Daycare provider who hanged toddler in her basement sentenced to probation

[SummerMadness]

Daycare provider who hanged toddler in her basement sentenced to probation

A former day care provider convicted of hanging a toddler has been sentenced to probation.

Nataliia Karia received 10 years probation on Monday for hanging a toddler in her daycare and running over two men with her minivan, before attempting suicide. She had faced 13 years in prison. All of the victims of the November 2016 incident survived their injuries.

 

[Hank77]

I'm glad she is restricted from unsupervised contact with minors. I hope she gets the mental health care that she needs.

Karia, in addition to her court-ordered mental health treatment and home monitoring, will live with her adult son, but cannot have unsupervised contact with her daughters — ages two, seven and 10 — or other minors.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/07/16/day-care-owner-gets-probation-for-trying-to-kill-child.html

 

[dgiharris]

I'm not sure I understand. I read the article and I didn't see any big proclamations of mental illness like schizophrenia or hearing voices or dissociation with reality etc. All I could glean was she was angry and depressed and suicidal.

I'm sorry, but she should go to jail. I don't see how it is fair or safe for her to be "on probation" monitored by people who are NOT security experts 24/7. Truth is, every child and person in her neighborhood is put at risk by her being there.

It is my opinion that if someone like her is on "probation" that the people responsible for her probation suffer the same penalty for any crime she commits while on probation. If she kills or hurts another child, they suffer the same penalty.

Honestly, I just don't understand rulings like this one.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I'm not sure I understand. I read the article and I didn't see any big proclamations of mental illness like schizophrenia or hearing voices or dissociation with reality etc. All I could glean was she was angry and depressed and suicidal.

I'm sorry, but she should go to jail. I don't see how it is fair or safe for her to be "on probation" monitored by people who are NOT security experts 24/7. Truth is, every child and person in her neighborhood is put at risk by her being there.

It is my opinion that if someone like her is on "probation" that the people responsible for her probation suffer the same penalty for any crime she commits while on probation. If she kills or hurts another child, they suffer the same penalty.

Honestly, I just don't understand rulings like this one.

Yeah it feels pretty light to me too....

That said, it's possible that mental health professionals have a more informed perspective on this than the average person. I don't pretend to understand what condition she may have.

 

[Goonie]

Yeah it feels pretty light to me too....

That said, it's possible that mental health professionals have a more informed perspective on this than the average person. I don't pretend to understand what condition she may have.

Indeed, I cannot imagine a court being so light without significant evidence of mental illness.

 

[dgiharris]

Indeed, I cannot imagine a court being so light without significant evidence of mental illness.

The Sad Truth is, judges hand down ridiculously light sentences all the time. That's part of the reason why some States have mandatory sentencing laws-- to get around certain bleeding heart judges that are susceptible to "certain" criminals when said criminal bursts out in tears in court and is "sorry".

There was a famous case a few years ago about some ubber rich kid raping a girl and then just getting probation. In any event, it is not unheard of for "some" judges to make really bad sentencing decisions. Conversely, the opposite happens as well. People who commit relatively "minor" offenses get harsh draconian sentences simply because they had the audacity to "disrespect" the judge and/or the judge just didn't like them for whatever reason.

Sadly, i just wouldn't be surprised if there is nothing more here than a judge being unduly influenced by a remorseful criminal who bursts into tears in court and proclaims sincere remorse.

I'm all for mental illness and treatment, but mental illness does NOT negate a crime nor does it magically solve the danger said person presents to society.

 

[Goonie]

The Sad Truth is, judges hand down ridiculously light sentences all the time. That's part of the reason why some States have mandatory sentencing laws-- to get around certain bleeding heart judges that are susceptible to "certain" criminals when said criminal bursts out in tears in court and is "sorry".

There was a famous case a few years ago about some ubber rich kid raping a girl and then just getting probation. In any event, it is not unheard of for "some" judges to make really bad sentencing decisions. Conversely, the opposite happens as well. People who commit relatively "minor" offenses get harsh draconian sentences simply because they had the audacity to "disrespect" the judge and/or the judge just didn't like them for whatever reason.

Sadly, i just wouldn't be surprised if there is nothing more here than a judge being unduly influenced by a remorseful criminal who bursts into tears in court and proclaims sincere remorse.

I'm all for mental illness and treatment, but mental illness does NOT negate a crime nor does it magically solve the danger said person presents to society.

And do we have evidence that such was the case in this instance? I agree judges need training and proper vetting, but assuming undue leniency has a tendency of leading to over 1% of your population being in prison.

 

[ubicaritas]

Indeed, I cannot imagine a court being so light without significant evidence of mental illness.

Psychotic depression can make people do crazy things. Think of Andrea Yates, for instance.

 

[Dave-W]

Indeed, I cannot imagine a court being so light without significant evidence of mental illness.

Have they never heard of "Guilty but mentally ill?"