D. James Kennedy Ministries Sues SPLC over Hate Map

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not quite. They don't include every Christian group that think homosexuality is wrong, just those that are spreading lies and inflammatory propaganda.

Do you have any idea of what you just wrote? The SPLC includes Christians on their "hate criminal" list who state the fact that homosexuals have a lower lifespan than heterosexuals, which is true because 1/5th of all gay men have HIV/AIDS. Read the statistics yourself: Gay and Bisexual Men | HIV by Group | HIV/AIDS | CDC This is coming from the CDC, a reliable government source. Oddly enough, the SPLC doesn't list the CDC for making the same claims that designated Christians "haters" do.
 
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All the way to the Supreme Court and this lawsuit is a typical example of how just disapproving of homosexual behavior is considered dangerous.


We are not talking in circles about random tangents. We are talking about the Kennedy lawsuit or did you miss that part.

Should a church marry a gay couple regardless of religious and moral objections because that's a real issue.


What is absurd are these tangents you keep going off on.



You have completely missed the point of the thread. We are talking about a specific lawsuit.

and i can go on and on and on and on... and i don't think it would matter.. I have no doubt that this will be either ignored or denied
Likewise, this is pretty typical of the debate. Did the SPLC break that law when the put Kennedy at the top of the list of hate groups?
 
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I don't believe that for a minute. They got everything the wanted and it's not enough, now it's flowers and cakes. The real issue is religious and moral objections that you have no tolerance for. I think same sex unions are perversion, is that hate?
it isn't love.

that aside you can still be fired from your job in 29 states jut because you are gay. the issue is and always has been the denial of rights and legal protections.


I'm not the one hiding behind a victim hood.



No, but it's not getting the attention of the status quo, at least not yet.
we can add this to my above list of ignored questions.


Do you ever try?
sorry to burst your bubble but yes, yes i have.


It's a perversion of the natural use of the body, I'm not shy about saying that.
That is your opinion and you are welcome to it however holding that opinion is mutually exclusive with respect.



Gays are not being more mistreated the heterosexuals as far as I can tell. Not accepting them as normal and natural is being condemned and it gives no consideration to real world conviction, that's just plain wrong.
can you show me examples of heterosexuals being denied civil rights?
can you name the states where it is legal to fire someone just because they are straight?
Can you tell us about organizations that create fake science to promote discrimination against heterosexuals?
can you show me where heterosexuals are call perverse just because they are hetersexuals

Hey...more questions that wont be answered




They failed to recognize religious and moral conviction that does not espouse hate.
is there any?



What they said is because Kennedy is opposed to homosexual behavior he is worse then Nazis. They put him at the top of the list and that is moral failure.
so the answer to my question is no.
 
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Do you have any idea of what you just wrote? The SPLC includes Christians on their "hate criminal" list who state the fact that homosexuals have a lower lifespan than heterosexuals,
the claim that homosexuals have a shorter life expectancy was fabricated by Paul Cameron by clipping obituaries from small gay publications and tossing out any obituary for a person over the age of 50. Cameron was caught making up research data and expelled from academia and the APA. Would it surprise you to learn the research he was forging was on homosexuals? Cameron went on to found the very Christian Family Research Council and he continues to self publish faked research.
Is his fake research OK because he is a Christian?


which is true because 1/5th of all gay men have HIV/AIDS. Read the statistics yourself: Gay and Bisexual Men | HIV by Group | HIV/AIDS | CDC This is coming from the CDC, a reliable government source. Oddly enough, the SPLC doesn't list the CDC for making the same claims that designated Christians "haters" do.
And nothing in your link about life expectancy.


If you turn the page on your link you can find that African American's are disproportionately affected by HIV AIDS. ( don't forget that African Americans actually do have a shorter life expectancy than whites) Do there facts justify racism?
 
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All the way to the Supreme Court and this lawsuit is a typical example of how just disapproving of homosexual behavior is considered dangerous.
i predicted you would ignore what was posted. I sure hit that nail on the head
 
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the claim that homosexuals have a shorter life expectancy was fabricated by Paul Cameron by clipping obituaries from small gay publications and tossing out any obituary for a person over the age of 50. Cameron was caught making up research data and expelled from academia and the APA. Would it surprise you to learn the research he was forging was on homosexuals? Cameron went on to found the very Christian Family Research Council and he continues to self publish faked research.
Is his fake research OK because he is a Christian?


And nothing in your link about life expectancy.


If you turn the page on your link you can find that African American's are disproportionately affected by HIV AIDS. ( don't forget that African Americans actually do have a shorter life expectancy than whites) Do there facts justify racism?

HIV/AIDS lowers life expectancy. This is so obvious. Look it up yourself. And who said anything about anti-black racism? You're making things up.
 
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the claim that homosexuals have a shorter life expectancy was fabricated by Paul Cameron by clipping obituaries from small gay publications and tossing out any obituary for a person over the age of 50. Cameron was caught making up research data and expelled from academia and the APA. Would it surprise you to learn the research he was forging was on homosexuals? Cameron went on to found the very Christian Family Research Council and he continues to self publish faked research.
Is his fake research OK because he is a Christian?


And nothing in your link about life expectancy.


If you turn the page on your link you can find that African American's are disproportionately affected by HIV AIDS. ( don't forget that African Americans actually do have a shorter life expectancy than whites) Do there facts justify racism?

HIV/AIDS lowers life expectancy. This is so obvious. Look it up yourself. And who said anything about anti-black racism? You're making things up.
 
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mark kennedy said in post #80:

It's a perversion of the natural use of the body . . .

That brought to mind:

Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

-

It is sometimes asked: 'But how can homosexuality be "against nature"'?

Homosexuality is "against nature" (Romans 1:26-27) in the sense of how God created nature to work:

Matthew 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

God never intended for males to become sexually joined or married to other males, just as God never intended for females to become sexually joined or married to other females.

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mark kennedy said in post #83:

All the way to the Supreme Court and this lawsuit is a typical example of how just disapproving of homosexual behavior is considered dangerous.

The Supreme Court could eventually outlaw even speaking against homosexuality or abortion, calling it "hate speech", thereby negating the First Amendment. The way that this could be done would be by employing the principle of the past Supreme Court ruling in Employment Division v. Smith, which even Scalia mistakenly supported, which says that a law can in effect forbid a specific religious activity so long as the law does not specifically target religion, but is a neutral law of general applicability. That is, a future, anti-Christian Supreme Court ruling could claim that it is not targeting Biblical Christianity per se, but is generally forbidding "hate speech" by anyone, regardless of their religion, or lack thereof.

Also, the future forbidding of Biblical Christians from making any speech against homosexuality or abortion could be perpetrated by a future Supreme Court by claiming that any such speech presents a "clear and present danger" (Schenck v. U.S.) to homosexuals and abortion clinics, as such speech could lead to violent attacks against them, such as the mass shooting at the Pulse gay-nightclub in Orlando, or when a man attacked an abortion clinic claiming to be "a warrior for the babies". Of course, from a pacifist's point of view, nothing about Romans 1:26-27, for example, contradicts Matthew 5:39. So simply saying that homosexuality is a sin in no way supports violence. But the connection could still be made by a future, anti-Christian Supreme Court as a means to squelch Biblical Christians' Constitutional rights to free speech and religion (thereby contradicting the Supreme Court's own "content" precedent in, for example, Reed v. Town of Gilbert).
 
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SilverBear said in post #84:

it isn't love.

Part of loving others is warning them if they are living in sin (Revelation 3:19; 2 Thessalonians 3:15, Hebrews 3:13, James 5:19-20). The worst thing that a Christian can do is to coddle people who are living in sin, instead of sharing with them the hard (yet saving) truths of God's Word the Holy Bible (2 Timothy 4:2-4, cf. Jeremiah 23:14,22,29). Telling the truth to people can sometimes hurt them, but that is better than deceiving them with something which makes them feel good (Proverbs 27:6, Proverbs 28:23).

SilverBear said in post #84:

that aside you can still be fired from your job in 29 states jut because you are gay. the issue is and always has been the denial of rights and legal protections.

So a Biblical Christian business can have its rights and legal protections denied just because it refuses, based on the Bible itself (Romans 1:26-27), to support homosexuality?

SilverBear said in post #84:

That is your opinion and you are welcome to it however holding that opinion is mutually exclusive with respect.

Do you respect everyone, regardless of what they do? For example, do you respect pedophiles and those who are into inappropriate behavior with animals?

SilverBear said in post #84:

can you show me examples of heterosexuals being denied civil rights?

A Biblical Christian bakery has to make a cake for a homosexual wedding.

Similarly, a Biblical Christian pharmacy has to sell the morning-after abortion pill.

SilverBear said in post #84:

can you name the states where it is legal to fire someone just because they are straight?

What religion says that being straight is a sin? And based on what authority?
 
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HIV/AIDS lowers life expectancy. This is so obvious. Look it up yourself. And who said anything about anti-black racism? You're making things up.
And African Americans contract HIV many times the rate of whites so their life expectancy is lowered even more. If you think this justifies hate and discrimination against gays then your same justification should applies to blacks to.
 
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Part of loving others is warning them if they are living in sin (Revelation 3:19; 2 Thessalonians 3:15, Hebrews 3:13, James 5:19-20). The worst thing that a Christian can do is to coddle people who are living in sin, instead of sharing with them the hard (yet saving) truths of God's Word the Holy Bible (2 Timothy 4:2-4, cf. Jeremiah 23:14,22,29). Telling the truth to people can sometimes hurt them, but that is better than deceiving them with something which makes them feel good (Proverbs 27:6, Proverbs 28:23).
and how do you respond when you are lovingly told you are sinning by abusing God's word to justify your own prejudices?


So a Biblical Christian business can have its rights and legal protections denied just because it refuses, based on the Bible itself (Romans 1:26-27), to support homosexuality?
Christian business have the right to arbitrarily ire people because they are members of a minority?


Do you respect everyone, regardless of what they do? For example, do you respect pedophiles and those who are into inappropriate behavior with animals?
I don't respect individuals perverse enough and hateful enough to to suggest that a minority is equivalent to those who abuse children. Anyone doing so is not not loving they are just bigoted.



A Biblical Christian bakery has to make a cake for a homosexual wedding.
just like they have to serve interracial couples or Jewish couples.

Similarly, a Biblical Christian pharmacy has to sell the morning-after abortion pill.



What religion says that being straight is a sin? And based on what authority?


"The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and 362 admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals. It's just that they need more supervision." - Lynn Lavner
 
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And African Americans contract HIV many times the rate of whites so their life expectancy is lowered even more. If you think this justifies hate and discrimination against gays then your same justification should applies to blacks to.

Pointing out statistics doesn't constitute discrimination.
 
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it isn't love.

that aside you can still be fired from your job in 29 states jut because you are gay. the issue is and always has been the denial of rights and legal protections.


we can add this to my above list of ignored questions.


sorry to burst your bubble but yes, yes i have.


That is your opinion and you are welcome to it however holding that opinion is mutually exclusive with respect.




can you show me examples of heterosexuals being denied civil rights?
can you name the states where it is legal to fire someone just because they are straight?
Can you tell us about organizations that create fake science to promote discrimination against heterosexuals?
can you show me where heterosexuals are call perverse just because they are hetersexuals

Hey...more questions that wont be answered




is there any?



so the answer to my question is no.

Yeah, I want evidence that you can get fired for being gay, preferably in a manner that doesn't make the fallacy of confusing right to work with being fired for being gay.
 
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Pointing out statistics doesn't constitute discrimination.
It a good thing no one is saying that it does.

You are however pointing out statistics to justify prejudice and discrimination.

Those same statistics show that African Americans have contracted HIV disproportionately to their population.

So pulling up charts form the CDC is an acceptable way to justify racism right?
 
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That brought to mind:

Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

-

It is sometimes asked: 'But how can homosexuality be "against nature"'?

Homosexuality is "against nature" (Romans 1:26-27) in the sense of how God created nature to work:

Matthew 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

God never intended for males to become sexually joined or married to other males, just as God never intended for females to become sexually joined or married to other females.

*******



The Supreme Court could eventually outlaw even speaking against homosexuality or abortion, calling it "hate speech", thereby negating the First Amendment. The way that this could be done would be by employing the principle of the past Supreme Court ruling in Employment Division v. Smith, which even Scalia mistakenly supported, which says that a law can in effect forbid a specific religious activity so long as the law does not specifically target religion, but is a neutral law of general applicability. That is, a future, anti-Christian Supreme Court ruling could claim that it is not targeting Biblical Christianity per se, but is generally forbidding "hate speech" by anyone, regardless of their religion, or lack thereof.

Also, the future forbidding of Biblical Christians from making any speech against homosexuality or abortion could be perpetrated by a future Supreme Court by claiming that any such speech presents a "clear and present danger" (Schenck v. U.S.) to homosexuals and abortion clinics, as such speech could lead to violent attacks against them, such as the mass shooting at the Pulse gay-nightclub in Orlando, or when a man attacked an abortion clinic claiming to be "a warrior for the babies". Of course, from a pacifist's point of view, nothing about Romans 1:26-27, for example, contradicts Matthew 5:39. So simply saying that homosexuality is a sin in no way supports violence. But the connection could still be made by a future, anti-Christian Supreme Court as a means to squelch Biblical Christians' Constitutional rights to free speech and religion (thereby contradicting the Supreme Court's own "content" precedent in, for example, Reed v. Town of Gilbert).
There is no such thing as hate speech in the legal sense.
 
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