Could the covid vaccine be the horses with scorpion stings in the book of Revelations?

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There are 4 seals and 4 horse men that are released by the angels in the book of Revelations. Could the covid vaccine be the horse that brings death? And the pale horse will be the sick people that have had adverse effects from the covid vaccine (blood clots leading to death and amputation at extreme cases, infertility (apparently there are ingredients that can sterilize humans over time), and make people sick due to destroying healthy red blood cells)?
 

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Do you mean this?

"They had tails with stingers, like scorpions, and in their tails they had power to torment people for five months."
Rev 9:15

Its about locusts, not about horses. Also, the torment was for just 5 months. So its hardly about sterilization, amputation or what else you mentioned.
 
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There are 4 seals and 4 horse men that are released by the angels in the book of Revelations. Could the covid vaccine be the horse that brings death? And the pale horse will be the sick people that have had adverse effects from the covid vaccine (blood clots leading to death and amputation at extreme cases, infertility (apparently there are ingredients that can sterilize humans over time), and make people sick due to destroying healthy red blood cells)?

In a word, no. We think of a scorpion as having a burning sting. But to the ancients the image of a scorpion was that of a thing that saps the strength. You can see an example of it in this picture. The statue depicts Mithra slaying a bull. At the bottom is a scorpion stinging the bull's testicles. But it is not inflicting pain on the bull, it is sapping the bull of its strength. Revelation 9:15 describes the scorpions as tormenting men for five months, meaning that they sapped men of their strength for five months.
 

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Throughout the last two millennia people have been trying to attribute events to biblical prophecy. Just accept that when Jesus comes back it will be like a thief in the night. For me that means live your life as if He's coming back tomorrow but plan your life as if you will die of old age.
 
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The statue depicts Mithra slaying a bull. At the bottom is a scorpion stinging the bull's testicles. But it is not inflicting pain on the bull, it is sapping the bull of its strength.
Why would an Iranian Persian idol be the key to understanding a Jewish prophecy...? :scratch:
 
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Although there are also projected famines that are unprecedented in all of human history in the future and also great tremors of earthquakes with faults that are yet to collide. I forgot to mention these two points which also ties in to the horses which bring destruction and famine.

The bible states that all of the brethren in Christ Jesus will be in the same accord, mind and heart in the end times. I don't think I might be the only one that thinks covid 19 is the beginning or near of the beginning of the end times and great tribulation period.

Even non believers do sense, feel or at the very least acknowledge that the world is ending.
 
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Oh and yes I meant the locusts mentioned in Rev. 9:15. Although the horsemen do release these locusts? Although Abaddon/Apollyon is their leader and the world will be covered with smoke into complete darkness.

I know that literally that is not happening but in the spiritual sense the world does seem much darker now with less liberties and freedoms due to continual lockdowns. Also, the white horse that is mentioned is compared by some pastors and ministers to be the antichrist I believe? The antichrist that will come in and become the "savior" unto the world who is actually the beast.
 
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Why would an Iranian idol be the key to understanding a Jewish prophecy...? :scratch:

It's not. It's just an example of how people of the time thought of scorpions. There are other commonalities between different groups of that time that appear in the bible, a liar is an example, see Rev 21:8. We think of a liar simply as someone who doesn't tell the truth. But at that time a liar was a fraudster. Someone who made a promise in exchange for something then went back on his word. Jesus even mentioned it as a grave sin:

Mar 10:19 “You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery,’ ‘Do not murder,’ ‘Do not steal,’ ‘Do not bear false witness,’ ‘Do not defraud,’ ‘Honor your father and your mother.’ ”

Mithra was at one time the Persian god of contracts, i.e., promises. Mithraism developed over time and was brought back from the eastern Roman Empire by soldiers stationed on the frontiers. There is a parallel between Mithra and Tamiel -if I remember the name right- in Jewish angelology. Tamiel was the angel of contracts.
 
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There are 4 seals and 4 horse men that are released by the angels in the book of Revelations. Could the covid vaccine be the horse that brings death? And the pale horse will be the sick people that have had adverse effects from the covid vaccine (blood clots leading to death and amputation at extreme cases, infertility (apparently there are ingredients that can sterilize humans over time), and make people sick due to destroying healthy red blood cells)?
Hi the seals in Rev 6 are not about horses with stingers. There are a hoard of locust like beings with stingers that come later on. And yes it is possible that the covid vaccine could be part of the death count which notes in order that 1st a rider on a white horse is coming to conquer and by chapter 13 he has dominion over every tribe tongue kindred and nation for 42 months. The other seals show that a days wage will be a quart of wheat and that peace will be taken from the earth and men will kill one another. The 4th seal summarizes the damage and adds a detail. So I looked, and behold, a pale horse. And the name of him who sat on it was Death, and Hades followed with him. And power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the earth.

Now if the vaccine say has an incubation period or becomes highly fatal in the future when a new element is introduced that results in high mortality among the vaccinated it is possible that the beasts that contribute to 1/4 of the earth dying off are microscopic and not the animal kingdom acting out. This idea is included in Chuck Mislers 1980's study on rev 6 that suggested the beasts very well could be bacterial or viruses. This is not to make a conclusion that it is but it may be. We are on the verge of an economic collapse that will be global so things are lining up at this time.
 
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There are 4 seals and 4 horse men that are released by the angels in the book of Revelations. Could the covid vaccine be the horse that brings death? And the pale horse will be the sick people that have had adverse effects from the covid vaccine (blood clots leading to death and amputation at extreme cases, infertility (apparently there are ingredients that can sterilize humans over time), and make people sick due to destroying healthy red blood cells)?

Dear Jason,
The Covid vaccine is not taught in scripture.

The term "locusts", who look like scorpions, is a spiritual symbol which is to be applied within a believer - meaning it applies to us spiritually.

The Old Covenant was given to prove that mankind can never be good enough to be acceptable to God. All mankind can do is try to "outwardly" appear righteous through our own works. Mankind has no power to change themselves from within. Only Christ can do that work and that is why He brought us the New Covenant. The New Covenant is spiritual and is solely the work of Christ. His work is "within" mankind. Once His work is complete within an individual, they will be truly clean.

Nearly all End-time prophecy is Christ's teachings on how He will change us spiritually. If a person applies prophecy "outwardly", they will miss the truth of what Christ is teaching. This is certainly true of the book of Revelation. The subject of the book of Revelation is the unveiling of Christ within mankind. It is about salvation.

So when a person reads End-time prophecy, they should apply its meaning "inwardly" and not "outwardly".

To find the meaning of the spiritual symbols used in scripture, Paul says to compare spiritual words with the same spiritual word used elsewhere in scripture.

1Cor 2:13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Scripture is written in Christ's spiritual language utilizing Hebrew and Greek. It is the "another tongue" mentioned in this scripture below:

Isa 28: 10-12 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 11 For with stammering lips and ANOTHER TONGUE will he speak to this people. 12 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

Christ speaks to His people (the Elect, the First Fruits of His harvest) in this spiritual language. To all others, the meaning of what He teaches is concealed so that they "fall backward". Falling backward carries the same meaning as "falling away", which is a return to works for one's salvation.

"Works" is the preferred approach to Christ that comes from our carnal nature.

Luke 5:39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.

With this "works" mindset that comes from our carnal nature, we understand scripture in a "outward" way. For that reason, carnally minded Christians will try to understand scripture by applying it to the outside world. When they err in this manner, they miss the true meaning of what Christ is teaching.

Here is an easy example using the spiritual term "sword".

Mat 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

Does Christ really mean that if you use a sword to kill others, then you must likewise be killed with a sword? Literally (outwardly), that is what He is saying. So if we are to understand it literally, then that statement can easily be proven to be false. There are countless examples of people who have used violence to kill others but then do not die from that same type of violence - it almost goes without saying. So is Christ mistaken or is His message something else?

Since His “words are spirit” (John 6:63), His message must be spiritually understood. Christ’s spiritual message is quite different from what He is literally saying.

In the verse, Christ uses the spiritual symbol of a "sword". To understand what that symbol means, we must look at how it is used elsewhere in scripture – we must compare spiritual with spiritual as Paul said to do.

Eph 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

From this verse, it is easy to understand that a Sword represents the Word of God. So Christ’s hidden spiritual point He is making in Matt 26:52 is that all who live (those being “born again”) by the Word of God, must perish (death of the carnal nature) by the Word of God.

Water baptism is another symbol which sends the same spiritual message as Matt 26:52. When an individual is baptized in water, the immersion represents the death of their carnal nature (Old Man). The ascension out of the water represents their new birth in Christ in the Kingdom of Heaven. This great work of conversion (salvation) is accomplished by the Word of God (Sword/Christ).

When we look at the verse in Revelations which you referenced and apply the same method to its understanding, we come away with a meaning that is quite different than what is commonly taught.

Rev 9:10 And they (locusts) had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.

"Tails" is the primary spiritual word used in the verse. Here is what it means when we "compare spiritual with spiritual":

Isa 9:15 The ancient and honourable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail.

With this spiritual meaning for the word "tails", we can now understand that this verse is teaching about false prophets who hurt mankind for 5 months.

The number "five" is also a spiritual word that carries a different meaning than what man's wisdom teaches. However, it's spiritual meaning is more difficult to understand. With "five", we must read many verses and then with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, its meaning becomes clear. The number five represents how we approach God, which can be either by "works" (Old Covenant) or by "faith" (New Covenant). In the case of Rev 9:10, since it is speaking of false prophets, the number five tells us it is referring to "works".

Here is what the verse is really saying: The locusts who are like scorpions with stinging tails represent false prophets who teach salvation by works. With this false teaching, the tails "sting" all who accept their teaching as truth. When a believer turns to "works" for their salvation, they "fall away" and spiritually die (fall backward and are broken, Isa 28:12). They commit the sin that leads to death.

Salvation only comes by faith alone in Christ who will do 100% of the work.

The "fifth" seal, which teaches how mankind approaches God, has been open since the days of the Apostles. Paul even warned about the locusts but called them "grievous wolves":

Acts 20: 29 -31 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.

Since this is such an important subject, we would expect that it is taught elsewhere in scripture, and it is.

Here is what Paul said:

1Joh 2:18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.

Here is what Jesus said:

Mat 12:43-45 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. 44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. 45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation

Evil spirits represent Satan's false truth. Since we remain spiritually blind after being called out from the world (Early Rain), we cannot replace our worldly false beliefs with God's truth. One "evil spirit" leaves but comes back with seven more (the spirit of anti-christ) since our house remains void of God's truth. Now, instead of "one evil spirit" within us, we now have EIGHT. The number eight spiritually represents a new spiritual condition. Our new spiritual condition is "worse than the first". Paul calls this worsened spiritual condition the Man of Sin.

After the new believer devolves into a Man of Sin, their deadly head wound is healed. The deadly head wound originally came from the sword of Christ at the time they received the Early Rain of the Spirit (time of being "called out"). That blow by the Sword of Christ was intended to slay our carnal nature (Old man) but because of our spiritual blindness and Satan’s deceptions, the wound is healed and our Old Man continues to live.

Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

As a result, we lose our salvation and are still represented in the Seven Headed Beast of Revelation. In case you are unaware, the Seven Headed Beast is a spiritual symbol for mankind in our spiritually "marred" created state. After a believer's deadly head wound is healed, they are truly "fallen away" and have become a Man of Sin who follows the ways of Satan (works), instead of Christ (faith).

"Falling away" happens because the locusts of the fifth seal are unleashed upon the "earth" (where carnally minded believers dwell). Then coupled with the spirit of antichrist, a Man of Sin is produced within each "called out" believer (Early Rain only). Their only hope is for Christ to come to them a second time with the Latter Rain of the Spirit and heal their spiritual blindness. Once they are given "eyes that can see", the truth will slay the Man of Sin whom they have become. For them, the sun will be darkened and the moon will turn to blood. No longer will their light (truth) come from this world - it will now come only from Christ. From the death of the Man of Sin within them, they will be born again as a child of God.

All who live by the Sword, must be killed by the Sword.

Joe
 
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There are 4 seals and 4 horse men that are released by the angels in the book of Revelations. Could the covid vaccine be the horse that brings death? And the pale horse will be the sick people that have had adverse effects from the covid vaccine (blood clots leading to death and amputation at extreme cases, infertility (apparently there are ingredients that can sterilize humans over time), and make people sick due to destroying healthy red blood cells)?

No, it absolutely could not, because the 7 trumpets come after the 7 seals, and the 6th seal is an event so dramatic that nobody will be able to just gloss over it. I believe that is the return of Jesus, but from the language of the text itself, the sun and moon go dark, a meteor shower, an earthquake, and people actually panic and try to hide in caves and bunkers, and they're asking to be hidden from the one sitting on the throne. I believe that is the Revelation 1:7 moment where He comes on the clouds and every eye shall see Him.
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Clouds could darken the sun and moon, and meteorites could streak through them, and the fact that after the 6th seal you have
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
There's your wailing because of Him.

But until that happens? None of the trumpets are blown.
 
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There are 4 seals and 4 horse men that are released by the angels in the book of Revelations. Could the covid vaccine be the horse that brings death? And the pale horse will be the sick people that have had adverse effects from the covid vaccine (blood clots leading to death and amputation at extreme cases, infertility (apparently there are ingredients that can sterilize humans over time), and make people sick due to destroying healthy red blood cells)?


Revelation 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.


And to them it was given that they should not kill them----And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.


The text says---in those days---apparently meaning these days---that they should be tormented five months----shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

What we need to do now is try and figure out what possibly explains this. Can't see it having anything to do with the covid 19 vaccines, though.
 
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When I look at the four horsemen, and look at them all together, (not just individually) there is one element I see that appears to connect all four together in one way or another, and that is a "pandemic". Now this is only my opinion, but the reason I feel a "pandemic" connects all four together is as follows:

When looking at Rev 6.2, perhaps this could be a reference to those in the medical and pharmaceuticals sector (include disease control and so on). White is a color often associated with doctors as far as I know. So maybe this could be a reference to the lockdowns we see around the world today??

When looking at rev 6.4, this could possibly be a reference to what we seeing today, protests, riots and so on. Thing is with riots they can get really out of control and extremely violent.

Now Rev 6.5-6 is very interesting, as it looks like something could be affecting the supply and demand, and it could possibly explain a day's wages for the basics.

Now because of the pandemic, depending on the industry, like agriculture, the farmers may not be able to get the workers because of lockdowns, you have all your farm produce going to waste and the cost of existing farm produce can end up increasing. Another point to consider the reference to "a day's wage" could also relate to some kind of "universal basic income".

I thought perhaps "hyperinflation' could be another factor, but hyperinflation from what I understand affects all goods and services.

And then when one reads Rev 6.8, look at what is happening today.
 
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How on earth would the vaccine be the sting? I had to read that 3 times before I got this was about the vaccine we made in our lab at billions of dollars of taxpayer expense, not the Chinese bioweapon that leaked out of the lab in Wuhan.

Seems that so many Christians are trying to find some way out of taking the vaccine. A year ago it was the mark of the beast, and now its the sting of the scorpions. Its mRNA vaccine, and a very good one at that, despite the few cases of side effects. I'd rather have an mRNA vaccine than a DNA vaccine like influenza any day. Once you understand the microbiology of it, you will too.
 
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How on earth would the vaccine be the sting? I had to read that 3 times before I got this was about the vaccine we made in our lab at billions of dollars of taxpayer expense, not the Chinese bioweapon that leaked out of the lab in Wuhan.

Seems that so many Christians are trying to find some way out of taking the vaccine. A year ago it was the mark of the beast, and now its the sting of the scorpions. Its mRNA vaccine, and a very good one at that, despite the few cases of side effects. I'd rather have an mRNA vaccine than a DNA vaccine like influenza any day. Once you understand the microbiology of it, you will too.

Caveat.
We have no long term data on mRNA vaccines although yes, viral vector vaccines with DNA based code instead of mRNA based code are worse because of how persistent they are.
There are additional risks to mRNA vaccines compared to traditional protein based or dead virus based vaccines.
How severe the risks are and how many there are and how prevalent they will be? Still an unknown.
For most people, they will be outweighed by the benefit of preventing severe illness (though it doesn't seem to prevent infection and transmissability of the delta variant)
But never let it be said that these vaccines are adequately studied, or that the science is settled on them. It's not. They are under emergency authorization, not full approval.
 
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At most the first and second seal have been undone by some kinda tenuous interpretations of what they mean, the first seal being deception conquering the world (we see that now) and the second not being a world war but rather just riots, civil unrest and civil war (which we definitely see now all over the globe). I could see it and it does seem to keep nagging me to recognize that possibility even though my common sense wants to assume "they'll be way worse than this"
and it requires seeing the first 4 seals as being pre 70th week events because Revelation does not explicitly say they are the 70th week.
But the way the economy is looking the 3rd seal is well on the way, between all this drought and all the fires and climate disasters, locust swarms, and economic uncertainty from governments trying to figure out what to do about Covid. There's somewhat of a manufactured economic crisis, that will result in global economic collapse (to bring about the great reset). But that collapse.. which will be worse than the great depression, sounds like 3rd seal to me.
and the global conflict that results from that collapse along with the famine and disease? 4th seal.
That could all happen before forming a 1 world government, the 4 horsemen sound like the spark that causes it to take over.

That chain of events keeps nagging me.
Even though I keep wanting to dismiss it.
 
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There are 4 seals and 4 horse men that are released by the angels in the book of Revelations. Could the covid vaccine be the horse that brings death? And the pale horse will be the sick people that have had adverse effects from the covid vaccine (blood clots leading to death and amputation at extreme cases, infertility (apparently there are ingredients that can sterilize humans over time), and make people sick due to destroying healthy red blood cells)?
No. I think people are really reading too much into these vaccines. I don’t think they’re the mark of the beast. I am also not convinced that they are fully safe, absolutely necessary for every person, or as important as a lot of people think.

But I do believe that this entire pandemic is something of a rehearsal for something much, much worse, and Scriptural. Be alert, be careful, take what the media tells you with a huge pinch of salt, and look to Christ, always.
 
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