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yeah good stuff .and @Alithis
Please read this carefully on the two different types of sin that the apostles are speaking of. It will help. This explains why a Christian cannot sin according to 1 John 3:9 that has caused so much confusion.
In John 3:1-10 (vs. 4) John said what kind of sin it is. LAWLESSNESS. Only a person walking in darkness commits lawlessness. Matthew 7:23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
I always insert "willful," because it is of the will and in full knowledge. It could also be called lawless, presumptuous, or tempting God. It is with our knowledge of sin. This should give us pause: James 4:17 Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin.
Now check out Leviticus 5:15. Unintentional sin is called a TRESPASS (ring any bells) (We will commit trespasses, also called debts in some translations, and is included in the Lord's Prayer. But both are unintentional sin. “If a person commits a trespass, and sins unintentionally in regard to the holy things of the Lord, then he shall bring to the Lord as his trespass offering..."
1 John 1:7 talks about a person walking in the light; however, the blood of Jesus is still cleansing him of sin. So if someone is walking in the Spirit, will he commit a lawless/willful/presumptuous sin; or a trespass sin not of his will.
A Christian doesn't commit the lawless/willful/presumptuous sins. But if they do, in the OT they killed them, as there was no sacrifice for them who were of God's chosen people. They knew better.
Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.
Do word searches: unintentional, trespass, presumptuous, willful, tempt ("Thou shalt not tempt the Lord Thy God" said by Jesus to Satan in the wildreness)
Presumptuous:
Exodus 21:14
Numbers 15:30
Deuteronomy 1:43
Deuteronomy 17:12
Deuteronomy 17:13
Deuteronomy 18:22
Psalm 19:13
2 Peter 2:10
Lawless:
Matthew 7:23
Matthew 13:41
Matthew 23:28
Matthew 24:12
Acts 2:23
Romans 6:19
2 Corinthians 6:14
2 Thessalonians 2:7
1 Timothy 1:9
Titus 2:14
Hebrews 1:9
1 John 3:4
Trespass:
Leviticus 5:15
“If a person commits a trespass, and sins unintentionally in regard to the holy things of the Lord, then he shall bring to the Lord as his trespass offering a ram without blemish from the flocks, with your valuation in shekels of silver according to the shekel of the sanctuary, as a trespass offering.
Leviticus 22:14
Deuteronomy 4:42
Deuteronomy 19:4
Joshua 20:3
Joshua 20:5
Ezekiel 45:20
Unintentional:
Leviticus 4:2
Leviticus 4:13
Leviticus 4:22
Leviticus 4:27
Leviticus 5:15
Leviticus 22:14
Numbers 15:22-29
Deuteronomy 4:42
Deuteronomy 19:4
Joshua 20:3
Joshua 20:5
Ezekiel 45:20
i make the error of assuming every one gets that already haha.
the unintentional are often in regard to laws and we are not bound by that law being that we died in Christ so a lot of what was once unintentional sin doesn't apply . but most people who say ..you cant stop sinning ARE in too often generalizing about an unmentioned specific sin they want to be excused for doing
ps; im not taking your post lightly i have copy/pasted for further study later ans thank you for the material . as we grow in understanding we come in and out of tune with one another and this material will help me explain it to another in the near future (not on CF, we do very real discipling we are full time missionaries )
i cant recall as i had a almost 8 mnth break from CF but i have a feeling you and i were out of tune with one another 8 or more months ago and could not reach the same notes of song ,so to speak haha . yet here later we are hitting concord .. God is very amazing
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