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Could we be healed today

Discussion in 'Non-denominational' started by 1hope, Sep 5, 2002.

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  1. 1hope

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    I have heard people talking about the same thing SUNSTONE. That God did not completely restore them because they would be getting so caught up in other things that they would neglect their time with him. However, my case has proven to be just the opposite. At the time I became ill, I was just getting Very serious about studying my bible, not just reading it as Ihad in the past. And I mean getting into studying the very meaning of everything in the bible. I had started making more time for God in my life. You see my life up until about 8 years ago was pretty empty and lonely. I went to work came home went to church Sunday mornings...that pretty much summed up my entire life. But I started looking for a church that I could grow in more and take a more active part in. Meet other Christians in. I had gotten into American Tae kwon do as a sport. I made a point of drawing closer to God though, so not to let anything come before him. I would always say a special prayer before class and often during classes.when ever I practiced my forms at home I listen to bible tapes. I had just gotten a new dog that I had wanted to start training. I even prayed over the DOG! As I started doing different activities in my life I found myself growing closer to God, making him a part of all of it. But when I became ill, not only did the activities stop but I couldn't even read the bible or think clear enough to pray. I remember one time I was trying desperately to read my bible, my vision blurred so much that I couldn't make out the letters. I was so upset, I through the bible across the room! I had finally found a great church too. Full of love and very much alive! The songs were written by people in the church and there was something about those song that made me want to laugh. It was so inspiring...but again the illness hindered me.
    The services were long and to often I would become ill..dizzy,confused,nauseous, I had to be taken home. I believe in my case I do need that complete healing. When ever I have asked God about it, the only thing I would get from him was “Keep pressing”. I do get discouraged a lot. One time a few years ago I asked him about my trouble and he gave me.. Joe 2:25 And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten,.
    A year ago I asked him again he gave me..Luk 18:2 about the judge that finally avenged the widow woman who kept coming back to him just because of her persistence.
    So I'm still persisting, though I do grow weary and discouraged so often...God has no gain for me to be sick, this I know. :clap:
     
  2. LouisBooth

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    "uh..you know God DID HEAL Job after he allowed Satan to attack him for so long. He blessed Job after with more than he'd had to start with
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    I agree, but it shows that God 1. allows sickness to faithful and 2. He uses sickness

    "The lack of faith mentioned in the Bible is not faith for healing, "

    Sorry Snup, there are not several differnt types of faith, that is another rationalization WOF people use to spread their sin sickness docterine.

    "Isaiah 53:4,5"

    Sorry andrew, according to you we can't use those promices in the OT because it changed when Jesus came, so try again :)


    "God is sovergn, but he doesn't want his children sick no more than he wants any person to goto hell"

    I know God quite well thanks, he is MORE concerned with your spiritual well being then your physical one because your physical body will die NO MATTER WHAT, and it will be remade. God uses sickness as the bible shows he does, Read Ecc 7:14.

    I do have things to learn, but healing I don't think is one of them. Sickness is part of living in a fallen word, not apart of being sinful. God causes and uses sickness sometimes to our benefit spiritually, and people with faith get sick, period. That's what the bible teaches.
     
  3. LouisBooth

    LouisBooth Well-Known Member

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    "My knee was hurt to the point that I needed a knee brace, not anymore. I can even play basketball, but not for more than an hour a day. "

    yet another instance of God causing or allowing sickness to improve you spiritually, it was NOT that you didn't have the faith to get healing, it was that God didn't want you to be healed for a purpose. Great example!


    "So I'm still persisting, though I do grow weary and discouraged so often...God has no gain for me to be sick, this I know. "

    Maybe not right now, no. I'd agree not ALL sickness is in God's will at this time, but some of it is and he uses it.
     
  4. Andrew

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    "So I'm still persisting, though I do grow weary and discouraged so often...God has no gain for me to be sick, this I know."

    Thanks for sharing 1hope. Again at least you know God is not the source of your problems. I mean you drew closer to him, started reading the Bible, started praying etc... so why wld God then stop u from doing all this by making u sick? Its the devil!

    Continue to persist. 2 days ago, in my care grp, a woman gave her testimony of how she was finally healed of thyroid sickness. She had asked many times, believed for many years, and then recently, one day, as she was worshipping, the revelation just came to her that she was already completely healed, and she is!

    And to not be discouraged, stick around faith filled Christians who believe in healing and the goodness of God. Sit under annointed teaching and preaching on healing, God's grace etc. Dont talk with Christians who tell u its God's will for you to be like that -- that's a sure way to shipwreck your faith for healing.

    if you are interested, i can mail u tapes and VCDs on healing. just PM me.

    God bless
     
  5. Chloe

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    All that we ask in Jesus' name according to God's will, will be done, not our every whim.  God is not our personal genie.  All Christians will experience physical death, but if healing is ours to claim, why do we still die?  Because our bodies have not been redeemed yet.  Our bodies will be redeemed at the resurrection, so ultimately, we will not be healed until then.   I fully believe that God heals, but because our bodies have yet to be redeemed, they are still in a fallen state and therefore subject to death and diseases and sicknesses.  It is wrong and unbiblical to say to those who are not in good health, that they are that way because they are in sin or because they lack faith, although some sicknesses can be the result of sin and sometimes one is not healed because they didn't pray, but this is not the bottom line.  Nor can it be said that some are not completely healed simply to keep them in line, although this can be so, again it is not the bottom line.  We will all be completely healed when we receive our glorified bodies, that is the healing that is guaranteed.

    "a. Many have wondered if James "guarantees" healing here for the sick who are prayed for in <I>faith</I>; some have interpreted the idea behind <I>save</I> as not specifically being healing, and <I>raise him up</I> as being a reference to ultimate resurrection; the reference to sins being <I>forgiven</I> adding to the idea that James is considering a spiritual work and healing, not necessarily a physical healing.

    b. Yet, the context of the statement demands that James is not <I>excluding</I> physical healing as an answer to prayer (though he does seem to be broader than <I>only</I> a physical healing); we should pray for others in faith, expecting that God will heal them, then leaving the matter in God's hands
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    <DD>i. Clearly, God does not grant immediate healing for every prayer of faith; yet many are not healed simply because there is no <I>prayer of faith</I> offered up; the best approach in praying for the sick is to pray with humble confidence that they will be healed, unless God clearly and sovereignly has made it clear that this is not His will; and then to leave the matter to God </DD>
    <DD>&nbsp;</DD></DL>c. James will remind us that mutual confession and prayer bring healing, both physically and spiritually; these free us from the heavy burdens (physically and spiritually) of sin not dealt with, and put us in line with the powerful workings of the Holy Spirit." David Guzik&nbsp;

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  6. SUNSTONE

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    If I thought like you LouisBooth, then I would still be in a knee brace, my back would still be hurting, as well as 4 other backs of people that I prayed for.
    You missed the point a healing took place, I can still do the things I want to do. One other factor is missing, I prayed for God to not only help me fight sin, but help me in my spiritual growth. So my knee only bothers me when I play "alot" of basketball. God didn't want/allow my knee injury, it was all on me. I pushed myself to hard and didn't rest, and made basketball my God. If I didn't pray for God to help me fight against sin, my knee would most likely be 100 percent.

    The other person that is sick that keeps pressing in, is told by God to keep pressing in. I can tell you for a fact that there are other factors that are keeping this man from getting healed. Right around the time he started to get serious about his faith is when the sickness came. That sounds like demonic forces at work to me, maybe there is a teaching that he needs to learn. What ever it is, if he keeps fighting he will get healed.
     
  7. SUNSTONE

    SUNSTONE Christian Warrior

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    1. In James it says [You do not have because you do not ask. You ask and do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, so that you may spend it on your pleasures.] 4:2+3

    Questions Did Jesus heal everyone? And was every healing that he did, done instantly?

    I disagree with this David guy. If your prayer isn't answered, you just don't sit back and blame God, saying "oh he works in mysterious ways".
    Get back in there and find out what the problem is, and keep pressing untill God tells you. There could be many factors to why prayers are not answered, or delayed.

    "You can either believe and recieve, or doubt and do without" Andrew Wormack.
     
  8. Chloe

    Chloe The whole Bible is the Whole Word of God

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    &nbsp;

    Actually no, Jesus did not heal everyone.&nbsp;

    And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to His will, he heareth us. 1 John 5:14

    We are not guaranteed healing or wealth period.&nbsp; Tell people in third world countries who are Christians that they are poor and sick because they lack faith or are in sin.&nbsp;

    Just like the gifts of the Spirit, they are given according to the will of God, and so God heals according to His will and for His purpose.&nbsp; If you did not believe that you were guaranteed good health and wealth, would you you still follow Jesus?&nbsp; This life is not all about us, our health and wealth, seeking all that we can possibly attain, it is about serving God and doing His will.
     
  9. SUNSTONE

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    Why didn't Jesus heal everyone?

    Do these third world countrys put God first? Do they have "In God we Trust"? Does there president ask the nation to pray?

    I wouldn't tell anyone that they don't receive because lack of faith, I would tell them it could and most likely is there unbelief.
    ["If you can! All things are possible to him who believes." Immediately the boy's father cried out and began saying, "I do believe; help my unbelief."] Mark 9:24

    This life is not about serving God and doing his will.
     
  10. Andrew

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    Chloe,

    quote:"We are not guaranteed healing or wealth period.Ê"

    i do not know what you mean by "guaranteed".
    but there's one thing that you simply cannot deny: That healing and prosperity is part of the cross -- they are part and parcel of redemption/Christ's work on the cross. It's already done by Christ whether you agree or not.

    So to deny that is to deny the work of Jesus. I gave the reasons here:

    post 39:
    http://www.christianforums.com/threads/21907-4.html

    perhaps you missed it.

    God has done everything thru the cross. Now its up to us to find out what our inheritance is as joint-heirs with Christ.

    if we say that healing is not guaranteed, then we must also say that salvation is not guranteed. if we say that God does not want to heal some, then we must also say that God does not want to save some. NO, both have been freely given, now its up to us to believe and receive, or doubt and go without.
     
  11. LouisBooth

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    "You missed the point a healing took place"

    yes, in God's time. At a point in your life God did not want you to be healed. That point for some people can last till death. that's the point you're missing.

    "If I didn't pray for God to help me fight against sin, my knee would most likely be 100 percent. "

    I'd have to disagree with you on this. There was purpose for your knee not being 100% and it is being fufilled as God' wants it. Maybe that will change and you'll get it back to 100% but for now, its not his will to have you healed it seems.
     
  12. LouisBooth

    LouisBooth Well-Known Member

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    "if we say that healing is not guaranteed, then we must also say that salvation is not guranteed. "

    This is not true andrew because one has nothing to do with the other. One has to do with sin and the other because we live in a fallen world. YOu can't link them together.
     
  13. Chloe

    Chloe The whole Bible is the Whole Word of God

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    What does having, "In God We Trust" on&nbsp;our money and a president who asks&nbsp;us to pray, have to do with the poor&nbsp;Christians in 3rd world countries?&nbsp; What is the difference between lack of faith and unbelief?

    So you think that Jesus saying all things are possible means that if I believe I will receive a Rolls Royce, I will infact receive it?&nbsp; Or if I lose a limb and if I believe it, I will grow a new one?&nbsp;

    So what is this life is about, according to you?

    &nbsp;
     
  14. Chloe

    Chloe The whole Bible is the Whole Word of God

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    So Jesus died so we could be millionaires and live to be 120 years old and die peacefully in our sleep?

    Jesus did not die so that we could attain material wealth and riches, or even so we could live to a ripe old age without a hint of&nbsp;sickness or disease.&nbsp;

    Jesus died so that we could be saved from the penalty of sin and so that we could live eternally in His presence.&nbsp;

    When Jesus died on the cross, it was for&nbsp;that which&nbsp;is eternal, our souls, for everything else will pass away.&nbsp;
     
  15. SUNSTONE

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    Why didn't Jesus heal everyone?

    The poor.
    Who are these poor Chirstians in the third world coutrys? What do they believe in? This country was founded so that are forfathers could pray and worship how they pleased. They didn't start off with money, but over time wise living helped them to succeed. I think that healing is a big enough topic if you want to start one on prosperity then do it, but lets keep this on healings.

    Faith and Unbelief.
    If you pray for something to happen, you have faith. You stepped out in faith. If you doubt while you pray that is unbelief. You have faith enough to pray, but unbelief enough to counter act your prayer.

    Rolls Royce.
    What Jesus wants you to pray for, are things that have to do with the kingdom of God. Whatever edifys the church, this is what God wants you to pray for. Nothing wrong with a Rolls, but I would never pray for one.I pray for wisdom, and that will effect my actions in financial and other areas of my life. This might give me the money to buy a nice car, I would prefer a Viper over a Rolls. :p
    But the money would be better spent, helping the body of Christ.

    Loss of Limb.
    Did Jesus ever restore a missing body part?

    Whats this life about, you ask?
    Thats easy.
    Its about a personal relationship with God.
    Love the Lord with all your heart. How can you love the Lord if you don't let him do the things that he wants to do for you?
    I go through the day talking to God alot, and he talks to me. When there is a problem, I pray. If I am sick, I pray. But for the most part, God teachs me things about the kingdom of heaven.He is a practical joker to.
    I even heard Joyce Myers say this week, how she is a walking prayer. And how she doesn't just make a time slot for prayer, but that when ever something comes up that should be prayed over, she does it right there.
     
  16. SUNSTONE

    SUNSTONE Christian Warrior

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    When should you pray for a healing?

    When should you expect it? Should you expect it?
     
  17. SUNSTONE

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    [These things I have spoken to you, that My joy may be in you, and that your joy may be made full.] John 15:11

    Thus saith the Lord!

    [My son, do not forget my teaching,
    But let your heart keep my commandments;
    For length of days and years of life,
    And peace they will add to you.
    Do not let kindness and truth leave you;
    Bind them around your neck,
    Write them on the tablet of your heart.
    So you will find favor and good repute
    In the sight of God and man.
    Trust in the Lord with all your heart,
    And do not lean on your own understanding.
    In all your ways acknowledge Him,
    And He will make your paths straight.
    Do not be wise in your own eyes;
    Fear the Lord and turn away from evil.
    It will be healing to your body,
    And refreshment to your bones.
    Honor the Lord from your wealth,
    And from the first of all your produce;
    So your barns will be filled with plenty,
    And your vats will overflow with new wine.
    My son, do not refect the discipline of the Lord,
    Or loathe His reproof,
    For whom the Lord loves He reproves,
    Even as a father, the son in whom he delights.
    How blessed is the man who finds wisdom,
    And the man who gains understanding.
    For its profit is better than the profit of silver,
    And its gain than fine gold.
    She is more precious than jewels;
    And nothing you desire compares with her.
    Long life is in her right hand;
    In her left hand are riches and honor.
    Her ways are pleasant ways,
    And all her paths are peace.
    She is a tree of life to those who take hold of her,
    And happy are all who hold her fast.
    The Lord by wisdom founded the earth;
    By understanding He established the heavens.
    By His knowledge the deeps were broken up,
    And the skies drip with dew.
    My son, let them not depart from your sight;
    Keep sound wisdom and discretion,
    So they will be life to your soul,
    And adornment to your neck
    Then you will walk in your way securely,
    And your foot will not stumble.
    When you lie down, you will not be afraid;
    When you lie down, your sleep will be sweet .
    Do not be afraid of sudden fear,
    Nor of the onslaught of the wicked when it comes;
    For the Lord will be your confidence,
    And will keep your foot from being caught.] Proverbs 3:1-26
     
  18. LouisBooth

    LouisBooth Well-Known Member

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    "When should you pray for a healing?

    When should you expect it? Should you expect it?"

    Always pray for healing, but expect to get a reply of yes, no or wait.
     
  19. SpiritPsalmist

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    That's extra-biblical teaching that the church came up with when it became politically incorrect to tell people that perhaps their prayers were not being answered because they were not abiding in Him. IOW. . .they were being disobedient, or they needed to become more informed on what the Word teaches on whatever they are praying for.
     
  20. SUNSTONE

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    Tell me your personal storys of being or doing healings/miracles.
     
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