Could a 100-year-old vaccine protect against COVID-19?

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Could a 100-year-old vaccine protect against COVID-19?

Scientists around the world are racing to find ways out of the new coronavirus pandemic. Some are working to develop new drugs and vaccines, while others are looking to see whether therapies we already have may help against COVID-19.

In the latter category, researchers have dusted off one intriguing compound in our collective medicine cabinet — a century-old vaccine to fight tuberculosis, a bacterial disease that affects the lungs. A couple of early analyses, which have yet to be peer-reviewed, have found that countries that require this vaccine, called Bacillus Calmette–Guérin (BCG), seemed to have been hit less severely, in terms of both number and severity, by the coronavirus that causes the disease COVID-19.
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The medRxiv study and another preliminary study recently published in Research Gate came to similar conclusions: there seemed to be a correlation between countries that require BCG vaccines and a reduced spread and severity of COVID-19 cases. For example, Portugal — which has required BCG vaccines for infants — has over 16,000 cases of COVID-19 but only 535 deaths whereas neighboring Spain has over 169,000 cases and over 17,000 deaths.

Similarly, Ireland, with 9,655 cases and only 334 deaths, requires the BCG vaccination, whereas the U.K. with 89,554 cases and 11,346 deaths no longer does. Based on these numbers, Ireland has a fatality rate 3.5% whereas the U.K. has a fatality rate of 12.7%.
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The second study, which also has not been peer-reviewed, analyzed how countries with re-vaccination policies — or booster shots — fared in the COVID-19 pandemic. That study found that countries without re-vaccination policies had a 5.2% case fatality rate, versus a 0.6% case fatality rate in countries that required re-vaccination
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When all data points in the same direction, that might be a path worth considering.
 

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There is a direct correlation between icecream sales and drownings.
Correlation does not equate to causation.
No, but in this case there was already a pretty good body of evidence that the BCG vaccine does in fact reduce viral infections.
 
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Could a 100-year-old vaccine protect against COVID-19?

Scientists around the world are racing to find ways out of the new coronavirus pandemic. Some are working to develop new drugs and vaccines, while others are looking to see whether therapies we already have may help against COVID-19.

In the latter category, researchers have dusted off one intriguing compound in our collective medicine cabinet — a century-old vaccine to fight tuberculosis, a bacterial disease that affects the lungs. A couple of early analyses, which have yet to be peer-reviewed, have found that countries that require this vaccine, called Bacillus Calmette–Guérin (BCG), seemed to have been hit less severely, in terms of both number and severity, by the coronavirus that causes the disease COVID-19.
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The medRxiv study and another preliminary study recently published in Research Gate came to similar conclusions: there seemed to be a correlation between countries that require BCG vaccines and a reduced spread and severity of COVID-19 cases. For example, Portugal — which has required BCG vaccines for infants — has over 16,000 cases of COVID-19 but only 535 deaths whereas neighboring Spain has over 169,000 cases and over 17,000 deaths.

Similarly, Ireland, with 9,655 cases and only 334 deaths, requires the BCG vaccination, whereas the U.K. with 89,554 cases and 11,346 deaths no longer does. Based on these numbers, Ireland has a fatality rate 3.5% whereas the U.K. has a fatality rate of 12.7%.
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The second study, which also has not been peer-reviewed, analyzed how countries with re-vaccination policies — or booster shots — fared in the COVID-19 pandemic. That study found that countries without re-vaccination policies had a 5.2% case fatality rate, versus a 0.6% case fatality rate in countries that required re-vaccination
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When all data points in the same direction, that might be a path worth considering.


That's interesting I had my BCG in the UK about 1983 - didn't know they no longer administered it here.

It could be something worth looking into.

Figures for case fatality rate however are unreliable unless there has also been a randomised testing of the healthy population to validate the real spread of the virus.
 
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There is a direct correlation between icecream sales and drownings.
Correlation does not equate to causation.

Beginning an inquiry based on correlations that might point you in the direction of a causation isn't a problem. Jumping directly from correlation to causation is the problem.

Every causation is going to be correlated (which will usually be easier to see), and every correlation has a cause, whether useful or not.
 
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One thing to keep in mind is that BCG is a live vaccine. Bacillus Calmette-Guerin is an attenuated, but living TB bacterium. It stimulates an immune response in healthy people, but it can cause TB in immunocompromised patients. Many Covid-19 patients already have weakened immune systems. BCG is worth considering, but it likely has limitations.
 
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My dad received BCG years ago as a treatment for bladder cancer. They made a big deal about the fact he'ld show up positive on TB tests.

It is my understanding that BCG could potentially reduce the severity of COVID-19, but it wouldn't necessarily prevent it altogether. It would be an interim step until a real vaccine could be produced.
 
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