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Covid will go away because of "Herd Mentality"

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by Goonie, Sep 16, 2020.

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  1. Goonie

    Goonie Not so Mystic Mog. Supporter

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    Donald Trump promoting herd mentality:doh:

    “It would go away without the vaccine George,” he said speaking to ABC journalist George Stephanopoulos. “With time it goes away. And you’ll develop like a herd mentality. It’s going to be herd developed, and that’s going to happen. That will all happen.”

    I think he meant herd immunity, but he repeated herd mentality more than once
    Trump Says With ‘A Herd Mentality’ Covid-19 Coronavirus Will Go Away
     
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  2. Fantine

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    Herd immunity will vanquish the virus but how many deaths and permanent disabilities can we accept to get there.

    Here's the kind of herd mentality that will help.
    1) wearing masks--no exceptions.
    2) social distancing, no crowd events, especially indoors.

    The president could set a good example, but he hasn't yet in six months.

    I'm so glad to be a member of the safe and savvy herd. Please join us.
     
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  3. Jonathan Walkerin

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    Guess having a science illiterate leader is a great comfort for some people.

    For whatever reason....
     
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  4. Freodin

    Freodin Devout believer in a theologically different God

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    The funny thing: he's right about the "herd immunity". It is extremely unlikely that this mechanism will not kick in and end the current outbreak.

    It's what happened to every other pandemic outbreak in human history.

    What he doesn't say - maybe he doesn't know, maybe he doesn't want to - is the cost of such a strategy. Such a non-strategy.

    The cost in lifes, but also the cost in social and economical hardships.

    But whether he does not know or does not want to say... he just doesn't care.
    Trump only and exclusively cares about one thing: Trump.
     
  5. grasping the after wind

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    Since it is being inappropriately over feared because of herd mentality, I suppose Trump has made an inadvertent point here. Eventually the fear will be seen as ridiculous and the herd will stop acting as if this is the plague and society will return to a semblance of normal life.
     
  6. Jonathan Walkerin

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    It would be extremely unlikely that viable vaccine wasn’t developed before the natural herd immunity kicked in with any meaningful effect considering the resources and political effort and national prestige amassed for this task.

    It is not the times of Black Death anymore with people thinking flagellation will save them.

    Well some probably do. Perhaps same people who think herd mentality will save them.
     
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  7. Kentonio

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    Do you think the 196,000 dead Americans and their families and friends think it was ridiculous?
     
  8. Arc F1

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    We've all been exposed well most of us anyway so let's see how it all plays out. Those that are afraid can stay home and the rest of us will take care of business. If those of us that don't want to hide from the virus all die off then what's the problem? You will have an all united society with no obstacles in your way.
     
  9. whatbogsends

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    Just imagine the uproar if Biden had said this...
     
  10. Jonathan Walkerin

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    Those around 200 000 of US citizens that have already died ?
     
  11. Freodin

    Freodin Devout believer in a theologically different God

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    Yes, that too. But as Trump said: "It will go away without the vaccine."
    Well, that's not completely correct... it will subside. It will not go away. Just like the Black Death didn't.

    And that people will die for the soothing of Trump's mind... who cares, right? All that matters is that he isn't to blame. Right? Right??
     
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  12. grasping the after wind

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    The dead have no thoughts. Their families, however, might not be thinking any more objectively than you are due in part to the consistent message of doom being foisted upon the public by government and media propagandists and of course the fact they have been personally affected by the disease. Using the emotions of people personally affected by something to base public policy decisions on is not the wisest approach.

    It is known that a certain population is much more susceptible to dying from Covid. Instead of dealing with the disease using that knowledge, too many governments have decided to act as if everyone is equally in danger and cry the sky is falling thereby claiming that the dictatorial power that those government are wielding is somehow justifiable when reasonable measures that did not require government overreach would be all that was needed. There are 340 million or so Americans and a large number of non Americans residing in the US. The unfortunate 200,000 that have so far died of Covid or other causes complicated by Covid represents .00059% of the total population. The inordinate amount of fear mongering of those in government and the media is not proportionate to that percentage of people dying from this disease. For some reason those in media and in the government seem to desire the population be in panic over the disease rather than cautiously mindful of the disease and well informed as to how to deal with the situation.
     
  13. cow451

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    Herd mentality is the goal for the President. It seem that's the way the base operates.
     
  14. Kentonio

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    You're basically saying that 200,000 dead people doesn't matter, because far more people won't die. Considering a large proportion of those deaths were avoidable, that's a pretty callous attitude to take.

    As for the supposed fear mongering, do you even understand what happens if this virus is allowed to freely spread? Did you actually watch what happened in Italy and Spain where hospitals were completely over-run, bodies piling up, and doctors and nurses started dying in large numbers too, reducing the ability of the medical professionals even further?

    We've SEEN what happens if you don't stop it spreading. Stop with the myth that this isn't serious, and listen to the doctors who keep telling you that its incredibly dangerous.
     
  15. GoldenBoy89

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    What an absolute failure of a leader. He knows the problem is too far gone now and has essentially given up. He’s put up the white flag. Covid won.
     
  16. cow451

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    Is that what happened with polio?
     
  17. wing2000

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    ....not before Nov 3rd (which is all he cares about). In fact, Trump is doing his best to kick-start additional flares ups by conducting indoor rallies in Las Vegas and Phoenix the past couple of days.....
     
  18. cow451

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    Your concern for your fellow human beings is touching. *

    *cow451 wipes a tear from his eye
     
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  19. wing2000

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    ....can you cite one country that implemented "reasonable measures" and has a lower per capita death rate than the US?
     
  20. cow451

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    Neither do they wear plaid.
     
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