COVID-19. I disagree with my pastors.

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Suppose Christians become even more and more of a minority, and one day, an atheistic governor who hates Christians and has the support of the majority comes up with a convenient excuse as to why churches should be shut down for the good and safety of everyone else. The only thing protecting us from that is our Bill of Rights which guarantees LIBERTY. Suspending the rights of people to assemble peacefully and worship their God is NOT okay for ANY reason whatsoever. Any flawed cowardly leader can come up with an excuse that sounds reasonable in their mind and in the mind of brainwashed masses as to why it's a good thing, but our fundamental liberties are not contingent upon anything but what that constitution says.

Our founding fathers realized that those rights had to be absolute. They cannot be bendable for any reason, because people are NOT inherently good, and cannot be entrusted to use situational ethics particularly when it comes to individual liberty.

People have every right to assemble when they want to assemble. And people have every right to cower at home. But no one has the right to infringe upon another's personal liberties for any reason whatsoever. Our liberties are not subject to circumstance and human reason. They are unambiguously guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States of America. Period.

And, when such a need arises, say, a pandemic, those in government have the right for the good of the people to suspend things, such as school, bars, movies and yes, even church.

If you cannot see that what the government did was to protect citizens, I cannot help you. I however realize why the government did what they did and I agree with it. I am also an EMT on the front lines in the middle of this pandemic which gives me a unique view. I guess if I was removed from it, I may question why, but I'm not and don't. I have seen why!
 
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I'm sorry but that is a pretty poor excuse and that is one that lacks wisdom to my thinking.

If masks can prevent water droplets from spreading into the air around you, then clearly it will have an impact on COVID which relies on attaching itself to such things.

If water droplets are more likely to be produced by shouting and singing, then preaching and worship as Christians know it, should be conducted with great care.

If COVID can survive for over a day indoors, then Christians congregating indoors is a dangerous thing.

From this it is quite reasonable to take that the stance that indoor Christian services are at an increased risk of spreading the disease.

And since my Pastor is a scientist currently working on developing a vaccine, and he encourages the use of masks as well as limited numbers in the church, then I think I'll go along with that.

I totally agree with what you said. Singing and preaching in a confined environment is a bad idea as regards the spread of COVID.
That’s my point. A lot of people go to stores wearing masks but when they go to church they don’t wear wear one and that baffles me. Isn’t that hypocrisy?
 
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And, when such a need arises, say, a pandemic, those in government have the right for the good of the people to suspend things, such as school, bars, movies and yes, even church.

If you cannot see that what the government did was to protect citizens, I cannot help you. I however realize why the government did what they did and I agree with it. I am also an EMT on the front lines in the middle of this pandemic which gives me a unique view. I guess if I was removed from it, I may question why, but I'm not and don't. I have seen why!
It sets a deadly precedence. One that places in jeapordy the liberty of the most vulnerable elements of society. I'm sorry that you can't see that.

If our Bill of Rights was subject to the approval of the governors for any reason it wouldn't have been a Bill of Rights. Maybe you can't get it through your head that there isn't a clause in the Constitution for suspending the Bill of Rights! It doesn't say as long as everybody is okay with it for as long as it's safe! You can't add to the Constitution later... people aren't altogether rational ...we can't believe in ourselves as a society. We can't believe that people are generally good. People are all together rotten! And the rights of the few must be protected in STONE!!!
 
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I totally agree with what you said. Singing and preaching in a confined environment is a bad idea as regards the spread of COVID.
That’s my point. A lot of people go to stores wearing masks but when they go to church they don’t wear wear one and that baffles me. Isn’t that hypocrisy?
I'm guessing they also go out and pick up snakes!
 
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So let's just force everybody to stay inside and shut everybody down because if somebody who happens to be sick gets right up in someone's face and sneezes right in their face there's a 30% chance they'll get a minor flu-like illness.

Moronic.

I mean, who would have thought that having someone get right up in your face and blow mucus all over you put you at risk if they're sick?

Oh boy that's terrible people need to stay inside. Things are really different these days. What a pandemic. Good thing we have our leftwing antitrump antibiblical globalist elitist benefactors to educate us. :rolleyes:

Here's what's up: I'm going to continue going where I want to go when I want to go there. I will never wear a mask outdoors or in church, and I won't wear one in doors every chance I get... and when I do I will wear one that's extremely thin. I will not submit to the narrative. I will encourage other people to do as I do. And there's nothing that any brainwashed leftist pompous "educated" fartsniffers can do about it. Cheers!
 
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Here's what's up: I'm going to continue going where I want to go when I want to go there. I will never wear a mask outdoors or in church, and I won't wear one in doors every chance I get... and when I do I will wear one that's extremely thin. I will not submit to the narrative. I will encourage other people to do as I do. And there's nothing that any brainwashed leftist pompous "educated" fartsniffers can do about it. Cheers!

Hmmm, I try to imagine those words coming out of Jesus' mouth and find it very difficult.
 
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Here's what's up: I'm going to continue going where I want to go when I want to go there. I will never wear a mask outdoors or in church, and I won't wear one in doors every chance I get... and when I do I will wear one that's extremely thin. I will not submit to the narrative. I will encourage other people to do as I do. And there's nothing that any brainwashed leftist pompous "educated" fartsniffers can do about it. Cheers!

And this is why America is no longer great!

We have lost our world standing because of people like above whom only care for themselves. I have been resistant to the idea we are are in the last days, but I may need to rethink that. As the verse goes, people will be lovers of themselves. The above quote from sam81 reflects that succinctly!
 
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And this is why America is no longer great!

We have lost our world standing because of people like above whom only care for themselves. I have been resistant to the idea we are are in the last days, but I may need to rethink that. As the verse goes, people will be lovers of themselves. The above quote from sam81 reflects that succinctly!
I care enough to tell people the truth. I lay down my life for the Gospel of Jesus Christ. But collectivism is a disease of the brain. No one has the right to try and force other people to wear masks or stay at home or not go to church or assemble when it's a fundamental right to do so.

You say I'm a lover of my own self... well I say you are a brainwashed sheep.

"Pro-life is baaaaaad. Homophobia is baaaaaad. White privilege is baaaaaaad. Capitalism is baaaaaaad Trump is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad"

Such people make me sick

And notice how it's always the upper bourgeois yuppie types. They like to virtue signal from their gated white enclaves. They're in love with their own flatulence.

Sorry but I don't need a morality vanguard. The left live in a bubble and I don't care what the media says. I don't care if I offend people I say what I want to say when I say it and I do what I want to do when I do it.

Boohoo deal with it
 
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It sets a deadly precedence. One that places in jeapordy the liberty of the most vulnerable elements of society. I'm sorry that you can't see that.

If our Bill of Rights was subject to the approval of the governors for any reason it wouldn't have been a Bill of Rights. Maybe you can't get it through your head that there isn't a clause in the Constitution for suspending the Bill of Rights! It doesn't say as long as everybody is okay with it for as long as it's safe! You can't add to the Constitution later... people aren't altogether rational ...we can't believe in ourselves as a society. We can't believe that people are generally good. People are all together rotten! And the rights of the few must be protected in STONE!!!
Did you know that one of the signs of a backslider is:

Aspirations for Christlike holiness cease to dominate your thinking
 
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When all is said and done, just like in 1918, post-pandemic studies will prove that masks were useless and an unnecessary source of conflict.
Evidence please?
 
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Shocking thing to read.

There wasn't a safety first clause in the Bill of Rights. Those governors who infringe upon our rights should be hung.

More to the point...wear your mask if you want. But don't try and force others to be every bit as fearful and every bit as sheepish as some people. We don't believe everything the left wingers in government and media propagate.

I don't wear a mask at all.
Don’t get close to me. It is illegal to not wear one where I live so you would be breaking the law.
 
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So let's just force everybody to stay inside and shut everybody down because if somebody who happens to be sick gets right up in someone's face and sneezes right in their face there's a 30% chance they'll get a minor flu-like illness.

Moronic.

I mean, who would have thought that having someone get right up in your face and blow mucus all over you put you at risk if they're sick?

Oh boy that's terrible people need to stay inside. Things are really different these days. What a pandemic. Good thing we have our leftwing antitrump antibiblical globalist elitist benefactors to educate us. :rolleyes:

Here's what's up: I'm going to continue going where I want to go when I want to go there. I will never wear a mask outdoors or in church, and I won't wear one in doors every chance I get... and when I do I will wear one that's extremely thin. I will not submit to the narrative. I will encourage other people to do as I do. And there's nothing that any brainwashed leftist pompous "educated" fartsniffers can do about it. Cheers!
Over 160,000 Americans have died from this “minor flu-like illness.”
 
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There's always going to be something that kills lots of people. More people have died from car accidents that don't mean we take away cars!

Anyway, people are going to think what they want...they're going to love evil and they're going to worship socialism... so to hell with em.

I'm going to preach the gospel focus on saving Souls. Just nobody get in my face with any SJW nonsense because i don't tolerate it.
 
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Over 1.3 million Americans died anyway since March....

You just tell the families of those who died of COVID that there deaths are insignificant. Let me know what the reaction is...
 
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