciples approached Him to show to Him the buildings of the Temple.

    Mark 13:1
    And He going forth out of the Temple,
    one of His Disciples is saying to Him “Teacher! behold! what manner of stones and what manner of buildings

    Luke 21:5
    and of some saying concerning the Temple,
    that to goodly stones and votive-offerings<334> it has been adorned<2885>
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    No, Olivet Discourse is NOT about 70AD. It is about the New Testament congregation in the time of the Great Tribulation prior to Second Coming in the future. You got WRONG Jerusalem just like the Premillennialists.
     
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