Critical Race Theory

[JohnDB]

Please post a citation that shows that Critical Race Theory teaches that blacks are the superior race, that facts are “no longer relevant,” and a citation showing that Nazis sought equity with Jews.

You’re posting absolute lies and it’s disgusting.

It's not lies whatsoever.

If by being white means by default that white people are inherently racist and that equity should be applied...
Then because a person is white their possessions they have, due to working for them, should be confiscated and given to someone who is black. (That is the function of equity which is part of CRT) Ergo the black person is more deserving of someone else's hard earned property.
The Germans did exactly the same thing to the Jews. (Much of the Banking in Germany and Austria was done by "pawnshops" and lots of the Jews owned the majority of the pawnshops)
The Germans thought that they should confiscate Jewish property and give it to the Germans in community projects (actually funding war efforts) I know the story of one German Jew who worked with German steel to make straight razors to ship to America... when his shop was confiscated they turned it into a reeducation center and then an umbrella factory. His brothers in America gave the US Government a really good deal on American made knives and bayonets.

And between equity, inherent prejudice, and lack of actual logic and reason...it is precisely the same attitude of Germans vx Jews. Except this time it's Blacks vx Whites. (Regardless of whatever racial background the individuals come from)

Now if....
And if these advocacy groups were more about classism than race...I could see some merit (not a lot)
But because their advocacy is centered solely on race it's absolutely ridiculous. Even Joe last night stated that the Suburbs are very ethnically diverse. I've lived there...they very much are ethnically diverse everywhere in America.
So racism cannot be real but only imagined.
Classism is real. And there's the real thing that should be addressed.
But equity should not be applied.

 

[Dryskale]

It's not lies whatsoever.

If by being white means by default that white people are inherently racist and that equity should be applied...

This is where we need citations. You are taking 3 things, whiteness, equity, and rascism and making an inference using these 3 concepts. We need to see context where you found an opinion or theory based around these 3 concepts.

Then because a person is white their possessions they have, due to working for them, should be confiscated and given to someone who is black. (That is the function of equity which is part of CRT) Ergo the black person is more deserving of someone else's hard earned property.

Then please cote a person who actually made that argument please.

The Germans did exactly the same thing to the Jews. (Much of the Banking in Germany and Austria was done by "pawnshops" and lots of the Jews owned the majority of the pawnshops)
The Germans thought that they should confiscate Jewish property and give it to the Germans in community projects (actually funding war efforts) I know the story of one German Jew who worked with German steel to make straight razors to ship to America... when his shop was confiscated they turned it into a reeducation center and then an umbrella factory. His brothers in America gave the US Government a really good deal on American made knives and bayonets.

And between equity, inherent prejudice, and lack of actual logic and reason...it is precisely the same attitude of Germans vx Jews. Except this time it's Blacks vx Whites. (Regardless of whatever racial background the individuals come from)

Ok, from what I can parce here, it seems that you are projecting concept onto CRT that isn't there. CRT is critical of the concepts if race and looks to understand what society has to say about it. It is not say8ng any specific race is superior. CRT focuses heavily on how most of our concepts of race are cultural and arbitrary. A lot of CRT accedemics have spent a sizeable amount of effort deconstructing the concepts of whote and black to see the origins and what it means to be either.

Now if....
And if these advocacy groups were more about classism than race...I could see some merit (not a lot)
But because their advocacy is centered solely on race it's absolutely ridiculous. Even Joe last night stated that the Suburbs are very ethnically diverse. I've lived there...they very much are ethnically diverse everywhere in America.
So racism cannot be real but only imagined.
Classism is real. And there's the real thing that should be addressed.
But equity should not be applied.

CRT is a subset of critical theory, which is about class.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

And your assertions of "ridiculous" needs support in a material fashion. Especially since we had a black Presidency.

No, you're the one who initially made a claim here - that the laws and court rulings you listed eliminated the racial element of class disparity in the US. You provided no evidence for your assertion. But if you really want to go there, we can start with this:
Here’s What The Racial Wealth Gap In America Looks Like Today

And what does having had a Black president have to do with anything?

 

[Quartermaine]

From Wikipedia:
Critics of CRT, including Richard Posner and Alex Kozinski, take issue with its foundations in postmodernism and reliance on moral relativism, social constructionism, and other tenets contrary to classical liberalism.

Now that is beginning to make some sense as to why Trump would claim something.

Here's more:
Judge Richard Posner of the U.S. Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals has "label[ed] critical race theorists and postmodernists the 'lunatic core' of 'radical legal egalitarianism.'"[37] He wrote:[37]

What is most arresting about critical race theory is that…it turns its back on the Western tradition of rational inquiry, forswearing analysis for narrative. Rather than marshal logical arguments and empirical data, critical race theorists tell stories – fictional, science-fictional, quasi-fictional, autobiographical, anecdotal – designed to expose the pervasive and debilitating racism of America today. By repudiating reasoned argumentation, the storytellers reinforce stereotypes about the intellectual capacities of nonwhites.

So...that's more explanation than what has been given to date.

Jeffrey J. Pyle wrote in the Boston College Law Review:[40]

Critical race theorists attack the very foundations of the [classical] liberal legal order, including equality theory, legal reasoning, Enlightenment rationalism and neutral principles of constitutional law. These liberal values, they allege, have no enduring basis in principle, but are mere social constructs calculated to legitimate white supremacy. The rule of law, according to critical race theorists, is a false promise of principled government, and they have lost patience with false promises.

That's pretty bad...
All this is reminisce of the Nazis attitude towards the Jews. That kind of hate speech is illegal in most countries around the world.

I've witnessed real racism...
And where a claim can be made for classism or that a caste based society is evolving in America it most certainly is not based upon racial lines. And I've witnessed plenty of people who have elevated themselves out of their caste in remarkable ways to remarkable ends.

its pretty bad....but now the question becomes "is any of this true?"

 

[Quartermaine]

It's not lies whatsoever.

If by being white means by default that white people are inherently racist and that equity should be applied...
Then because a person is white their possessions they have, due to working for them, should be confiscated and given to someone who is black. (That is the function of equity which is part of CRT) Ergo the black person is more deserving of someone else's hard earned property.
The Germans did exactly the same thing to the Jews. (Much of the Banking in Germany and Austria was done by "pawnshops" and lots of the Jews owned the majority of the pawnshops)
The Germans thought that they should confiscate Jewish property and give it to the Germans in community projects (actually funding war efforts) I know the story of one German Jew who worked with German steel to make straight razors to ship to America... when his shop was confiscated they turned it into a reeducation center and then an umbrella factory. His brothers in America gave the US Government a really good deal on American made knives and bayonets.

And between equity, inherent prejudice, and lack of actual logic and reason...it is precisely the same attitude of Germans vx Jews. Except this time it's Blacks vx Whites. (Regardless of whatever racial background the individuals come from)

Now if....
And if these advocacy groups were more about classism than race...I could see some merit (not a lot)
But because their advocacy is centered solely on race it's absolutely ridiculous. Even Joe last night stated that the Suburbs are very ethnically diverse. I've lived there...they very much are ethnically diverse everywhere in America.
So racism cannot be real but only imagined.
Classism is real. And there's the real thing that should be addressed.
But equity should not be applied.

can you cite any of these claims from actual CRT sources?

 

[TheBear]

Critical Race Theory is a wedge strategy. It draws from Marxism. It is culturally divisive.

I'm glad to hear this news.

 

[Sparagmos]

It's not lies whatsoever.

If by being white means by default that white people are inherently racist and that equity should be applied...
Then because a person is white their possessions they have, due to working for them, should be confiscated and given to someone who is black. (That is the function of equity which is part of CRT) Ergo the black person is more deserving of someone else's hard earned property.
The Germans did exactly the same thing to the Jews. (Much of the Banking in Germany and Austria was done by "pawnshops" and lots of the Jews owned the majority of the pawnshops)
The Germans thought that they should confiscate Jewish property and give it to the Germans in community projects (actually funding war efforts) I know the story of one German Jew who worked with German steel to make straight razors to ship to America... when his shop was confiscated they turned it into a reeducation center and then an umbrella factory. His brothers in America gave the US Government a really good deal on American made knives and bayonets.

And between equity, inherent prejudice, and lack of actual logic and reason...it is precisely the same attitude of Germans vx Jews. Except this time it's Blacks vx Whites. (Regardless of whatever racial background the individuals come from)

Now if....
And if these advocacy groups were more about classism than race...I could see some merit (not a lot)
But because their advocacy is centered solely on race it's absolutely ridiculous. Even Joe last night stated that the Suburbs are very ethnically diverse. I've lived there...they very much are ethnically diverse everywhere in America.
So racism cannot be real but only imagined.
Classism is real. And there's the real thing that should be addressed.
But equity should not be applied.

So no citations, just you’re own personal theory of what you think other people believe.

 

[Speedwell]

So no citations, just you’re own personal theory of what you think other people believe.

Which appears to validate CRT.

 

[JohnDB]

So no citations, just you’re own personal theory of what you think other people believe.

I did cite...
You have deliberately ignored them.

When a Federal 7th Circuit Judge makes a ruling on something...I'm going to have to go with it... especially when the person I'm speaking to doesn't have a law degree.

Also backed up by a Law professor from Boston.

Derrick Bell is the person who is stating the case for CRT.
Maybe you should holler at him... except that he is dead. (The link on his name works... you should be able to find his book that is the source for CRT and the Judges decision)

 

[Pommer]

I did cite...
You have deliberately ignored them.

When a Federal 7th Circuit Judge makes a ruling on something...I'm going to have to go with it... especially when the person I'm speaking to doesn't have a law degree.

Also backed up by a Law professor from Boston.

Derrick Bell is the person who is stating the case for CRT.
Maybe you should holler at him... except that he is dead. (The link on his name works... you should be able to find his book that is the source for CRT and the Judges decision)

Is the United States a racist country?

If you don’t/can’t agree with that, then, yes, CRT is “all bs” and maybe dangerous bs.

 

[Sparagmos]

I did cite...
You have deliberately ignored them

I can’t find any citations in your posts, if I missed one let me know. A citation as in an actual critical race theorist saying the things you are accusing them of saying or believing.

 

[iluvatar5150]

I can’t find any citations in your posts, if I missed one let me know. A citation as in an actual critical race theorist saying the things you are accusing them of saying or believing.

He copypastad from the wikipedia page for CRT.

 

[hedrick]

Is the United States a racist country?

If you don’t/can’t agree with that, then, yes, CRT is “all bs” and maybe dangerous bs.

What do you mean by racist? One point made by CRT is that people don't have to be intentionally racist (and I think most aren't) to get racist results. Here's a long article giving some evidence: Meet the psychologist exploring unconscious bias—and its tragic consequences for society

 

[Sparagmos]

He copypastad from the wikipedia page for CRT.

Yeah I think that’s how he went from asking us what CRT is 6 hours ago to understanding it better than all of us now.

 

[Quartermaine]

I did cite...
You have deliberately ignored them.

When a Federal 7th Circuit Judge makes a ruling on something...I'm going to have to go with it... especially when the person I'm speaking to doesn't have a law degree.

check your references. Posner was writing an Op Ed piece for the New Republic not making a ruling

 

[FireDragon76]

There's no way not to be guilty.

Sort of like Original Sin? A person is born guilty from the womb? That's what most of Protestant theology preaches.

Pot... kettle... black, I say.

When facts, merit, logic, and reason are thrown away in favor of race, anecdotal evidence and assumed guilt...it's Nazis all over again with different actors playing the parts.

I'm sure any survivor of Auschwitz would find that comparison to be offensive.

 

[FireDragon76]

Surely we can think of more useful ways to engage with a question than some kind of "all good" and "all bad" binary.

FWIW, I have studied critical theory and I think its useful in some ways, and not necessarily useful in others. But in a country that obviously has a history of racism, I would rather err on the side of saying that critically looking at how racism affects structures in society is overdue.

 

[cow451]

Well with the legal scholars reasoning listed in the post above I can see why evangelicals would hate this.

There's no "forgiveness" for being of a particular race.
There's no way not to be guilty.
When facts, merit, logic, and reason are thrown away in favor of race, anecdotal evidence and assumed guilt...it's Nazis all over again with different actors playing the parts.

Godwins Law is alive and well.

 

[cow451]

People of color are entirely free to start acting like white people--it's not our fault if they don't.

That’s mighty White of you.

 

[cow451]

And what does having had a Black president have to do with anything?

He’s only half Black, so....

Any theory like CRT will have applicability, but does not define the entire scope of human social actions and thought. But it does make a handy dog whistle for someone as intellectually shallow as the President.