Cuomo says Trump is 'facilitating' coronavirus, urges him not to be 'a co-conspirator' of COVID-19

[Albion]

Cuomo has mismanaged? That's a complete fabrication.

People have politicized this pandemic to the point that they're blaming Cuomo for "mismanagement" while

the fact is that he has NY's numbers dropping after being hit first and hardest by the pandemic.

Nothing about that ^ makes his mismanagement a fabrication.

 

[wing2000]

Nothing about that ^ makes his mismanagement a fabrication.

The governor, unlike the president, has taken responsibility for his decisions.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Nothing about that ^ makes his mismanagement a fabrication.

Everything about what I posted makes the notion that he mismanaged a complete fabrication.

 

[FireDragon76]

Nothing about that ^ makes his mismanagement a fabrication.

Of all the states, New York, New Jersey, and much of New England are taking the pandemic the most seriously.

 

[jgarden]

It appears that Cuomo, who has no other possible target above his own rank, will always blame Trump for what he, Cuomo, has mismanaged, whether such an accusation makes sense or not.

If we notice, this latest example hasn't made very many waves, even among the news people who normally can be counted upon to act alarmed at just about anything the President does.

Apparently Trump supporters never seem to tire of rushing to his defense, but when the President makes baseless accusations such as recently accusing Joe Scarborough of being involved in the murder of an associate or announcing that Ted Cruz's father was involved in the Kennedy assassination, the silence is deafening!

The nation has a President who literally takes the "National Enquirer" and "FOXNEWS" at face value!

 

[Albion]

Apparently Trump supporters never seem to tire of rushing to his defense

Well, you need to appreciate that much of what you are referring to is a consequence of the other side rushing to denigrate or insult him at every possible opportunity.

I know from speaking with friends and casual acquaintances alike who say they are supporters that they really do not approve of everything about him. Sometimes it's a policy disagreement, and sometimes its about his manner and his swagger. For many, it was just that they could not bring themselves to vote for Hillary instead, and now they respect the country and the democracy we live in such that they cannot respect all the attempts made by her supporters to get him out of office by any means possible.

In other words, they do not give him a "blank check" although I have read many times from people who despise Trump that they take for granted that Trump voters are for him 100% in all ways at all times, regardless of anything.

Therefore, the more that he is treated unfairly by his opponents, the more that those people who support the President most of the time or who just respect the decision of the voters as we had always done before 2016, the more that they will be inclined to stand with him.

You might say, then, that the ball is really in the opponents' court in this regard, not Trump's (although it probably is too late for them to see the light now).

 

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[SoldierOfTheKing]

New York was the hardest hit state in the country, yet Cuomo thinks he can criticize Trump's handling of this epidemic and expect not to be laughed at...

Of all the states, New York, New Jersey, and much of New England are taking the pandemic the most seriously.

...that's why they fared so much worse than all the other states in the country?

 

[ArmenianJohn]

New York was the hardest hit state in the country, yet Cuomo thinks he can criticize Trump's handling of this epidemic and expect not to be laughed at...



...that's why they fared so much worse than all the other states in the country?

They fared way better than every other state in the country. What are you talking about?

 

[Brightmoon]

New York has a huge population who basically live cheek by jowl . That’s why the numbers were so high . And considering our large close living population our Covid 19 numbers are down so much that the state is reopening safely . And then there are Red states who ignore safety practices and their numbers are going up and fast

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

They fared way better than every other state in the country. What are you talking about?

Here are the states with the highest mortality rates to date, in deaths per million:

New Jersey: 1,736
New York: 1,661
Conneticut: 1,218
Massachusets: 1,196
Rhode Island 917
District of Columbia 799

Worldometer

...that's what I'm talking about.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Here are the states with the highest mortality rates to date, in deaths per million:

New Jersey: 1,736
New York: 1,661
Conneticut: 1,218
Massachusets: 1,196
Rhode Island 917
District of Columbia 799

Worldometer

...that's what I'm talking about.

That shows that we actually have fared MUCH better than every other state. We were hit first and hardest because we're the gateway to the USA, especially from Europe but also from Asia. Despite being hit the hardest, in the absolute largest population in the country, with no help from the federal government and in fact dealing with Trump's inability to even communicate basic information or do basic coordination, we figured out what to do and we did it and now we have the lowest numbers in the country.

So what are you talking about? You gave totals, not rates. We're bound to have the highest totals, we're the most populated part of the nation, as well as the most densely populated.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

That shows that we actually have fared MUCH better than every other state. We were hit first and hardest because we're the gateway to the USA,

No, we (Seattle) were hit first... and forcing infected patients into nursing homes didn't help you very much there. Neither did holding Chinese New Year parades right when the Chinese coronavirus was descending on your city.

Despite being hit the hardest, in the absolute largest population in the country,

California and Texas both have larger populations...

with no help from the federal government and in fact dealing with Trump's inability to even communicate basic information or do basic coordination,

Trump gave you one of the Navy's major hospital ships... for all the good you were able to do with it. Most of the country didn't get that.

we figured out what to do and we did it and now we have the lowest numbers in the country.

The rest of the country has a long way to go to catch up with you. Here's deaths per million for the ten biggest states...

New York 1,661
Michigan 627
Illinois 577
Pennsylvania 537
Georgia 275
Ohio 256
Florida 181
California 170
North Carolina 140
Texas 102

Worldometer

Lowest numbers? The rest of the country has a long way to go catch you.
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So what are you talking about? You gave totals, not rates. We're bound to have the highest totals, we're the most populated part of the nation, as well as the most densely populated.

I gave deaths per million. That is a rate - and there's only so much you can blame on population density. Big cities exist elsewhere too.

But hey - if you're happy with Cuomo's performance, more power to you, but if Cuomo did a good job, then by comparison Trump's performance can only be described as outstanding.

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[Fantine]

I think that Trump really believes that what people don't know won't hurt them.

He doesn't believe in testing for illnesses.

As a matter of fact, that's why he can claim that he is an amazing physical specimen who only needs one mild cholesterol medication.

Ignorance is bliss.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

No, we (Seattle) were hit first... and forcing infected patients into nursing homes didn't help you very much there. Neither did holding Chinese New Year parades right when the Chinese coronavirus was descending on your city.

I'm talking major population centers, which Seattle is not. Nor is Seattle a gateway into the US. Forcing infected patients into nursing home was a federal guideline, not a state one; the state went on what the inept federal government instructed.

California and Texas both have larger populations...

...and are right behind NY in deaths, and soon to surpass NY (especially Texas). And with Texas the tragedy is that they had NY's experience to learn from but they ignored it and made stupid decisions and now they are panicking.

Trump gave you one of the Navy's major hospital ships... for all the good you were able to do with it. Most of the country didn't get that.

Trump HAD to give us one of the Navy's hospital ships, we paid for it. And Cuomo had to twist his arm to get him to do anything. Cuomo had to go on air and put it out to the people to shame Trump into doing the bare minimum that he had to do. Cuomo had to fight the Republicans who wanted to let Americans in NY die and Cuomo did fight and beat them.

The rest of the country has a long way to go to catch up with you. Here's deaths per million for the ten biggest states...

New York 1,661
Michigan 627
Illinois 577
Pennsylvania 537
Georgia 275
Ohio 256
Florida 181
California 170
North Carolina 140
Texas 102

Worldometer

Lowest numbers? The rest of the country has a long way to go catch you.

Right now the lowest numbers because we've gotten it controlled. The rest of the country IS catching up, unfortunately. Especially red states with governors who put politics ahead of human life.​

I gave deaths per million. That is a rate - and there's only so much you can blame on population density. Big cities exist elsewhere too.

There is no city even close to NY City. And there is no metropolitan area even close to the NY Metro area. Not only in terms of size, but density also. NYC and its metro area dwarf every other one in the US, even Los Angeles which is a distant second.

But hey - if you're happy with Cuomo's performance, more power to you, but if Cuomo did a good job, then by comparison Trump's performance can only be described as outstanding./QUOTE]
I'm very happy with Cuomo's performance. He's been the leader on this from the start. He's succeeding despite Trump's failure. As for Trump, just look at the governors who are following Trump's instructions and how their states are all out of ICU beds - Arizona, Florida, Texas, Alabama, etc. If you think that's success then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

Governor Andrew Cuomo: New York just had lowest COVID-19 hospitalizations, deaths since March 15 - amNewYork

Hospitals in Florida, Texas and Arizona Are Almost at Capacity as Coronavirus Cases Surge

https://www.newsweek.com/icu-beds-running-out-5-texas-regions-covid-19-cases-pass-200000-1515992

https://www.newsweek.com/less-150-icu-beds-left-all-arizona-coronavirus-cases-spike-1516365

 

[Brightmoon]

 

[wing2000]

No, we (Seattle) were hit first... and forcing infected patients into nursing homes didn't help you very much there. Neither did holding Chinese New Year parades right when the Chinese coronavirus was descending on your city.

...what wasn't know at the time...while the country was focussed on Seattle, COVID cases from Europe were pouring into NYC airports. Flights from China were mostly stopped. European origin flights continued. The level of spread in NYC was many times that of Seattle...

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

Trump imposed a travel ban on China at the end of January. Unfortunately the EU failed to show that same measure of common sense.

 

[FireDragon76]

New York was the hardest hit state in the country, yet Cuomo thinks he can criticize Trump's handling of this epidemic and expect not to be laughed at...



...that's why they fared so much worse than all the other states in the country?

It's not over yet. Right now, Florida's rate of new infections exceeds even Italy's at the height of their outbreak back in March.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Trump imposed a travel ban on China at the end of January. Unfortunately the EU failed to show that same measure of common sense.

Wrong. Trump did not impose a travel ban on China. He imposed restrictions but still allowed tens of thousands of people to fly in from China. There was never a ban, it was only restrictions. He only called it a ban weeks/months later to make it look like he did something. It was up to him to have the common sense to ban flights from China AND the EU. It's not up to the EU to stop flights into the US.