D. James Kennedy Ministries Sues SPLC over Hate Map

[hedrick]

Uncritically? If a ministry or church affirms Biblical traditional marriage they get the attention of the SPLC.

Which means if you disagree with the SPLC you are a hate group. Not very tolerant of them.

In principle, that's not true. They don't list every conservative Church in the US. Here's what they say:

"Anti-LGBT groups on the SPLC hate list often link homosexuality to pedophilia, claim that same-sex marriage and LGBT people in general are dangers to children, that homosexuality itself is dangerous, support the criminalization of homosexuality and transgender identity, and that there is a conspiracy called the “homosexual agenda” at work that seeks to destroy Christianity and the whole of society.

"Viewing homosexuality as unbiblical or simply opposing same-sex marriage does not qualify an organization to be listed as an anti-LGBT hate group."

They could certainly be wrong about a group, or have an assessment based on old data. I have no particular evidence about how accurate they are.

 

[FireDragon76]

Uncritically? If a ministry or church affirms Biblical traditional marriage they get the attention of the SPLC.

You don't see the Catholic Church or Southern Baptist Convention on SPLC's list, even though both are opposed to gay marriage. SPLC doesn't seem to have an axe to grind with conservative religious groups in general.

 

[SilverBear]

Uncritically? If a ministry or church affirms Biblical traditional marriage they get the attention of the SPLC.

Which means if you disagree with the SPLC you are a hate group. Not very tolerant of them.

A complete lie as has been pointed out.

Looking into the Kennedy ministries it's easy to see why they earned the label of hate group.

Kennedy himself was a vocal advocate of the Chalcedon Foundation and their call for the mass execution of homosexuals. This mass killing was often to include the families of homosexuals including any children that were "exposed" to homosexuals for a significant amount of time.

 

[SolomonVII]

7 Things You Need To Know About The Southern Poverty Law Center
The SPLC even listed Ben Carson as an extremist.

This is a leftist propaganda group, nothing more, nothing less.
Maybe they are the kind of group well suited to supplying the kind of information required to get a FISA warrant, but for anyone interested in objective information, they can be dismissed as left wing propagandists.
Indeed that is what they themselves see themselves as being set up to do, as per their admittance in the article above.

 

[hedrick]

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The SPLC even listed Ben Carson as an extremist.

And removed him with an apology after review.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

It's mistake to to give any regard to anything the SPLC says about anything.

 

[redleghunter]

You don't see the Catholic Church or Southern Baptist Convention on SPLC's list, even though both are opposed to gay marriage. SPLC doesn't seem to have an axe to grind with conservative religious groups in general.

True but I think they are operating with old data and drawing their own conclusions. If one quotes CDC stats as some recent threads have, you see folks claim homophobia.

Now I agree using such stats to fit a political agenda should not be a church undertaking.

 

[redleghunter]

It's mistake to to give any regard to anything the SPLC says about anything.

Some take everything they post seriously. The FRC HQs shooter admitted he used their hate map to find FRC.

The GOP baseball practice shooter also frequented the SPLC hate map.

 

[SolomonVII]

And removed him with an apology after review.

What kind of organization would have put him up in the first place?
The seven points make that apparent, as did my own conclusion from seeing how things are done there.

Whatever the results of this particular legal action, SPLC is poisoning the well. That defines their hate.

 

[FireDragon76]

True but I think they are operating with old data and drawing their own conclusions. If one quotes CDC stats as some recent threads have, you see folks claim homophobia.

Now I agree using such stats to fit a political agenda should not be a church undertaking.

I believe on the whole, releasing that information is ethical because the public has a right to know the agendas of various groups that participate in the public square. That's not, in itself, condoning vigilantism.

SPLC also has a specific focus. They focus on groups that promote hatred of entire groups of people based on common characteristics. Simply being angry at capitalism or the establishment, like Antifa or some of the Occupy fringe groups, doesn't qualify for that.

 

[redleghunter]

A complete lie as has been pointed out.

Looking into the Kennedy ministries it's easy to see why they earned the label of hate group.

Kennedy himself was a vocal advocate of the Chalcedon Foundation and their call for the mass execution of homosexuals. This mass killing was often to include the families of homosexuals including any children that were "exposed" to homosexuals for a significant amount of time.

The ministry in question has no ties to Chalcedon.

They may have a guilt by name association to work off of, but the current ministry espouses the following:

But the group “would not advocate any sort of violence or any sort of prejudice,” he added. “We absolutely affirm equal rights for homosexuals and all other people. We believe in equal rights.”

Ministry opposing same-sex marriage sues civil-rights center over hate-group label

 

[SolomonVII]

The ministry in question has no ties to Chalcedon.

They may have a guilt by name association to work off of, but the current ministry espouses the following:

But the group “would not advocate any sort of violence or any sort of prejudice,” he added. “We absolutely affirm equal rights for homosexuals and all other people. We believe in equal rights.”

Ministry opposing same-sex marriage sues civil-rights center over hate-group label

This is not the sort of things that 'hate groups', such as the KKK, or Ayran Church, would ever think to include in their preambles.

 

[redleghunter]

This is not the sort of things that hate groups, such as the KKK, or Ayran Church, would ever think to include in their preambles.

Agree. Kennedy did have much stronger and divisive positions which excluded a pastoral approach to gays as the Catholic church has. Meaning the Catholic church condemns homosexual actions but open their arms to find repentance and God's love in the life of the church.

I think what the current Kennedy ministry leadership espouses is a far cry from the history of the name.

The SPLC should be listening to what the group is saying now and not guilt by historical name.

 

[FireDragon76]

Aparrently the issue for SPLC is how Kennedy's ministry portrays gays as a threat to the nation.

I agree, if it's true that's how gays are depicted, that makes them a hate group. This kind of stigmatization of gay people goes hand in hand with an atmosphere that fosters intolerance and violence. Even many other conservative Christian groups wisely do not frame gays as threats to the public.

Ministry opposing same-sex marriage sues civil-rights center over hate-group label

 

[SolomonVII]

Agree. Kennedy did have much stronger and divisive positions which excluded a pastoral approach to gays as the Catholic church has. Meaning the Catholic church condemns homosexual actions but open their arms to find repentance and God's love in the life of the church.

I think what the current Kennedy ministry leadership espouses is a far cry from the history of the name.

The SPLC should be listening to what the group is saying now and not guilt by historical name.

Sometimes I have to temporarily override my ignore function to get the fuller picture, and inevitably what I discover is why that ignore function has been engaged in the first place.
Six degrees of separation and we are all the same.
It is a ridiculous argument that is a waste of brain cells for me to even entertain.

 

[hedrick]

What kind of organization would have put him up in the first place?
The seven points make that apparent, as did my own conclusion from seeing how things are done there.

Whatever the results of this particular legal action, SPLC is poisoning the well. That defines their hate.

Well, there was at least some basis. Here's a summary. These are the kinds of things extremists do, but the question is what the overall tone of his message as. I can't assess that.

“Our criticism of him was based in large part on his very extreme rhetoric about the evils of gay people,” Potok told TPM by phone. “He says that any criticism he makes is always kind and never meant to destroy the person, but then he says that gay marriage will lead to the destruction of America much in the same way the Roman Empire collapsed.”

Carson’s profile, which Potok said went up on the SPLC’s website at the end of October, states that the group gave the retired neurosurgeon the “extremist” designation for “linking gays with pedophiles, comparing the U.S. to Nazi Germany and endorsing biblical economic practices for 21st century America.”

The SPLC cites several of Carson’s past public statements to make its case, including a 2013 interview Carson gave on Fox News’ “Hannity” where he compared gays to people who advocate pedophilia and inappropriate behavior with animals.

“Marriage is between a man and a woman. It’s a well-established pillar of society and no group, be they gays, be they NAMBLA [North American Man/Boy Association, a group advocating pedophilia], be they people who believe in inappropriate behavior with animals—it doesn’t matter what they are, they don’t get to change the definition,” Carson said at the time, according to the SPLC.

By way of evidence, Potok also pointed TPM to some of Carson’s other disputed statements: that the AP U.S. History curriculum would make high school students want to “sign up for ISIS” and that undocumented immigrants are carrying diseases into the U.S.

[Right Discovers SPLC Labeled Carson An Anti-Gay 'Extremist,' Completely Freaks]

 

[ken777]

SPLC is a hate group that takes public action against other groups for simply saying what they believe.

 

[SilverBear]

This is not the sort of things that 'hate groups', such as the KKK, or Ayran Church, would ever think to include in their preambles.

"...to protect the weak, the innocent, and the defenseless from the indignities, wrongs, and outrages of the lawless, the violent, and the brutal; to relieve the injured and oppressed; to succor the suffering and unfortunate..." From the Organization and Principles Ku Klux Klan

 

[SilverBear]

SPLC is a hate group that takes public action against other groups for simply saying what they believe.

if this were even remotely true then the SPLC would be listing hundreds of thousands of churches and business and groups as anti gay hate groups and not just the two dozen or so groups the SPLC recognizes as anti gay.

 

[SolomonVII]

SPLC is a hate group that takes public action against other groups for simply saying what they believe.

They hate ideas that they don't agree with. It is easier to label something hate than to make the argument against it.