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Covid deaths in Florida significantly higher than official number

Discussion in 'Physical & Life Sciences' started by Halbhh, Apr 8, 2021.

  1. Halbhh

    Halbhh Everything You say is Life to me Supporter

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    Not surprising if you followed the news, but still useful to know it's a conclusive finding.

    Methods. Using seasonal autoregressive integrated moving average time-series modeling and historical mortality trends in Florida, we forecasted monthly deaths from January to September of 2020 in the absence of the pandemic. We compared estimated deaths with monthly recorded total deaths (i.e., all deaths regardless of cause) during the COVID-19 pandemic and deaths only from COVID-19 to measure excess deaths in Florida.

    Results. Our results suggest that Florida experienced 19 241 (15.5%) excess deaths above historical trends from March to September 2020, including 14 317 COVID-19 deaths and an additional 4924 all-cause, excluding COVID-19, deaths in that period.

    Conclusions. Total deaths are significantly higher than historical trends in Florida even when accounting for COVID-19–related deaths. The impact of COVID-19 on mortality is significantly greater than the official COVID-19 data suggest.

    Analysis of Excess Deaths During the COVID-19 Pandemic in the State of Florida | AJPH | Vol. 111 Issue 4 (aphapublications.org)
     
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  2. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    Were any of them fully vaccinated I wonder...
     
  3. Halbhh

    Halbhh Everything You say is Life to me Supporter

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    The analysis in this article though just published this month was looking back at 2020, Jan through Sept. So, while perhaps a vaccine trial participant might be included, it would seem unlikely. But, generally we are finding the vaccines are very very effective at preventing death from Covid 19 and more recent variants that have been seen a lot so far.
     
  4. Halbhh

    Halbhh Everything You say is Life to me Supporter

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    But of course most under age 50 are not yet vaccinated, and only a large portion of those over 50, like under 70% I think.

    We know the more contagious and more deadly UK variant is now widespread and the primary Covid around now, today in the U.S.

    I noticed yesterday I heard sirens of ambulances about 5 or 6 times during the day, while 0-1 times/day here would be more normal.

    So, it made me think of back a year ago, in April 2020, when the sirens were howling....

    I hope that is only coincidence....
     
  5. BobRyan

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    In general "any death" including a motorcycle hitting a wall - is a "COVID death" as long as the person who died tested positive for COVID -- EVEN if that person was in a low-risk-of-COVID-death demographic group. In other words .. the 25-40 group has very high infection rate and extremely low risk of death from infection. So when they die of accident or any other cause - and yet test positive for COVID - it is "a COVID Death" in ICD10 terms and COVID funds are available for health care services related to it.

    I look forward to a year in the future when they will clean up a lot of he 2020 and 2021 data to make it accurate.
     
  6. Halbhh

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    Without proof, a statement would be only like a rumor, I think you'd agree.

    So, you can help -- show me an official site like the CDC or an official state site of some state where it is the official policy to attribute deaths that very clearly cannot be from Covid to Covid as you say here. Without a proof, then it's merely a rumor. So, you'd want a proof.

    A proof isn't one or two instances of a mistake somewhere.

    Not just one or 2 coroners that are making a mistake.

    So, a few isolated examples of a mistake wouldn't mean anything.

    You'd need to show it is the official policy of an entire state, and that shown in official state documents, at minimum.

    I've seen too many hundreds of instances of talk shows or commentators taking way too much liberty in stretching the truth....
     
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  8. AV1611VET

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    That's sad.

    I'm not sure if there would be any Covid deaths at all if people would have taken Leviticus seriously, instead of ridiculing it.

    Leviticus 11:13 And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,
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    Leviticus 11:19 And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.
     
  9. Subduction Zone

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    Statistics tells us that those deaths are under reported. Deniers cannot seem to grasp the simple fact that the number of deaths each year is fairly predictable. Even with all named Covid19 deaths accounted for the death rate was still significantly higher. There is only one likely cause for that significant increase and that is that there have been people that died due to Covid19 that were not part of the official count.
     
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