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Could Prince El Hassan bin Talal be the AC?

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Purple Hyacinth, Apr 29, 2013.

  1. Purple Hyacinth

    Purple Hyacinth John 3:16

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  2. Douggg

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    At minute 3;35, Dr V. makes an unsubstantiated statement when he says that God has already given us the man of sin's identity. If that were true, why then just 60 seconds before at minute 2:00, Dr V. presented a long list of persons thought to be the man of sin.

    This is what I don't like about so many of these "prophecy teachers" - they go overboard in trying to capture the audience.

    If you listen carefully, at minute 4:00 Dr V. doesn't even read Daniel 9 right because he says the "prince that shall come shall destroy the city and sanctuary". When in the text, it says the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and sanctuary. The verse doesn't say that the prince shall destroy the city and sanctuary.

    Then Dr V makes a dogmatic statement that the man of sin must carry the title of king of Babylon, because in Isaiah 14, that taunt is to be delivered to the king of Babylon. If it were necessary for the man of sin to carry that title king of Babylon, then in Ezekiel 28, likewise, does Satan have to carry the title King of Tyrus? No, that's not what it implies. And Isaiah 14 doesn't imply that the man of sin have to carry the title king of Babylon. But Dr V is intent on leading his audience to a muslim Antichrist.

    Then he goes off on Daniel 11:36 trying to discredit that the king has no regard for the God of his Fathers - as not meaning that he is Jew. Because Dr V is advocating a muslim Antichrist.

    What Dr Vankoevering doesn't understand is Daniel 11:36, that king is the Antichrist in the final stage of his career, after he has been kicked out of the grave (Isaiah 14) - because of God's disdain for him because he is a Jew, compared to an abominable branch (Jesus is the righteous branch) and because he destroys his land and his people in the text - he is a Jew.

    The king in Daniel 11:36 claims to be God (not the true God of the Bible) which the Antichrist-beast does during that last 42 months. Daniel 11:36-45 is about what takes place in those last 42 months. It is not about the Antichrist's first rise on the world scene.

    Also Dr. Vankoevering doesn't understand that the covenant in Daniel 9, that will be confirmed for 7 years, is not a peace treaty, but the Mt. Sinai covenant - because none of the well known "experts" are aware that the requirement for the 7 year confirmation period is already in the bible - Deuteronomy 31:10-11.

    The title of the video is the unveiling of the man of sin. But that doesn't happen until midway through the 7 years because it is associated with the Antichrist's action of going into the temple and declaring that he is God.

    In order to be the 'Antichrist, the person must be a Jew, because he is a false Christ, messiah, which in the bible the concept of the messiah is the great king of Israel, descended from King David, who would lead the Jews into the age of peace and safety. His religion cannot be Islam.''

    Mainly what I don't like is the approach he is using. He jumps right into the middle of the Antichrist's career at the man of sin stage and tries to build an identity of him as though that is how he is going to first come on the scene.

    Doug
     
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  3. SayaOtonashi

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    His name in hebrew need to add up to 666
     
  4. Literalist

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    Dr V is absolutely wrong about his story

    No scriptural support and much speculating .... the guy should not be followed
     
  5. Purple Hyacinth

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    Thank you for this info! I thought it was bunk, but some people are really believing what this guy says
     
  6. Interplanner

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    None of this, of course, is what the NT is talking about--which is not very much of its concern anyway. John's concern about AC in the letter is purely practical, and that needs to be weighed against hours of pondering Rev for answers. AC is known by a doctrine that says the historic coming of Christ was not Messiah. That coming was for justification from our sins. Do you know anyone who is looking for a Jesus different from that, or preaching one different from that?
     
  7. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    Hi Inter, actually before the resurrection, no-one was looking for a messiah who would be savior from our sins. The messiah concept was that he would be a promised great king of Israel that God would send to the Jews to lead them into the messianic age of peace and safety. From that concept, the Antichrist will at some point in his career be perceived by the Jews to be that king.

    The Antichrist will not pretend to be Jesus - because the Antichrist will not be presenting himself as the savior from sins.

    The muslims of course, and the Mormons do have a different concept of Jesus than the true Jesus.



    Doug
     
  8. mog144

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    Simply saying: NO
     
  9. Purple Hyacinth

    Purple Hyacinth John 3:16

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    This is what one of my "friends" wrote back per some of the responses here:
    Obama has told Israel that he wants the Palestinians to have their own statehood therefore he has instructed Israel that they need to give up the land as it was pre 1967. If that happens then Jerusalem is divided where the majority of the city will lie on the Palestinian side and the third temple is being built on that side. Therefore the antichrist will be assyrian descent and will rule over Jerusalem.
     
  10. Purple Hyacinth

    Purple Hyacinth John 3:16

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    I'd love your feedback on how to address this person who responded with the above statement...thanks
     
  11. Douggg

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    The whole idea of the Jews giving back Jerusalem and returning to pre-1967 borders is against all odds, but anyway....

    How does she jump from the Palestinians having a majority of the city to the Antichrist being assyrian descent? How are those connected?

    It sounds like she has a very sketchy view of bible prophecy.


    Doug
     
  12. suzannemoore

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    please come check out my article on Prince El Hassan bin Talal on my FB page. This forum wont let me post my article because of all the links I have in the article.

    Facebook.com/suzanne912er or Suzanne Moore
    check out my notes: Is the Mahdi/Anti-Christ alive in the World today?

    Thank,
    Suzannne
     
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    facebook.com/notes/suzanne-moore/is-the-mahdi-anti-christ-alive-in-the-world-today/10151570067240105
     
  14. Purple Hyacinth

    Purple Hyacinth John 3:16

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    Wow...how odd. you just only registered today and these are your only 2 posts? Do you have google alerts on this guys name? Nothing wrong of course, just wondering how and why you popped up with your links to your page
     
  15. NaughtyNinja

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    I do not understand the fascination with wanting Arabs as the anti-christ :doh:. This is more like a sick unbiblical joke and does not even conjure into speculation just nationalist racism.
     
  16. NaughtyNinja

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    Please provide scriptural support of this claim because it is sounding more like a joe then an actual claim.
     
  17. suzannemoore

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    Yes, I have the Prince on Google Alert.... Ive been studying him since the early 1990's Dr Joe Vankovering was my pastor and my daughter is married into his family. Please check out my facebook note on the Prince along with multitude of links and scriptures to support it.

    Thank,
    Suzanne
     
  18. Purple Hyacinth

    Purple Hyacinth John 3:16

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    Okay...just wondering...So you are convinced he is the AC? You actually would say that he is? Again, just wondering, not trying to debate
     
  19. PreachingChristCrucified

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    Revelation was written in Greek.
     
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