David Horowitz: The Left Hates Christianity — and America

[Petros2015]

I have actually been accused of being an Antifa agent who just came into the church to destroy it from the inside. No joke.

It might have been the ski-mask

 

[FireDragon76]

How many within that specific demographic do you know whom don't harbor ill-will towards Christianity?

It's understandable considering the public face of Christianity in the US is so often shrill, angry, entitled, arrogant, and uninformed about the world. Sort of like the guy we have in the Oval Office right now.

 

[seeking.IAM]

Horowitz spouts nonsense generalization. There is a Christian Left. And there are liberals that love America, but have a different vision for it than some on the right, apparently Horowitz included. Drivel that tries to divide the Body of Christ serves no useful purpose.

 

[FireDragon76]

Horowitz spouts nonsense generalization. There is a Christian Left. And there are liberals that love America, but have a different vision for it than some on the right, apparently Horowitz included. Drivel that tries to divide the Body of Christ serves no useful purpose.

It's also noteworthy that Horowitz is not a Christian. The sort of "religion" he is appealing to is shallow civil religion and civil piety that has nothing to do with Jesus Christ.

 

[hedrick]

"Send to"... Must be an American thing. Where I come from, parents don't "send" their kids to universities; their adult children choose which universities they would like to attend and, if they meet the eligibility requirements, that's where they go.

Yes, it's an American thing. Remember, we don't fund health care or higher education. Parents bear the primary responsibility for paying for college, with various kinds of aid and loans to supplement it. Kids aren't really independent until they've graduated from college. And if they can't get a job that lets them get their own housing, they may be dependent even after that.

 

[archer75]

Yes, it's an American thing. Remember, we don't fund health care or higher education. Parents bear the primary responsibility for paying for college, with various kinds of aid and loans to supplement it. Kids aren't really independent until they've graduated from college. And if they can't get a job that lets them get their own housing, they may be dependent even after that.

The whole thing is a monstrous parody of education. And I should know.

 

[FireDragon76]

Yes, it's an American thing. Remember, we don't fund health care or higher education. Parents bear the primary responsibility for paying for college, with various kinds of aid and loans to supplement it. Kids aren't really independent until they've graduated from college. And if they can't get a job that lets them get their own housing, they may be dependent even after that.

On the other hand, our system isn't always meritocratic. Money can buy access in some cases.

In Europe or other parts of the world people only go to university if they meet eligibility and aptitude requirements. And lots of people in Europe can get a decent income without university education, whereas this is harder to do in the US.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Yes, it's an American thing. Remember, we don't fund health care or higher education. Parents bear the primary responsibility for paying for college, with various kinds of aid and loans to supplement it. Kids aren't really independent until they've graduated from college. And if they can't get a job that lets them get their own housing, they may be dependent even after that.

Sounds backwards. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Hank77]

If I had to choose a side that I felt was more christian in nature I'd pick the right.

This is a serious question and I have no ulterior motive in asking, neither will I criticize you for your views. That's a promise.

What to you see as more Christian about a right leaning Christian compared to a left leaning Christian?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Sounds backwards. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Speaking from a somewhat "purplish" perspective, I'd say that it's probably more appropriate to cite "America" as being a collection of ideological inversions, all vying with each other for the coveted spot of political top-dog.

...but I guess a collection of competing inversions beats having a singular political perversion, like they do in China and North Korea.

 

[Silverback]

This is a serious question and I have no ulterior motive in asking, neither will I criticize you for your views. That's a promise.

What to you see as more Christian about a right leaning Christian compared to a left leaning Christian?

I'll chime in, let's see, the left:

-Bible is not infallible
-Pro abortion on demand
-Supports gay marriage
-Supports the prosperity Gospel
-Supports big government
-Open to socialism
-SOME, deny essential biblical truths, such as the virgin birth, bodily resurrection, second comming, and final judgement.

There are other issues as well, and there are those on right that may believe in these points as well.

 

[grasping the after wind]

"Send to"... Must be an American thing. Where I come from, parents don't "send" their kids to universities; their adult children choose which universities they would like to attend and, if they meet the eligibility requirements, that's where they go.

In the United States one officially becomes an adult at the age of 26 according to the ACA. How is college paid for where you come from? Whoever pays for it is the party sending the person being indoctrinated. So if one is taking out a college loan one is being sent by the bank or loan institution in exchange for profit , if one 's parents are footing the bill they are sending their child( not yet 26 and still sponging of the parents) in often vain hopes of their child getting an actual education, if the government is paying, then all the taxpayers are sending the children. Sometimes, and this is extremely rare, a student earns the money to go to college but college tuition being so extremely costly, a student earning enough money to pay for it would be making a poor financial decision.

 

[RDKirk]

If I had to choose a side that I felt was more christian in nature I'd pick the right. And I know this will be replied with "Well the right does <this>, <this> and <this> and its not christian!" but as I said I am picking the more christian side. Not the "perfect" side.

The opening post was relatively accurate. Most of the left seem set on removing God from anything. Making sure people who come illegally can stay, forcing people to accept/conform to certain rights of certain people...etc.

The right isn't perfect but its a far better choice. Though I technically have no political affiliation at all anymore. Especially as a christian because christians now go nuts when you pick a side. I see the wrong doing on both sides.

I have no problem with removing "God" from everything that isn't really "God."

Christianity for the right wing is nothing but a gang sign for a particular way of life that they cherish--but it's a way of life that has always marginalized other groups of people who are also Christians.

 

[FireDragon76]

Speaking from a somewhat "purplish" perspective, I'd say that it's probably more appropriate to cite "America" as being a collection of ideological inversions, all vying with each other for the coveted spot of political top-dog.

America really had more consensus before the rise of evangelicalism as a political force in the US, which did not happen until the late 70's. The injection of religious extremism into politics finally resulted in the normalization of political extremism as well.

 

[Silverback]

In the United States one officially becomes an adult at the age of 26 according to the ACA. How is college paid for where you come from? Whoever pays for it is the party sending the person being indoctrinated. So if one is taking out a college loan one is being sent by the bank or loan institution in exchange for profit , if one 's parents are footing the bill they are sending their child( not yet 26 and still sponging of the parents) in often vain hopes of their child getting an actual education, if the government is paying, then all the taxpayers are sending the children. Sometimes, and this is extremely rare, a student earns the money to go to college but college tuition being so extremely costly a student earning with enough money to pay for it would make actually paying for it a poor financial decision.

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[FireDragon76]

The "intersectional identitarians" are an offshoot of Liberal culture, not the Left.

It's mostly just a bogieman to tarnish academia, especially Critical Theory and the humanities (no surprise as extreme right wing ideologies always attack universities and "decadence" in the humanities and arts). And the Right has shown it is capable of playing identity politics as well.

 

[grasping the after wind]

It's mostly just a bogieman to tarnish academia, especially Critical Theory and the humanities (no surprise as extreme right wing ideologies always attack universities and "decadence" in the humanities and arts). And the Right has shown it is capable of playing identity politics as well.

The labels of right and left often confuse the points being made. Identity politics,no matter what part of the political spectrum engages in it, never results in anything beneficial. It is simply a dishonest
way of avoiding reasoned debate about an issue. If the person opposing you politically can be made to be seen as belonging to an inferior group, and enough people will buy into the claim that there are inferior and superior groups , even if those people would not admit that is what they actually believe, then one can simply discount any argument of that political opponent as being invalid because of the source making the argument rather than having to deal with the actual merits of the argument itself.

 

[NothingIsImpossible]

I have no problem with removing "God" from everything that isn't really "God."

Christianity for the right wing is nothing but a gang sign for a particular way of life that they cherish--but it's a way of life that has always marginalized other groups of people who are also Christians.

The fact you worded it as the rights gang sign shows how much damage politics has done to christians. Instead of being one group, we now list each other as separate groups based on politics and bash each other.

 

[FireDragon76]

As @Archaeopteryx has pointed out, some of that hostility is deserved, or at least, understandable. I don't see identity politics as dishonest, but communicating on a different level, in this case, an emotional level embedded in human relationships. Because the Right in this country doesn't exactly respond to reasoned debates anyways (and appealing to reason is just another way to try to silence people with legitimate grievances, as a result).

 

[grasping the after wind]

As @Archaeopteryx has pointed out, some of that hostility is deserved, or at least, understandable. I don't see it as dishonest, but communicating on a different level, in this case, an emotional level. Because the Right in this country doesn't exactly respond to reasoned debates anyways. This has been the case increasingly since evangelicals became a potent force in politics.

Perhaps if the left tried to have a reasoned debate one time they might get a response from the right? Calling them names really doesn't qualify as a reasoned debate.