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Seventy weeks (70*7=490 yrs) are determined for your people and for your holy city ...

Know therefore and understand,that from the going forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince, there shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks ... (69*7=483 yrs)

After the sixty-two weeks Messiah (Jesus) shall be cut off, but not for himself; and the people (Roman troops in ad 70) of the prince who is to come (Titus, a roman general and prince) shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, and till the end of the war desolations are determined.

He (Messiah) shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; but in the middle of the week (3½ yrs after his revealing) shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. (temple curtain torn) And on the wing of abominations (ongoing sacrifice an abomination) shall be one who makes desolate, (Titus destroys temple) even until the consummation, which is determined, is poured out on the desolate. (judgement on Jerusalem)

Dan 9:26,27 (N.K.J.Version, bracketed notes added)
 

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He (Messiah) shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; but in the middle of the week

The "he" in verse 27 is the "prince" of the people that shall destroy the city, not the Messiah.


Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy (The following pronoun "He" in verse 27 defined by this "Prince") the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Dan 9:27 And he (Pronoun, subsequent to previous subject "prince that shall come") shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.



You either lack basic literary comprehension, or are just plain being dishonest.


Your accusations that make Christ the "Prince that shall come" are objectively false.


More "playschool" clown eschatology perpetrated by amillenials.
 
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Simple, but wrong.

The messiah is not cutoff after 69 1/2 weeks.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:

It is not threescore and two and a half weeks in the text.
 
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The thing is Shock, that you must allow for the paragraph to refer to both. There is nothing wrong with attaching the antecedent where he has. But there are commentators who have noticed that the paragraph has an eerie way of reflecting the anti-messiah at the same time. anti-messiah reflecting the true one in his own devious way does make sense.

For one thing, "confirm" can also be rendered "to make harsh" which the zealots did with the old covenant.

I don't mean to remove the paragraph from the 1st century; the chart is correct about that. But you can't rule out his assumption for "he."
 
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The thing is Shock, that you must allow for the paragraph to refer to both. There is nothing wrong with attaching the antecedent where he has. But there are commentators who have noticed that the paragraph has an eerie way of reflecting the anti-messiah at the same time. anti-messiah reflecting the true one in his own devious way does make sense.

For one thing, "confirm" can also be rendered "to make harsh" which the zealots did with the old covenant.

I don't mean to remove the paragraph from the 1st century; the chart is correct about that. But you can't rule out his assumption for "he."

I don't think you know what you are talking about.

"And he shall confirm" is one word in Hebrew.

גּבר
gâbar
gaw-bar'
A primitive root; to be strong; by implication to prevail, act insolently: - exceed, confirm, be great, be mighty, prevail, put to more [strength], strengthen, be stronger, be valiant.


Meaning the subject the translators dynamically equated the pronoun to, was in fact the previous subject. The prince that shall come.

"Of the prince" "that shall come"

"nâgı̂yd nâgid" "bô'"


נגד נגיד
nâgı̂yd nâgid
naw-gheed', naw-gheed'
From H5046; a commander (as occupying the front), civil, military or religious; generally (abstract plural), honorable themes: - captain, chief, excellent thing, (chief) governor, leader, noble, prince, (chief) ruler.

בּוא
bô'
bo
A primitive root; to go or come (in a wide variety of applications): - abide, apply, attain, X be, befall, + besiege, bring (forth, in, into, to pass), call, carry, X certainly, (cause, let, thing for) to come (against, in, out, upon, to pass), depart, X doubtless again, + eat, + employ, (cause to) enter (in, into, -tering, -trance, -try), be fallen, fetch, + follow, get, give, go (down, in, to war), grant, + have, X indeed, [in-]vade, lead, lift [up], mention, pull in, put, resort, run (down), send, set, X (well) stricken [in age], X surely, take (in), way.
 
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The messiah is not cutoff after 69 1/2 weeks.

Correct, Messiah is cut off AT 69.5 weeks, not after.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:

It is not threescore and two and a half weeks in the text.
Correct again, however threescore and two and a half weeks IS "after threescore and two weeks"

Every time, without fail.
 
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The "he" in verse 27 is the "prince" of the people that shall destroy the city, not the Messiah.


Rather, Messiah is the Prince of the people who destroyed the city and sanctuary.
 
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Correct, Messiah is cut off AT 69.5 weeks, not after.

Correct again, however threescore and two and a half weeks IS "after threescore and two weeks"

Every time, without fail.
4 days is after threescore and two weeks.
The messiah arrived in Jerusalem, hailed as such, 4 days later was crucified.
 
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4 days is after threescore and two weeks.
The messiah arrived in Jerusalem, hailed as such, 4 days later was crucified.

Rather, The Anointing of Messiah by the Spirit descending upon Him as a dove ended the 69th week.
The Crucifixion followed 3.5 years later, in the midst of the 70th Week, exactly as prophesied.
 
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So the people of the "prince who shall come" that destroyed the temple and Jerusalem were Jews?

YES! Good Job!

In 66 AD, the people of the prince (Jews) rebelled and went against the Romans. What happened? The city was eventually destroyed. Did they do it directly? The rival JEWISH Zealot gangs, pent up inside the city's walls for 3.5 years, warring with one another, bringing destruction and famine upon one another, are the SOLE responsible party(s) for the City's destruction. Of course, no one knows exactly who torched the temple, could have been the Zealots, might have been the Romans, But, either way, the actions of the Jewish people in Jerusalem brought down the fury of the Roman armies. Whether the Jews burned it or the Romans did is rather a moot point.


The Roman armies were merely the instrument du jour.
The Jews (People of Messiah the Prince) were, without question, the engine behind it and SOLELY responsible for the City and sanctuary's destruction.
 
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The expression AofD has this built in: it is the abomination that/which desolates. Those rebels were the abomination, as defined in terms of temple worship. "My house should be for prayer, but you have made it a house of 'leistes'". 'Leistes' are rebels, insurgents, insurrectionists, brigands. THis quote from Luke and choice of 'leistes' seems timed and chosen to show that Paul was not part of the widespread rebellion.
 
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