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Could we be healed today

Discussion in 'Non-denominational' started by 1hope, Sep 5, 2002.

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  1. Andrew

    Andrew Well-Known Member

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    chloe,

    u need to back up your statements with scripture or at least respond to the scriptures we have given, not just give your opinions.

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    Amen Pray4Israel!

    My Pastor says there are 2 ways to receive healing. By the gifts of the Holy Spirit or by the Word.

    A sick person cant only depend on the gifts of healings, becos it is as the Spirit wills. But a sure fire way of receving is by the Word. Bro Hagin calls the latter the better way -- a way which every Christian ought to know. ie find out what the Word says abt sickness and healing and then believe and stand on it!
     
  2. SUNSTONE

    SUNSTONE Christian Warrior

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    Amem

    [But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all men generously and without reproach, and it will be given to him. But let him ask in faith without any doubting, for the one who doubts is like the surf of the sea driven and tossed by the wind. For let not that man expect that he will receive anything from teh Lord, being a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.] James 1:5-8

    If your prayers are never answered, I am not just talking about healings, then "let him ask of God" for wisdom.

    I am not perfect, not everyone of my prayers have been answered, but this belief that God has showed me is working. I know this is the way, if your way isn't working, then stop making excusses and start humbleing yourself before God. May man be found a lier and God to be true.
     
  3. LouisBooth

    LouisBooth Well-Known Member

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    "That's extra-biblical teaching that the church came up"

    NOt at all, Paul got a no as did Job.


    "Tell me your personal storys of being or doing healings/miracles."

    I have seen people mirciously healed of cancer. Its totally amazing. They went in and a clear stop was found. Biopsy..meligant. A week later, do it again, and bam, its gone. God is crazy cool like that. I've seen a few healings and miracles just like that. Any other questions?
     
  4. SUNSTONE

    SUNSTONE Christian Warrior

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    Well thats good you saw one person healed.That is great and all, but do you really think that God only wants to work gifts of the Spirit once and awhile? You never mentioned anything in your life personaly, why is that?

    I heard Andrew Wormack speak this week, talking about the church that he got saved in. He said the Baptist church believes in healings, and will even pray for them to happen from time to time. But if any of them happened they would be real surprised. And this seems to be the attitude that you have.
     
  5. LouisBooth

    LouisBooth Well-Known Member

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    "You never mentioned anything in your life personaly, why is that? "

    I was deathly sick. As for other things I've had healings, but they can be explained :)

    "But if any of them happened they would be real surprised. And this seems to be the attitude that you have."

    Not at all. I expect great things from God, I just don't tell him what to do, nor do I rule out him saying no in certain cases, because its HIS will, not mine.
     
  6. Andrew

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    So basically the question boils down to can a Christian ask God for healing expecting to be healed.

    there are 3 positions you can take:

    1. God does not heal anymore (cessationist)
    2. God does heal, but its a 50-50 thing. ie he might not want to in your case
    3. Healing is God's will for all. it is part of the cross.

    most Christians take 2. but the danger is this. when u do fall sick, the devil will have you believing that you belong to the group that God says "no" too. in fact, most Christians who take 2 fight for the right to belong to this grp. strange.
     
  7. 1hope

    1hope Regular Member

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    I hope no one minds that I have been copying a lot of your posts and saving them. Some of you have really helped me with your views and I like to go back and reread them from time to time.
     
  8. SUNSTONE

    SUNSTONE Christian Warrior

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    If it can be explained, then it sounds like you got medical attention. You didn't recieve a healing.
    What about colds? Do you think that you need to be on your death bed before you can have God work in your life? A cold was the first on many things that God healed this year in me.
    How can you expect great things, if you don't see little things?

    I wasn't aware that Job asked for a healing, did he?
    We assume that Paul had a sickness, some say his eyes, but it was a thorn in his side that he was praying for.
    When the disciples failed to cast out the demon, Jesus rebuked them, why?
    Why didn't Jesus heal everyone? What was he amazed about when he couldn't heal or do many miracles in some towns?
     
  9. SUNSTONE

    SUNSTONE Christian Warrior

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    Yes we mind!! :(

    Give them back, thats stealing. How dare you learn about God's way, you must be selfish and do it yourself. :p
     
  10. 1hope

    1hope Regular Member

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    eep!!...I am deleting them as we speak.....please don't sue!!!
     
  11. SpiritPsalmist

    SpiritPsalmist Heavy lean toward Messianic Supporter

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    And to add to your point Andrew, scripture clearly states that you only get a "no" when you ask amiss.  So, according to what Jesus said, "if you abide in Me and My words abide in you, ask what you will, and it shall be done unto you."  It's impossible to abide in Him and ask amiss, therefore getting a "no".

    Pretty clear to me!  :pink:

    And weather the reader wants to believe it was implied or not Paul did not get a no.  Even the Living Bible corrected that error in their revised edition.  And nowhere, can it be implied that Job received a no.  He not only got back everything he lost but even more.

     
     
  12. SpiritPsalmist

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    I do it too  :D
     
  13. Andrew

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    quote:"We assume that Paul had a sickness, some say his eyes, but it was a thorn in his side that he was praying for."

    sunstone,

    i explain in detail what Paul's thorn is here:
    http://sg.geocities.com/saltandlight5/thorn.html

    It is not sickness or some eye disease. :)
     
  14. humanimal

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    Thing is god always tells me no. I agree with louis. God just does not want some of us saved or healed and so it does not matter what we say or do or want.

    All i get is no s.

     
     
  15. SnuP

    SnuP A son of the Most High

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    Then you are probably not abiding in Christ. I know that that sounds harsh but must of us don't remain in Christ. We spend most of our time doing our own will and not even thinking of the will of God. Jesus said that He only did what He saw that Father doing. How many people do you know that can say that? If you are in Christ than you will only do what you see that Father doing. This problem is also the biggest reason that so few people see the miraculus or healing.
     
  16. LouisBooth

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    "most Christians who take 2 fight for the right to belong to this grp. strange."

    No, we don't. I can see clearly when God says no and Satan says no thanks.

    "If it can be explained, then it sounds like you got medical attention. "

    Nope, I recieved no medical attention. I had a bump that came up on my arm, it was hard and I went in for a biopsy. They even took it out. About 2 weeks later I got another one. it went away. No medical attention at all.

    "How can you expect great things, if you don't see little things?"

    I agree. I just don't attribute getting a "cold" one day, praying about it and it leaving the next day to God. Its our body working as God intended it to to fight off infection, not some miricle healing.

    "I wasn't aware that Job asked for a healing, did he?"

    You think he didn't?


    "Why didn't Jesus heal everyone? "

    One of two reasons.

    1. It wasn't God's will for them to be healed
    2. they didn't want to be healed.



    "It's impossible to abide in Him and ask amiss, therefore getting a "no". "

    Exactly so when you ask for healing and he says no, you're not abiding in him about it.
     
  17. SnuP

    SnuP A son of the Most High

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    So He never says no when you remain in Him. :clap:
     
  18. SavedByGrace3

    SavedByGrace3 Whoever calls on the name of Jesus will be saved Supporter

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    This offering from Pastor Phil:

    "...We have a better covenant than the old covenant, the scripture tells us in Hebrews 9:10. Better. Now then Psalm 103.1-5 exists in the Old Testament. In this it tells us that God takes away all our diseases...and so if all our diseases were promised to be healed in OT then ne must must be better.

    Some people think that the only thing that has got better is salvation but Old Testament people are saved and in heaven.

    So New must have brought something new...better. And of course it brought Jesus.

    Now then Jesus is alive now and still ministering.

    He did not baptised anyone in Holy Spirit whilst on earth and yet as heralded by John as the baptiser in the Spirit.

    Hebrews 13:8 says Jesus is the same today as yesterday and if he is alive then still operating the same way.

    In John 16 it tells us that Jesus promised to send Holy Spirit if he ascended into heaven and that Holy Spirit would bring Jesus to us all over the earth some that Jesus could be manifesting in thousands of places all at the same time.

    This is to our advantage. When sickness come no need to go to Jerusalem. Might not get there. Can contact God directly ourselves in whatever area we are living in. Through the Holy Spirit.

    This good news. Jesus still heals today! Amen.

    Pastorphil ..."
     
  19. SUNSTONE

    SUNSTONE Christian Warrior

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    Did you pray for the second lump to go away?

    Colds and aches.
    Only one cold has stuck with me this year, and the whole 3 or 4 days I was praying and fighting it. The first time I prayed for a cold, it "instantly" went away, you couldn't snap your fingers faster!!
    Most of the develope so I pray for them and over night they disapear, while I watch alot of people around me get sick. I have prayed for many colds in other people with very, very good results.
    Do you pray for every single cold or ache? If it doesn't work do you still keep fighting?

    Job
    Show me where Job prayed for a healing, the only thing I remember was him cursing the day he was born, and rebuking his friends for rebuking him. Then God came and rebuked him. So show me where he prayed for a healing.

    Jesus limited.
    Show me where it says that God doesn't want to heal everyone.
    Jesus "could not" heal them because of "there unbelief", and he was amazed at it. He said "just believe", and you could move mountains. Didn't he curse the fig tree? Didn't the disciples heal and cast out demons?
    The times that they didn't succeed why did Jesus rebuke them?
     
  20. LouisBooth

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    "So He never says no when you remain in Him. "

    Exactly snup! But that doesn't mean abbiding him clears you from sickness or hardship.

    "Did you pray for the second lump to go away?"

    Yup. I did, though that doesn't discount what I did to help make it go away.


    "Most of the develope so I pray for them and over night they disapear, "

    Yup, that's your body fighting the infection at night, classic example of how great the body is. No miricle healing at all. Just a miricle of God knowing how to make a human body.


    "So show me where he prayed for a healing."

    I ask you one question in response. 1. was Job a righteous faithful man before he was struck down with sickness and hardship?

    "Show me where it says that God doesn't want to heal everyone."

    *sigh* I showed you where he didn't heal people. this was not because of their unbelief but simply because he didn't choose to do so. You can't assume things nor insert your own thoughts on the text. it simply says he didn't do it. thus He choose not to. He also in sections of text didn't want to heal the person but did so because they didn't believe that he had the power to forgive sins. That's VERY clear in his response to them.

    "He said "just believe", and you could move mountains"

    No, he said if its in God's will AND you believe you can move mountains. That's the point. YOUR faith is NOT greater then God. That's quite unbiblical and EXACTLY what the WOF people teach.
     
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