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Daniel 11 being fulfilled NOW? Read this!!

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Da Berkshire Massive, Dec 23, 2002.

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  1. Da Berkshire Massive

    Da Berkshire Massive New Member

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    I have been wondering about this for a long time ever since 9/11. Yesterday I was watching a programme on BBC News 24 about the forthcoming war with Iraq. Afterwards I decided to have another look at Daniel 11 and EVERYTHING suddenly clicked!!!!!!! I am NOT a prophet nor claim to be -Daniel was the Prophet. I don't believe either that this is being revealed to me or even a few, but to everyone who looks at current events and compares them to Daniel 11. There are some rough edges in this but I felt that this must be discussed urgently because if Daniel 11 IS being fulfilled NOW, we only have a few more years to do God's work and get the Gospel out to everyone in this world before the Antichrist will rise to power- maybe in the middle of our lifetimes.

    Since 9/11/01 I've been thinking whether that and
    current events were prophesised in Daniel 11 -Several
    scholars reckon that the European Union apparently is
    prophesised in Daniel though I'm not sure myself
    where. I've been thinking about this and these are my
    thoughts -I may well be totally wrong and please DON'T
    think I might be right!!, but most if not all of the
    pieces seem to fit -it's something to ponder!!:

    Daniel 11.

    The Kings of the South and the North

    2 "Now then, I tell you the truth: Three more kings
    will appear in Persia, and then a fourth, who will be
    far richer than all the others. When he has gained
    power by his wealth, he will stir up everyone against
    the kingdom of Greece.

    (Think of the fourth King as Muhammed who was an
    extremely rich man and has had far more influence on
    the world than any other rulers/leaders in the Middle
    East -and also think of the Moors who tried to invade
    and spread Islam to Europe but were defeated.)


    3 Then a mighty king will appear, who will rule with
    great power and do as he pleases. 4 After he has
    appeared, his empire will be broken up and parceled
    out toward the four winds of heaven. It will not go to
    his descendants, nor will it have the power he
    exercised, because his empire will be uprooted and
    given to others.

    (Think of this as the British Empire which was the
    largest empire in the world during the 19th-20th
    centuries then broken up all and scattered to every
    part of the world and not to any related peoples.)

    5 "The king of the South will become strong (I think
    that this may be referring to Syria -Remember under
    another regime in ancient history, Syria was also once
    a vast empire.), but one of his commanders (-was Iraq
    once part of ancient Syria?) will become even stronger
    than he and will rule his own kingdom with great
    power. (Saddam Hussain and Iraq)

    6 After some years, they will become allies (Iraq and
    Syria forging stronger ties over last couple of
    years). The daughter of the king of the South will go
    to the king of the North to make an alliance, but she
    will not retain her power (-end of a past ruler's
    regime in Syria? -I am sure that there were US and
    Syrian alliances in the past?), and he and his power
    [1] will not last (change of American President and
    government). In those days she will be handed over,
    together with her royal escort and her father [2] and
    the one who supported her.

    7 "One from her family line (a fellow Muslim) will
    arise to take her place. He will attack the forces of
    the king of the North and enter his fortress; he will
    fight against them and be victorious. 8 He will also
    seize their gods, their metal images and their
    valuable articles of silver and gold and carry them
    off to Egypt. (September 11th- Osama Bin Laden and Al
    Qaeda) For some years he will leave the king of the
    North alone. (1993 world trade centre bombing -
    9/11/2001)

    9 Then the king of the North will invade the realm of
    the king of the South but will retreat to his own
    country. (Gulf War)

    10 His sons (President Bush is the Son of George Bush
    who was behind the Gulf War) will prepare for war and
    assemble a great army, which will sweep on like an
    irresistible flood and carry the battle as far as his
    fortress (-more terrorist attrocities/World War 3)

    The rest- forthcoming events this century?

    I think that we should all look closely at global
    events to see whether they match with Daniels prophecy
    from now on- remember even if not now, ONE DAY these
    will be fulfilled in world events. Remember Daniel was
    the prophet NOT me- all I have done is said 'Look at
    this!!' In the last days the meaning of this prophecy
    will be revealed to ALL Christians and not just to one
    or even a few. What I have done is looked at current
    events and using Daniel 11 if this prophecy is already
    being fulfilled in its entirety, written a scenario
    for the future right up to the rise of the Antichrist.
    If this REALLY IS what is happening, then it would
    mean that WE ARE THE LAST GENERATION who will have the
    freedom to get the gospel out in this world- It would
    also mean that halfway through our lifetime doing
    God's work in this world will no longer be possible
    without the penalty of death even in Europe.
     

    11 "Then the king of the South will march out in a
    rage and fight against the king of the North, who will
    raise a large army, but it will be defeated.

    (If this is about the next few years then it has
    CATASTROPHIC meaning- America will NOT win the war
    against Iraq. -I presume the rest of the Arab world
    will turn out to help Iraq in the fight against
    America. Iraq will be the Second Vietnam and far more
    significant and embarrassing for America.
    Significantly America and Britain are hoping to use as
    few troops for this campaign as possible- they will
    find that they do not have sufficient resources and
    armed forces to topple the Iraqi regime as other
    Islamic states will help Iraq.)

    12 When the army is carried off, the king of the South
    will be filled with pride and will slaughter many
    thousands, yet he will not remain triumphant

    (Once America fails in the war against Iraq and
    withdraws its troops, Iraq will then turn against and
    probably invade Iran and other surrounding countries.

    But unlike Vietnam, America will NOT accept defeat and
    will launch another massive war against the Middle
    East- See below.)

    13 For the king of the North will muster another army,
    larger than the first; and after several years, he
    will advance with a huge army fully equipped.
    14 "In those times many will rise against the king of
    the South. (Including much of the Arab world who
    helped Iraq and were subsequently betrayed by and
    suffered at the hands of that country) The violent men
    among your own people will rebel in fulfillment of the
    vision, but without success (-terrorist attacks from
    within America etc like Oklahoma city some years
    ago?). 15 Then the king of the North will come and
    build up siege ramps and will capture a fortified city
    (Baghdad?) 9. The forces of the South will be
    powerless to resist; even their best troops will not
    have the strength to stand (-This second war will
    destroy the Iraqi regime). 16 The invader will do as
    he pleases; no one will be able to stand against him.
    He (America) will establish himself in the Beautiful
    Land and will have the power to destroy it. 17 He will
    determine to come with the might of his entire kingdom
    and will make an alliance with the king of the South
    (Syria again?). And he will give him a daughter in
    marriage (try to set up a new Iraqi government) in
    order to overthrow the kingdom, but his plans [3] will
    not succeed or help him.

    (There will then be a second major war between America
    and the Middle East, that America WILL win. America
    will then try make alliances in the Middle East with
    key nations such as Syria and possibly with a new
    forthcoming provisional government in Iraq that have
    not yet gained control of the country from supporters
    of the old regime or have the support of the people
    (remember Saddam recently got full support for his
    regime)- perhaps Gorilla warfare will continue?
    America will then attempt to set up a puppet
    democratic state in Iraq just as it did in Afghanistan
    - this however will fail.)

    18 Then he (America) will turn his attention to the
    coastlands and will take many of them (-perhaps
    America will try to fully restore the land of Israel
    and destroy Palestine and Palestinian influence since
    the Palestinians are probably by this time united
    against America. Maybe other nations such as Syria and
    Lebanon will also be found to harbour anti America
    groups and sentiments and America will invade these
    countries as well), but a commander (someone) will put
    an end to his insolence and will turn his insolence
    back upon him (Some regime in the Middle East will hit
    back at America with full strength -and force America
    out of the Middle East once and for all). 19 After
    this, he will turn back toward the fortresses of his
    own country but will stumble and fall, to be seen no
    more (-the end of the current political influences in
    America?).

    (This second war in the Middle East will not only
    eventually bring yet another crushing defeat for
    America, it will also mean the end of America's
    leading position in international affairs (remember
    America really is bypassing and completely ignoring
    the United Nations- so after a second defeat in the
    Middle East no one will listen to or take America
    seriously anymore) and after this, its downfall. -I am
    not sure whether all of this will happen before the
    end of a second term of President Bush or the end of
    the current republican political party's influence on
    power in America i.e. Bush will have associates (-they
    are really the minds behind the war on terrorism) who
    will rise to power after his maximum time allowed in
    office ends in 2009- which I think is more likely)



    20 "His successor will send out a tax collector to
    maintain the royal splendor (not sure what this might
    mean, but perhaps it means the return of the Democrats
    in Office in America and a more peaceful?
    international campaign?) . In a few years, however, he
    will be destroyed, yet not in anger or in battle.

    (This suggests that the defeated and totally weakened
    America will eventually unite with the European Union)


    21 "He will be succeeded by a contemptible person who
    has not been given the honor of royalty. He will
    invade the kingdom when its people feel secure, and he
    will seize it through intrigue. (EU governments are
    saying how a united Europe will mean peace, properity
    and no more war in Europe- well yes, until the
    Antichrist rises and seizes power.)

    (The Antichrist will then rise to power in and seize
    control of the expanded European Union and America,
    when its people and nations least expect it. Satan
    will then enable the Antichrist to turn Europe and
    America into the most brutal totalian empire of ALL
    history. Then below the Antichrist and his northern
    Empire continue to fight against the Islamic world.-
    The rise of the Antichrist will herald the end of all
    Christian freedom and the end of the Age of Grace in
    the world- Daniel was told that this would take place
    a time, times and half a time after he was given the
    prophecy- perhaps the end of the age of grace will be
    2000 years after Pentecost and 2500 after Daniel?)







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  2. Da Berkshire Massive

    Da Berkshire Massive New Member

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    22 Then an overwhelming army will be swept away before
    him; both it and a prince of the covenant will be
    destroyed. 23 After coming to an agreement with him,
    he will act deceitfully, and with only a few people he
    will rise to power. 24 When the richest provinces feel
    secure, he will invade them and will achieve what
    neither his fathers nor his forefathers did (-This suggests that all countries in the European/Northern Union will find themselves under the power and authority of the Antichrist and will be able to do NOTHING against him.)

    The rest of Daniel 11 uninterpreted and definitely in the future:

    He will
    distribute plunder, loot and wealth among his
    followers. He will plot the overthrow of
    fortresses-but only for a time.
    25 "With a large army he will stir up his strength and
    courage against the king of the South. The king of the
    South will wage war with a large and very powerful
    army, but he will not be able to stand because of the
    plots devised against him. 26 Those who eat from the
    king's provisions will try to destroy him; his army
    will be swept away, and many will fall in battle. 27
    The two kings, with their hearts bent on evil, will
    sit at the same table and lie to each other, but to no
    avail, because an end will still come at the appointed
    time. 28 The king of the North will return to his own
    country with great wealth, but his heart will be set
    against the holy covenant. He will take action against
    it and then return to his own country.
    29 "At the appointed time he will invade the South
    again, but this time the outcome will be different
    from what it was before. 30 Ships of the western
    coastlands [4] will oppose him, and he will lose
    heart. Then he will turn back and vent his fury
    against the holy covenant. He will return and show
    favor to those who forsake the holy covenant.
    31 "His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the
    temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice.
    Then they will set up the abomination that causes
    desolation. 32 With flattery he will corrupt those who
    have violated the covenant, but the people who know
    their God will firmly resist him.
    33 "Those who are wise will instruct many, though for
    a time they will fall by the sword or be burned or
    captured or plundered. 34 When they fall, they will
    receive a little help, and many who are not sincere
    will join them. 35 Some of the wise will stumble, so
    that they may be refined, purified and made spotless
    until the time of the end, for it will still come at
    the appointed time.


    The King Who Exalts Himself
    36 "The king will do as he pleases. He will exalt and
    magnify himself above every god and will say
    unheard-of things against the God of gods. He will be
    successful until the time of wrath is completed, for
    what has been determined must take place. 37 He will
    show no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the
    one desired by women, nor will he regard any god, but
    will exalt himself above them all. 38 Instead of them,
    he will honor a god of fortresses; a god unknown to
    his fathers he will honor with gold and silver, with
    precious stones and costly gifts. 39 He will attack
    the mightiest fortresses with the help of a foreign
    god and will greatly honor those who acknowledge him.
    He will make them rulers over many people and will
    distribute the land at a price. [5]
    40 "At the time of the end the king of the South will
    engage him in battle, and the king of the North will
    storm out against him with chariots and cavalry and a
    great fleet of ships. He will invade many countries
    and sweep through them like a flood. 41 He will also
    invade the Beautiful Land. Many countries will fall,
    but Edom, Moab and the leaders of Ammon will be
    delivered from his hand. 42 He will extend his power
    over many countries; Egypt will not escape. 43 He will
    gain control of the treasures of gold and silver and
    all the riches of Egypt, with the Libyans and Nubians
    in submission. 44 But reports from the east and the
    north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great
    rage to destroy and annihilate many. 45 He will pitch
    his royal tents between the seas at [6] the beautiful
    holy mountain. Yet he will come to his end, and no one
    will help him.





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  3. Mr. John

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    After the Rapture, the prophectic clock will begin to tick. :eek:  Right now we are in the Age of Grace. :clap: The coming Davidic Kingdom is right now, for the moment, in abyance. Worry about leading people to Christ.:bow:

    Mr. John
     
  4. BaBiDaNsTaR

    BaBiDaNsTaR MaGaZiNa, ISsUe 16!

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    I agree with Mr. John.  We REALLY must stay focused on leading people to Christ...because that day will be coming soon and we all need to be ready! :pray:
     
  5. JourneyFaith

    JourneyFaith Intercessor 4 U

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    The time of the end IS drawing near. YES we must get the message of the Gospel to our lost and unsaved brothers and sisters quickly.

    I too have been wrestling with 9/11 and Daniel

    Although we know we will never know when Christ will come again until He does, it has never before in history that the prophetic books have seemed eriely similar to what is going on in current events

     

    Your Brother In Christ

    Ken
     
  6. Da Berkshire Massive

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    Looking at unfolding events it is beginning to appear that war with Iraq may just be averted this time. Al Qaeda have not launched any major attacks on the United States since the last anthrax scare- IF that was Al Qaeda- it will be extremely interesting how this all turns out because if events do turn out this way then Daniel 11 IS being fulfilled and after the current threat of war with Iraq and massive miltary build up, America' s forces will retreat from the Gulf region and there will be a quieter time for several years before World War 3- I guess another huge terrorist attrocity perhaps a nuclear attack by terrorists will start off WW3. Global terrorism in the meantime may still be a major threat but Al Qaeda (except maybe dissident splinter groups) and Osama Bin Laden especially will leave America alone- they may breathe threats and may be suspected, but other terrorist organisations separate from Al Qaeda will be responsible for carrying any such attacks.
    If this turns out to be the case this is exactly where we are at now:

    7 "One from her family line will arise to take her place (Bin Laden). He will attack the forces of the king of the North and enter his fortress (Pentagon); he will fight against them and be victorious. 8 He will also seize their gods, their metal images and their valuable articles of silver and gold and carry them off to Egypt. For some years he will leave the king of the North alone. 9 Then the king of the North will invade the realm of the king of the South but will retreat to his own country (Current threat of war with Iraq?). 10 His sons will prepare for war and assemble a great army, which will sweep on like an irresistible flood and carry the battle as far as his fortress.

    We may well be at v8 and v9 -the outcome of current events will prove whether or not this is true. Certainly if this happens there will be no discrepancies and all the prophecies will be in exact order or events- the previous interpretation required shuffling about events to fit the prophecies.

    The good news if this is how things work out is that we all have a bit more time to use our lives to go ALL OUT for God. The bad news is that our days are now clearly numbered before the time of the antichrist and the tribulation and that we are really the last generation who will have the freedom to spread the gospel message. The end time clock may now REALLY be ticking.
     
  7. DeafPosttrib

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    Gathering together shall not come till we will see apostasy first, and the revealed of Antichrist - 2 Thess 2:1-3.

    We will face Antichrist first and he will persecute against us in Rev. 13:7 & 10.

    Of course, we focus on the gospel to lost people about Jesus Christ. The gospel of the salvation will not be end till Christ comes(at Second Advent) - Matt 24:14; and 28:19-20.

    In Christ
    Rev. 22:20 - Amen!
     
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