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Featured LDS D&C 129

Discussion in 'Debate Other Religions & Faiths' started by drstevej, May 22, 2018.

  1. drstevej

    drstevej Light Attracts Bugs Staff Member Chaplain Supporter

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    D&C 129 presents a way of discerning spirits by a hand-shake request:

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    Section 129
    Instructions given by Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, February 9, 1843, making known three grand keys by which the correct nature of ministering angels and spirits may be distinguished.
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    1 There are two kinds of beings in heaven, namely: Angels, who are resurrected personages, having bodies of flesh and bones—

    2 For instance, Jesus said: Handle me and see, for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

    3 Secondly: the spirits of just men made perfect, they who are not resurrected, but inherit the same glory.

    4 When a messenger comes saying he has a message from God, offer him your hand and request him to shake hands with you.

    5 If he be an angel he will do so, and you will feel his hand.

    6 If he be the spirit of a just man made perfect he will come in his glory; for that is the only way he can appear—

    7 Ask him to shake hands with you, but he will not move, because it is contrary to the order of heaven for a just man to deceive; but he will still deliver his message.

    8 If it be the devil as an angel of light, when you ask him to shake hands he will offer you his hand, and you will not feel anything; you may therefore detect him.

    9 These are three grand keys whereby you may know whether any administration is from God.
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    QUESTION: Has this test EVER been used by Mormons. If so cite examples. If not, why? It seems to be quite important ("three grand keys").
     
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  2. Kevin Snow

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    Man's knowledge laid over and on top of God's word then taught to man will never amount to anything.

    But to the wicked God says:
    “What right have you to recite my statutes
    or take my covenant on your lips?
    For you hate discipline,
    and you cast my words behind you.

    ~Psalm 50:16-17
     
  3. BigDaddy4

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    I wonder if this "test" was used by Joseph? He seemed to think he had encounters with angelic beings.
     
  4. Anto9us

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    This seems completely ridiculous. Discerning of spirits through use of the flesh.
     
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  5. withwonderingawe

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    I have never heard of anyone using this but then this kind of encounter would be considered sacred, so a person might not share it publicly.
     
  6. drstevej

    drstevej Light Attracts Bugs Staff Member Chaplain Supporter

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    Why. D&C does not have this prohibition? Is it not strange that NOT ONE example can be sited yet this is a grand key! Certainly many claim a burning of the bosom in verifying the truth of the BOM, is that NON Sacred?
     
  7. Ironhold

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    Go back to the above bit about how people tend to hold visitations sacred, and thus not for public amusement.
     
  8. withwonderingawe

    withwonderingawe Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I have a friend whose husband was in a serious farm accident, he broke his neck but still managed to walk a half mile to get help. Some thing happened to him, something spiritual and sacred. She alluded to it but would never talk about it.
     
  9. drstevej

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    The LDS seem to make this angelic "visitation" known....

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  10. drstevej

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    and this one...

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  11. drstevej

    drstevej Light Attracts Bugs Staff Member Chaplain Supporter

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    Shake hands with the devil? What if he has read D&C 129 and refuse to offer his hand? Is everyone who refuses a handshake to be viewed as the devil avoiding the D&C 129 test?
     
  12. Ironhold

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    They're made known because that's what started everything.

    Kinda like how the visits and visitations in the Bible are in the Bible...
     
  13. BigDaddy4

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    Name one visit in the Bible that included a handshake test.
     
  14. Ironhold

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    Really?
     
  15. drstevej

    drstevej Light Attracts Bugs Staff Member Chaplain Supporter

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    You haven't come up with one yet.
     
  16. Ironhold

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    In all seriousness.

    If you or people you knew had other-worldly visitations, how'd you handle them?
     
  17. drstevej

    drstevej Light Attracts Bugs Staff Member Chaplain Supporter

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    That is off topic.

     
  18. Anto9us

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    don't the FreeMasons have special handshakes?
     
  19. drstevej

    drstevej Light Attracts Bugs Staff Member Chaplain Supporter

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    They do but not for detecting messengers from God vs. the devil as D&C claims their test will do.
     
  20. Ironhold

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    It's perfectly on topic.

    You're raising objections to how we handle things, so how would *you* have things done?
     
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