Day of The Lord - Day of Jesus' Future Return

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Notice how Peter did not say people will die nor be destroyed? Revelation 6 does not mention any one dying in the 6th seal. They all saw the face of the one sitting on the throne and the Lamb and were afraid, but not dead. Revelation 9:6

6 "In those days people will seek death but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them."

Not very climatic if you cannot physically die.

The 6th Seal does point to the time of God's cup of wrath poured out upon the wicked on the day of Christ's 2nd coming:

Rev 6:14-17
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us, and hide us from the face of Him That sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of His wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

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That "great day of His wrath" is about God's cup of wrath poured out upon the wicked on the 7th Vial, and 7th Trumpet:

7th Trumpet:
Rev 11:18
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that Thou shouldest give reward unto Thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear Thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

KJV

7th Vial:
Rev 16:19-21
19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath.

20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
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And that's not even taking in account those references to the end of this world about "every island fled away, and the mountains were not found" which is written in the 6th Seal example also.
 
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It also means no separation of the goats and sheep. No separation of the wheat from the tares. In a split second all humanity will be destroyed by your interpretation. No room for judgment at all.
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I have to say it; that neither of you understand God's Word about the world to come when Jesus appears from Heaven on the "day of the Lord", and man's works are burned up.

In 1 Thess.4, what did Apostle Paul preach as to Christ's coming to gather His Church? Paul showed Jesus will gather two groups of saints on that day, the asleep saints that have already died that He brings with Him (from Heaven), and then the alive saints on earth. Paul showed those asleep saints will be resurrected first, and those us still alive will in no way precede them (to the heavenly). Those of us still alive will be caught up with them with Jesus. And Zechariah 14 shows Christ's destination when He descends from Heaven on that day. It is to the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem where He ascended to Heaven from per Acts 1.

So will the still alive saints be "caught up" (raptured) in their flesh bodies??

No! This is why what Paul taught about the resurrection in 1 Corinthians 15 goes with that 1 Thess.4 event. Paul said we shall not all 'sleep' (pointing directly to those asleep saints in 1 Thess.4). But we shall ALL be changed, at the twinkling of an eye. Changed to what?

Changed to the "spiritual body" type that he taught in that 1 Cor.15 chapter. He was actually also teaching that change will happen upon ALL PEOPLES still alive on earth on that "day of the Lord" when Jesus returns. Paul when he spoke of death being swallowed up in victory, he was pulling directly from the Isaiah 25 Scripture which hints about God removing the veil that is cast over all peoples on that day. The world to come is not going to be a world where we have new flesh bodies. We all will be in a "spiritual body" type, including those still subject to the "second death" of perishing in the lake of fire.

This is WHY... God's consuming fire burning man's works off the surface of the earth is not going to literally destroy one's spirit/soul. Those still alive on that day will simply put off their flesh body, not die, but their flesh will suddenly be changed, and their spiritual body will be manifest. This is why the "second death" is the death to be worried about, because it means death to both spirit and soul.
 
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Brethren in Christ Jesus, when we keep to God's Word as written, then understanding becomes simple as we stay with it, and not with listening to all sorts of traditions of men. Understanding the timing of the "day of the Lord" when Jesus returns is simple when we do this keeping to what is written. (In my writings I refer to the KJV Bible).

Apostle Peter declared the "day of the Lord" as a final event of destruction on the last day of this present world earth age. In 2 Peter 3, he was covering the idea of 3 earth ages, the "world that then was", which was destroyed by water, and then "the heavens and the earth, which are now", which he said is preserved for destruction by fire (2 Peter 3:5-7).

Peter proclaimed that day of destruction on the final day of this present world as the "day of the Lord" timing:

2 Peter 3:10-12
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
KJV



Apostle Paul also proclaimed that "day of the Lord" event coupled with a destruction upon the earth...

1 Thess 5:1-4
5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

3 For when they shall say, "Peace and safety"; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
KJV



And again at the end of Hebrews 12, Apostle Paul proclaimed that day of destruction upon the earth coupled with God's consuming fire...

Heb 12:25-29
25 See that ye refuse not Him That speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused Him That spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from Him That speaketh from heaven:
26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now He hath promised, saying, "Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven."
27 And this word, 'Yet once more', signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
29 For our God is a consuming fire.
KJV


Who didn't know about that coming shaking God will do on that day also? If you don't know about it, then why not, because we were well told about it in Isaiah 2 about that coming great shaking on the future "day of the Lord"? This not taught in your Church you say? What else have you missed from not studying God's Word for yourself? And make no mistake. This Hebrews 12 passage is about that same event of the "day of the Lord" that Peter and Paul were talking about.

Did you know our Lord Jesus pointed to His coming on that "day of the Lord"? In Revelation 16:15 He did, when He forewarned us that He comes "as a thief", and to keep our righteous garments lest we appear naked and in shame (spiritually). The next event described there is the battle of Armageddon on the 7th Vial. That "as a thief" idea He taught in His Olivet discourse in relation to His coming for His Church...

Matt 24:42-44
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
KJV


That is also the "as a thief in the night" idea that Apostles Paul and Peter were preaching in the above Scripture I posted about the "day of the Lord".

But places like below, in the Old Testament Book of Isaiah is where our Lord Jesus had already foretold about His coming on that "day of the Lord" to end this present world...

Isa 2:10-21
10 Enter into the rock, and hide thee in the dust, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of His majesty.
11 The lofty looks of man shall be humbled, and the haughtiness of men shall be bowed down, and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.

12 For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:
13 And upon all the cedars of Lebanon, that are high and lifted up, and upon all the oaks of Bashan,
14 And upon all the high mountains, and upon all the hills that are lifted up,
15 And upon every high tower, and upon every fenced wall,
16 And upon all the ships of Tarshish, and upon all pleasant pictures.
17 And the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.

18 And the idols He shall utterly abolish.
19 And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of His majesty, when He ariseth to shake terribly the earth.

20 In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made each one for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats;
21 To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of His majesty, when He ariseth to shake terribly the earth.
KJV


So make no mistake, the "day of the Lord" event is the day of Christ's return to gather His Church, and reign over all nations on earth. It is when He will literally rule over all His enemies with His elect saints. That day has not arrived yet, because it will be when He will subdue 'all' the wicked on this earth.

This is the end. No one survives this.
 
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Brethren in Christ Jesus, when we keep to God's Word as written, then understanding becomes simple as we stay with it, and not with listening to all sorts of traditions of men. Understanding the timing of the "day of the Lord" when Jesus returns is simple when we do this keeping to what is written. (In my writings I refer to the KJV Bible).

Apostle Peter declared the "day of the Lord" as a final event of destruction on the last day of this present world earth age. In 2 Peter 3, he was covering the idea of 3 earth ages, the "world that then was", which was destroyed by water, and then "the heavens and the earth, which are now", which he said is preserved for destruction by fire (2 Peter 3:5-7).

Peter proclaimed that day of destruction on the final day of this present world as the "day of the Lord" timing:

2 Peter 3:10-12
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
KJV



Apostle Paul also proclaimed that "day of the Lord" event coupled with a destruction upon the earth...

1 Thess 5:1-4
5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

3 For when they shall say, "Peace and safety"; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
KJV



And again at the end of Hebrews 12, Apostle Paul proclaimed that day of destruction upon the earth coupled with God's consuming fire...

Heb 12:25-29
25 See that ye refuse not Him That speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused Him That spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from Him That speaketh from heaven:
26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now He hath promised, saying, "Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven."
27 And this word, 'Yet once more', signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
29 For our God is a consuming fire.
KJV


Who didn't know about that coming shaking God will do on that day also? If you don't know about it, then why not, because we were well told about it in Isaiah 2 about that coming great shaking on the future "day of the Lord"? This not taught in your Church you say? What else have you missed from not studying God's Word for yourself? And make no mistake. This Hebrews 12 passage is about that same event of the "day of the Lord" that Peter and Paul were talking about.

Did you know our Lord Jesus pointed to His coming on that "day of the Lord"? In Revelation 16:15 He did, when He forewarned us that He comes "as a thief", and to keep our righteous garments lest we appear naked and in shame (spiritually). The next event described there is the battle of Armageddon on the 7th Vial. That "as a thief" idea He taught in His Olivet discourse in relation to His coming for His Church...

Matt 24:42-44
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
KJV


That is also the "as a thief in the night" idea that Apostles Paul and Peter were preaching in the above Scripture I posted about the "day of the Lord".

But places like below, in the Old Testament Book of Isaiah is where our Lord Jesus had already foretold about His coming on that "day of the Lord" to end this present world...

Isa 2:10-21
10 Enter into the rock, and hide thee in the dust, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of His majesty.
11 The lofty looks of man shall be humbled, and the haughtiness of men shall be bowed down, and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.

12 For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:
13 And upon all the cedars of Lebanon, that are high and lifted up, and upon all the oaks of Bashan,
14 And upon all the high mountains, and upon all the hills that are lifted up,
15 And upon every high tower, and upon every fenced wall,
16 And upon all the ships of Tarshish, and upon all pleasant pictures.
17 And the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.

18 And the idols He shall utterly abolish.
19 And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of His majesty, when He ariseth to shake terribly the earth.

20 In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made each one for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats;
21 To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of His majesty, when He ariseth to shake terribly the earth.
KJV


So make no mistake, the "day of the Lord" event is the day of Christ's return to gather His Church, and reign over all nations on earth. It is when He will literally rule over all His enemies with His elect saints. That day has not arrived yet, because it will be when He will subdue 'all' the wicked on this earth.

I believe it is more along the lines of the ending of the Church Age or the age when they had priesthood’s and sacrifices of animals.

The reason I say this is Jesus said heaven and earth will pass away meaning one day we ourselves individually will die. Then he says but my words will never pass away, so his words will keep going on even after our life as past.


I was reading until I got to the destruction of the earth, it was the destruction of all material religion of the old covenant into a new conversant which is lead by God through the spirit.

Earth will always be around and so will the words of Christ leaving and open door policy for people to be able to enter his kingdom and for it to be everlasting.
 
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I believe it is more along the lines of the ending of the Church Age or the age when they had priesthood’s and sacrifices of animals.

The reason I say this is Jesus said heaven and earth will pass away meaning one day we ourselves individually will die. Then he says but my words will never pass away, so his words will keep going on even after our life as past.


I was reading until I got to the destruction of the earth, it was the destruction of all material religion of the old covenant into a new conversant which is lead by God through the spirit.

Earth will always be around and so will the words of Christ leaving and open door policy for people to be able to enter his kingdom and for it to be everlasting.

Not so. It is talking about the visible literal creation.

Also, the day of salvation comes to an end when Jesus comes. The second coming brings a close to the day of salvation. Repeated Scripture shows that now is the only day of salvation. After showing us the destruction of this earth, the works that are in it, the heavens, the elements when Jesus comes, and after describing the longsuffering of God in the days of Noah before the destruction of all the wicked, Peter responds to the mockers scoffing at the apparent delay in Christ's return: “the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation” (2 Peter 3:15). See also Romans 2:4. He was reaffirming that salvation is limited to this side of the second coming. A sign of the end is that the Gospel must “be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come" (Matthew 24:14). The second coming brings the curtain down on the great commission. Once the ark door closes it is too late (Matthew 25:10-13 & Matt 28:19-20).
 
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I believe it is more along the lines of the ending of the Church Age or the age when they had priesthood’s and sacrifices of animals.

The reason I say this is Jesus said heaven and earth will pass away meaning one day we ourselves individually will die. Then he says but my words will never pass away, so his words will keep going on even after our life as past.


I was reading until I got to the destruction of the earth, it was the destruction of all material religion of the old covenant into a new conversant which is lead by God through the spirit.

Earth will always be around and so will the words of Christ leaving and open door policy for people to be able to enter his kingdom and for it to be everlasting.

I wish it was already over like you wrongly assume, but that day of the Lord has not come yet. I suggest you keep studying in God's Word with understanding, and be careful of men's doctrines, which include popular commentaries.

The day is soon coming when man's works will literally... be burned off this earth, just as Peter says in 2 Peter 3. God destroyed the old world with a world-wide flood. This next time He will use His fire, for He is a consuming fire.
 
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You didn't answer my question. You agree with me that 2 Peter 3:10-12 will occur on the day Christ returns. Great. Most premils that I've talked to don't believe that passage will occur on the day He returns. You know why that is? Because it clearly indicates that the entire earth will be burned up on that day. Which means there can't possibly be any mortal survivors when Christ returns on that day. No mortal survivors means no earthly millennial kingdom.

As for Matthew 13, here is something Jesus said there:

40 As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Whoever has ears, let them hear.

What is described here will occur "at the end of the age". Would you agree that Jesus will return at the end of the age (Matthew 24:3)? If so, please notice one key thing from this passage. When He returns at the end of the age, "the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father". Notice it calls the kingdom "the kingdom of their Father" and not the kingdom of the Son. What is the significance of that? Let's look at another passage that you referenced.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

So, this teaches that Christ was the first (firstfruits) to rise from the dead unto bodily immortality and then at His coming those who belong to Him will rise unto bodily immortality as well. Remember that it says it would be at the end of the age that Jesus will come (Matt 24:3) and at that time the righteous would be in the kingdom of their Father. It says that because when Jesus comes that is when the end will come (end of the age, end of death, end of all earthly dominion, authority and power) and He then hands over or delivers the kingdom to God the Father. Using scripture to interpret scripture by comparing this passage to Matthew 13:43, we can conclude that "the end" does not come 1000+ years after Christ comes, but it comes when He returns.

Clearly, He will destroy "all dominion, authority and power" when He comes because the entire earth will be burned up on that day.

One last thing we should notice from 1 Corinthians 15:22-28 is that the last enemy to be destroyed or defeated is death. When will that occur? Paul showed that later in the same chapter.

1 Corinthians 15:50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.

I'm sure you would agree that the above passage speaks of what will happen on the day Christ returns at the last trumpet. Notice that on that day death will be "swallowed up in victory". That is clearly a reference back to verse 26 where it says the last enemy to be defeated is death. Clearly, death will be defeated on the day Christ returns because it will be "swallowed up in victory".

By the way, 1 Cor 15:54 is referring to the fulfillment of this passage:

Isaiah 25:8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the Lord hath spoken it.

Here is another passage that shows the fulfillment of that verse:

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Using scripture to interpret scripture we can safely conclude that when Christ returns at the last trumpet, death will be swallowed up in victory, fulfilling 1 Cor 15:26 that says the last enemy to be defeated is death, and then "there shall be no more death" on the new earth.

You left out the 2nd resurrection (of the lost) and that happens 1,000 years after the 1st resurrection.

Revelation 20

Satan Bound

1Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven with the key to the Abyss, holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3And he threw him into the Abyss, shut it, and sealed it over him, so that he could not deceive the nations until the thousand years were complete.

After that, he must be released for a brief period of time.4Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands.

And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.5The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years were complete. This is the first resurrection.

6Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection! The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him for a thousand years.
 
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Peter is not saying there that the day of the Lord is equal to a thousand years. You need to read the verse which follows that to see the context.

2 Peter 3:8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

The reason Peter pointed out that a day is like a thousand years and vice versa to God is not to show the duration of the day of the Lord, but rather to show that "the Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness". To us as humans, it seems like Jesus is taking a long time to return. But, to God, it hasn't been a long time at all. It's not even the case that it's just been 2 days to Him. That isn't Peter's point. To God it's as if no time has passed at all. Peter is merely pointing out that time is not a factor for God. You do know that God exists outside of the realm of time and space, right?

So, what Peter is saying in 2 Peter 3:8-9 is that while it seems to be a long time for Jesus to return to us, it hasn't been long at all to God and the reason He is waiting so long (to us) is that He doesn't want anyone to perish but instead wants everyone to repent. So, Jesus will not return until the right time when God has determined that everyone has gotten the opportunity to repent first.
I am pretty sure they were not ignorant of God's patience. God has been patient with humans for 5990 years. There are other things that one misses without this key verse. This is not the only Lord's Day.
 
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You left out the 2nd resurrection (of the lost) and that happens 1,000 years after the 1st resurrection.
No, it does not. Jesus taught that the saved will be resurrected in the same hour or time that the lost are resurrected.

John 5:28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.

Jesus did not even hint at there being a long time period between the saved and the lost being resurrected. What follows the resurrection? The judgment. Again, Jesus indicated that all will be judged at the same time as well at His second coming.

Matthew 25:31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’ 37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’ 40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ 44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ 45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

These passages are very clear. We must interpret Revelation 20 in light of more clear passages like John 5:28-29, Matthew 25:31-46, 2 Peter 3:3-13 and others. We have to interpret scripture with scripture.

Scripture indicates that Christ's resurrection was the first resurrection.

Acts 26:23 that the Messiah would suffer and, as the first to rise from the dead, would bring the message of light to his own people and to the Gentiles.”

1 Cor 15:20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.

Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, 6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father—to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.

This means that having part in the first resurrection has to do with having part in Christ's resurrection. Did you know that you and I and every other believer have had part in His resurrection?

Romans 6:3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life. 5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin— 7 because anyone who has died has been set free from sin. 8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God. 11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus.

Notice what it says in verse 6. It says those who share in the first resurrection are priests of God and of Christ. Did you know that we already are priests of God and of Christ?

Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, 6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father—to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.

1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.

Also, it talks about Christ reigning. Did you know that He is reigning right now and that we are in His kingdom now?

Ephesians 1:19 and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is the same as the mighty strength 20 he exerted when he raised Christ from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, 21 far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is invoked, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. 22 And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, 23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.

Colossians 1:12 and giving joyful thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of his holy people in the kingdom of light. 13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
 
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The earth is flat right now, but not a topic for this thread.
I hope everyone can read this. This tells us all we need to know about how much discernment you have.

Einstein claimed the length, the depth, and the height (of God's Love) is reality bound in the 4th dimension of time. The 3 dimensional shape of the length, the depth, and the height is a cube. New Jerusalem is a miniature version of reality. This cube, we call reality, is in 3 layers. Heaven, earth, and under the earth. All points found in Scripture. No, I will never convince any one, really. All we know, will be destroyed and reality revealed in the 6th seal.
So, you get your understanding of scripture from Einstein, do you?
 
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So how can the time of "great tribulation" just be starting on that "day of the Lord"? Your theory from the Pretribulationalists defies common sense in God's Word. And that's not to mention even Apostle Peter's witness in 2 Peter 3:10-12 about the burning up of man's works off this earth on that "day of the Lord"!
The transgression of desolation - an act, a transgression - the act will be the Antichrist going into the temple sitting claiming to be God. Begins the Day of the Lord.

The abomination of desolation - a thing setup - will be a little later after the transgression of desolation, and will be the statue image of the beast that the false prophet has made and placed on the wings of the temple, i.e. the temple courtyard, which everyone will be required to worship or die. Which is why the Jews in Judea are told to flee to the mountains to save their lives as soon as they see the abomination of desolation. Begins the Great Tribulation.
 
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I wish it was already over like you wrongly assume, but that day of the Lord has not come yet. I suggest you keep studying in God's Word with understanding, and be careful of men's doctrines, which include popular commentaries.

The day is soon coming when man's works will literally... be burned off this earth, just as Peter says in 2 Peter 3. God destroyed the old world with a world-wide flood. This next time He will use His fire, for He is a consuming fire.

Death is most certainly coming. A co-worker today had mentioned a person by the name of Maria passed away, leaving behind two children.

(the day before yesterday) a person who meant a lot to the coworker.

It sucks, but the day of the Lord came like a thief in the night, and sometimes we aren’t prepared for that type of news.

Though the memories and light of people can and will remain within the hearts of the people who loved her.

Also when it comes to death we can remember that God must have needed that person in the after instead of the now.
 
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I have to say it; that neither of you understand God's Word about the world to come when Jesus appears from Heaven on the "day of the Lord", and man's works are burned up.
It doesn't say that just man's works will be burned up.

2 Peter 3:Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

Do you know what "by the same word" means? Apparently not. It means in the same sense. So, what Peter was saying is just as the entire earth was flooded with water in Noah's day, killing all unbelievers on the earth, the same thing will happen when Christ returns, only this time by fire. That is clearly what this passage is saying, so why do you deny that? No one can survive the entire earth surface being burned up.

In 1 Thess.4, what did Apostle Paul preach as to Christ's coming to gather His Church? Paul showed Jesus will gather two groups of saints on that day, the asleep saints that have already died that He brings with Him (from Heaven), and then the alive saints on earth. Paul showed those asleep saints will be resurrected first, and those us still alive will in no way precede them (to the heavenly). Those of us still alive will be caught up with them with Jesus.
I hope you were just talking to Timtofly with this statement because this is something that is obvious and the rest of us all know this already.

And Zechariah 14 shows Christ's destination when He descends from Heaven on that day. It is to the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem where He ascended to Heaven from per Acts 1.
That is not what Acts 1 says at all.

Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; 11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

The two angels did not say where He is coming back to, they were telling them the manner or way that He will come from heaven, which is the same way he ascended to heaven: visibly and bodily. That's it. There's no basis for reading any more into what they said.
 
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Brethren in Christ Jesus, when we keep to God's Word as written, then understanding becomes simple as we stay with it, and not with listening to all sorts of traditions of men. Understanding the timing of the "day of the Lord" when Jesus returns is simple when we do this keeping to what is written. (In my writings I refer to the KJV Bible).

Apostle Peter declared the "day of the Lord" as a final event of destruction on the last day of this present world earth age. In 2 Peter 3, he was covering the idea of 3 earth ages, the "world that then was", which was destroyed by water, and then "the heavens and the earth, which are now", which he said is preserved for destruction by fire (2 Peter 3:5-7).

Peter proclaimed that day of destruction on the final day of this present world as the "day of the Lord" timing:

2 Peter 3:10-12
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
KJV



Apostle Paul also proclaimed that "day of the Lord" event coupled with a destruction upon the earth...

1 Thess 5:1-4
5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

3 For when they shall say, "Peace and safety"; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
KJV



And again at the end of Hebrews 12, Apostle Paul proclaimed that day of destruction upon the earth coupled with God's consuming fire...

Heb 12:25-29
25 See that ye refuse not Him That speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused Him That spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from Him That speaketh from heaven:
26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now He hath promised, saying, "Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven."
27 And this word, 'Yet once more', signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
29 For our God is a consuming fire.
KJV


Who didn't know about that coming shaking God will do on that day also? If you don't know about it, then why not, because we were well told about it in Isaiah 2 about that coming great shaking on the future "day of the Lord"? This not taught in your Church you say? What else have you missed from not studying God's Word for yourself? And make no mistake. This Hebrews 12 passage is about that same event of the "day of the Lord" that Peter and Paul were talking about.

Did you know our Lord Jesus pointed to His coming on that "day of the Lord"? In Revelation 16:15 He did, when He forewarned us that He comes "as a thief", and to keep our righteous garments lest we appear naked and in shame (spiritually). The next event described there is the battle of Armageddon on the 7th Vial. That "as a thief" idea He taught in His Olivet discourse in relation to His coming for His Church...

Matt 24:42-44
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
KJV


That is also the "as a thief in the night" idea that Apostles Paul and Peter were preaching in the above Scripture I posted about the "day of the Lord".

But places like below, in the Old Testament Book of Isaiah is where our Lord Jesus had already foretold about His coming on that "day of the Lord" to end this present world...

Isa 2:10-21
10 Enter into the rock, and hide thee in the dust, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of His majesty.
11 The lofty looks of man shall be humbled, and the haughtiness of men shall be bowed down, and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.

12 For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:
13 And upon all the cedars of Lebanon, that are high and lifted up, and upon all the oaks of Bashan,
14 And upon all the high mountains, and upon all the hills that are lifted up,
15 And upon every high tower, and upon every fenced wall,
16 And upon all the ships of Tarshish, and upon all pleasant pictures.
17 And the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.

18 And the idols He shall utterly abolish.
19 And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of His majesty, when He ariseth to shake terribly the earth.

20 In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made each one for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats;
21 To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of His majesty, when He ariseth to shake terribly the earth.
KJV


So make no mistake, the "day of the Lord" event is the day of Christ's return to gather His Church, and reign over all nations on earth. It is when He will literally rule over all His enemies with His elect saints. That day has not arrived yet, because it will be when He will subdue 'all' the wicked on this earth.

The beast will reign for 42 months (Rev 13:5) and then Jesus returns. So no surprise when Jesus returns. We can count the days.

Maybe the "day of the lord" is not about the return of Jesus.

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Brethren in Christ Jesus, when we keep to God's Word as written, then understanding becomes simple as we stay with it, and not with listening to all sorts of traditions of men. Understanding the timing of the "day of the Lord" when Jesus returns is simple when we do this keeping to what is written. (In my writings I refer to the KJV Bible).

Apostle Peter declared the "day of the Lord" as a final event of destruction on the last day of this present world earth age. In 2 Peter 3, he was covering the idea of 3 earth ages, the "world that then was", which was destroyed by water, and then "the heavens and the earth, which are now", which he said is preserved for destruction by fire (2 Peter 3:5-7).

Peter proclaimed that day of destruction on the final day of this present world as the "day of the Lord" timing:

2 Peter 3:10-12
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
KJV



Apostle Paul also proclaimed that "day of the Lord" event coupled with a destruction upon the earth...

1 Thess 5:1-4
5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

3 For when they shall say, "Peace and safety"; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
KJV



And again at the end of Hebrews 12, Apostle Paul proclaimed that day of destruction upon the earth coupled with God's consuming fire...

Heb 12:25-29
25 See that ye refuse not Him That speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused Him That spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from Him That speaketh from heaven:
26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now He hath promised, saying, "Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven."
27 And this word, 'Yet once more', signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
29 For our God is a consuming fire.
KJV


Who didn't know about that coming shaking God will do on that day also? If you don't know about it, then why not, because we were well told about it in Isaiah 2 about that coming great shaking on the future "day of the Lord"? This not taught in your Church you say? What else have you missed from not studying God's Word for yourself? And make no mistake. This Hebrews 12 passage is about that same event of the "day of the Lord" that Peter and Paul were talking about.

Did you know our Lord Jesus pointed to His coming on that "day of the Lord"? In Revelation 16:15 He did, when He forewarned us that He comes "as a thief", and to keep our righteous garments lest we appear naked and in shame (spiritually). The next event described there is the battle of Armageddon on the 7th Vial. That "as a thief" idea He taught in His Olivet discourse in relation to His coming for His Church...

Matt 24:42-44
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
KJV


That is also the "as a thief in the night" idea that Apostles Paul and Peter were preaching in the above Scripture I posted about the "day of the Lord".

But places like below, in the Old Testament Book of Isaiah is where our Lord Jesus had already foretold about His coming on that "day of the Lord" to end this present world...

Isa 2:10-21
10 Enter into the rock, and hide thee in the dust, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of His majesty.
11 The lofty looks of man shall be humbled, and the haughtiness of men shall be bowed down, and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.

12 For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:
13 And upon all the cedars of Lebanon, that are high and lifted up, and upon all the oaks of Bashan,
14 And upon all the high mountains, and upon all the hills that are lifted up,
15 And upon every high tower, and upon every fenced wall,
16 And upon all the ships of Tarshish, and upon all pleasant pictures.
17 And the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.

18 And the idols He shall utterly abolish.
19 And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of His majesty, when He ariseth to shake terribly the earth.

20 In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made each one for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats;
21 To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of His majesty, when He ariseth to shake terribly the earth.
KJV


So make no mistake, the "day of the Lord" event is the day of Christ's return to gather His Church, and reign over all nations on earth. It is when He will literally rule over all His enemies with His elect saints. That day has not arrived yet, because it will be when He will subdue 'all' the wicked on this earth.
Christ will appear a second time to those who look for Him. The Word of God is Spiritual. Seek and ye shall find.
Heb.9
  1. [28] So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
 
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The beast will reign for 42 months (Rev 13:5) and then Jesus returns. So no surprise when Jesus returns. We can count the days.
No, sorry. That is impossible as Jesus said no one knows the day or hour of His coming (Matt 24:36, Matt 25:13). That is why Paul said "about times and dates we do not need to write to you" because he knew that no one knows the day or hour when Christ will return because He will return like a thief in the night when no one expects it.
 
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Death is most certainly coming. A co-worker today had mentioned a person by the name of Maria passed away, leaving behind two children.

(the day before yesterday) a person who meant a lot to the coworker.

It sucks, but the day of the Lord came like a thief in the night, and sometimes we aren’t prepared for that type of news.

Though the memories and light of people can and will remain within the hearts of the people who loved her.

Also when it comes to death we can remember that God must have needed that person in the after instead of the now.

Flesh death during this present time is not what God's Word shows the "day of the Lord" is about. And the New Testament Scriptures declare that day of the Lord to be the day of Christ Jesus' return back to this earth. That is what I covered in my original post (OP).
 
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The beast will reign for 42 months (Rev 13:5) and then Jesus returns. So no surprise when Jesus returns. We can count the days.

Maybe the "day of the lord" is not about the return of Jesus.

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But that "day of the Lord" is about Jesus' return.

In 2 Thessalonians 2, the "day of Christ" is actually the "day of the Lord" phrase, because the KJV "Christ" there is actually the Greek word 'kurios' which means 'lord':

2 Thess 2:1-2
2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ (kurios-2962) is at hand.

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Flesh death during this present time is not what God's Word shows the "day of the Lord" is about. And the New Testament Scriptures declare that day of the Lord to be the day of Christ Jesus' return back to this earth. That is what I covered in my original post (OP).
oh I’m sorry about that I thought death and going to the lord was the same thing I’m mistaken
 
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Christ will appear a second time to those who look for Him. The Word of God is Spiritual. Seek and ye shall find.
Heb.9
  1. [28] So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Just in case, since some abuse that Hebrews 9:28 Scripture to wrongly point to a rapture prior to the tribulation, there is only one more coming (Greek parousia) of our Lord Jesus Christ, and it will be after the tribulation to end this present world, on the "day of the Lord". That timing specifically is what my OP here is about, that "day of the Lord" timing per God's Word.

This is why He showed us in Revelation 1:7 through His servant John that every eye shall see His coming in the clouds, even those who pierced Him...

Rev 1:5-7
5 And from Jesus Christ, Who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto Him That loved us, and washed us from our sins in His own blood,
6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and His Father; to Him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
7 Behold, He cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see Him, and they also which pierced Him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

KJV

So Christ's coming, His only time of return, will be seen also... by the wicked on earth. It will NOT be some secret rapture, an idea dreamed up by those abuse that "to those who look for Him" phrase.
 
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