Coronavirus spreading fast

[Gary K]

The lead scientist at Hong Kong University, who was also deeply involved with the SARS outbreak from a few years ago, and is thus a highly qualified person to speak on pandemics has come out and personally questioned whether the government of China is being truthful in it's reports of coronavirus victims and deaths. He is estimating that the coronavirus could infect up to 60-80% of humanity, and with a fatality rate of even 1% that means it could kill approximately 51 milllion people world wide.

Is Leung correct in his estimate? Nobody knows for sure but he's an authority of the subject and should be taken seriously for he has basically put his own life on the line by questioning the Chinese government's reporting.

The city of Hong Kong and its 7 million+ residents have reason to be extremely anxious about the nCoV outbreak that has already caused more than 1,000 deaths on the mainland. Back in 2003, SARS ripped through the densely populated largely autonomous city and killed some 300 people, nearly half the total death toll from the outbreak.

Professor Gabriel Leung, the chair of public health medicine at Hong Kong University, was one of the first officials anywhere in China to suggest that the government was hiding, or simply hadn't yet confirmed, the true extend of the outbreak.

Though Beijing has been touting a 'slowdown' in the number of newly diagnosed cases, few believe that the outbreak has actually crested, even as a huge percentage of the population in the world's largest country has spent the last week huddled inside.

This is an article worth reading in it's entirety. You can find it at the link below.

Hong Kong Coronavirus Expert Warns Outbreak Could Infect "Between 60%-80%" Of Humanity, Causing 51 Million Deaths

 

[Gary K]

Chinese state-controlled media says that if someone enters an environment where the coronavirus is concentrated, such as a room with mulitple people infected with it, that the person entering that environment without a hazmat suit will be infected in 2 seconds. Why do I say hazmat suit? This virus is so infectious that a person can catch in through the eyes and other openings within the body. Even the ears are suspected of being possible points of infection.

I have only quoted a small part of this article so I'd recommend following the link that follows the quote and reading the rest of it. There are a wide range of updated reports on this page.

Update (0915ET): Even China's state-controlled press is beginning to sound alarmist as it becomes increasingly clear that the epidemic is anything but 'contained'.

How contagious is the deadly #coronavirus? It could take a mere 2 seconds for someone to contract it in areas with high concentration of the virus if they're not wearing protective gear: Wang Guiqiang, doctor of infectious diseases in Beijing. #COVID19 pic.twitter.com/NxhsXjqXhO

— The Business Source (@GlobalTimesBiz) February 13, 2020
Meanwhile China's CDC has reportedly declared 'War Time Status' to authorize war-time conditions on quarantine, supplies, management and, of course, control & discipline.

War Time Status Declared by #Beijing CDC to ensure wartime standards for enforcement of awareness, quarantine, material supply, management and control, disciplines, etc. #COVID2019 #Coronavirus #武汉肺炎 #新冠肺炎
北京市疾控中心党委发布战时状态令https://t.co/2P7lgQcpy4

— 曾錚 Jennifer Zeng (@jenniferatntd) February 13, 2020

Reporter Claims Authorities 'Hiding' 300 Coronavirus Cases & 1 Death In Shanghai

 

[Gary K]

The coronavirus is not a one shot infection. It can come back and reinfect someone who has already had it. If and when it does it can cause sudden heart attacks because the drugs being used to treat it damage the heart. The incubation period is also suspect as Chinese doctors are finding that the incubation times can be anywhere from 1 to 24 days, meaning that a 14 day quarantine is inadequate to stop the spread of the virus.

Taiwan Times that it's possible to become reinfected by the virus, leading to death from sudden heart failure in some cases.

"It’s highly possible to get infected a second time. A few people recovered from the first time by their own immune system, but the meds they use are damaging their heart tissue, and when they get it the second time, the antibody doesn’t help but makes it worse, and they die a sudden death from heart failure," reads a message forwarded to Taiwan News from a relative of one of the doctors living in the United Kingdom.

The source also said the virus has “outsmarted all of us,” as it can hide symptoms for up to 24 days. This assertion has been made independently elsewhere, with Chinese pulmonologist Zhong Nanshan (鍾南山) saying the average incubation period is three days, but it can take as little as one day and up to 24 days to develop symptoms.



Also, the source said that false negative tests for the virus are fairly common. “It can fool the test kit – there were cases that they found, the CT scan shows both lungs are fully infected but the test came back negative four times. The fifth test came back positive.” -Taiwan Times

Notably, one of the ways coronaviruses cripple the immune system is via an HIV-like attachment to white blood cells, which triggers a 'cytokine storm' - a term popularized during the avian H5N1 influenza outbreak - in which an uncontrolled release of inflammatory 'cytokines' target various organs, often leading to failure and in many cases death.

The cytokine storm is best exemplified by severe lung infections, in which local inflammation spills over into the systemic circulation, producing systemic sepsis, as defined by persistent hypotension, hyper- or hypothermia, leukocytosis or leukopenia, and often thrombocytopenia.

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In addition to lung infections, the cytokine storm is a consequence of severe infections in the gastrointestinal tract, urinary tract, central nervous system, skin, joint spaces, and other sites. (Tisoncik, et. al, Into the Eye of the Cytokine Storm)(2012)

The rest of this article can be found at the following link.

Hubei Doctors Warn Of Even-Deadlier Coronavirus Reinfection Causing Sudden Heart Attacks

 

[Gary K]

Here's an interesting article on the detection of the coronavirus. The CDC says the tests do not work.

NY Times, Miami Herald, NBC, and other outlets are reporting the story.

The Herald: “The CDC sent novel coronavirus testing kits to Florida. They might not work.” (Feb 12., 2020):

“The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Wednesday morning said issues [problems] with the tests the agency has developed for the respiratory illness spreading rapidly through China surfaced after they were sent out to state labs…Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said federal officials believe the issue [problem] stems from one substance used in the test that ‘wasn’t performing consistently.’ She said the federal agency was remanufacturing that agent to try to correct the problem.”

I have news. Correcting those flaws in the test won’t make any difference. The test, as I reported days ago (and, see also here), CAN’T WORK.

Why? Because, as the CDC mentions on its website, the test is a version of the PCR. Technicians take a small specimen from a patient that might contain a virus. If it does, the virus particle(s) would be much too small to observe or analyze. The test then amplifies the specimen many times—as you would blow up a photograph—until a virus, if present, can be observed and—supposedly—identified.

There is just one flaw, and it’s fatal. The test says nothing reliable about HOW MUCH virus is in the patient’s body. Why is this important? Because millions and millions of virus, actively replicating in the body, are necessary to even begin talking about the virus causing disease. A few vague viral particles floating around in the body are irrelevant.

The rest of this article can be found at the following link.

CDC Announces That Test Kits for Coronavirus Don't Work

 

[Gary K]

The following interview of Chris Martenson, who has a Ph.D in a medical field and a Masters in Economics/Financial systems is very interesting and informative. It delves into the possible effects of the coronavirus on our every day lives, our jobs, our food and water supplies, and our national economy. This is pretty much a must watch video as he goes into the basic preparations we need to take for what can come for if we make no preparations and the worst proves true we are going to be in very serious trouble financially, food supply-supply wise, drinking water, types of masks, etc.... It also goes into just how infectious this virus actually is. SARS could infect you out to a distance of 6-8 feet as it could be transmitted by water droplets. The coronavirus is aerosolized meaning it can float clear across a large room and infect you.

The website of the interviewer has more information and links to Martenson's website that has a lot of info on the coronavirus.

Covid19 Real Beast Causing Dangerous Pandemic – Chris Martenson | Greg Hunter's USAWatchdog

 

[BobRyan]

400 million on some form of lockdown in China as of the past few days

 

[BobRyan]

This doesn't look good...
"China warns coronavirus can spread before symptoms show

Rising toll: 80 people are dead and more than 2,700 cases have been confirmed in mainland China, as the Wuhan coronavirus continues to spread throughout Asia and the rest of the world.
China on lockdown: Nearly 60 million people have been affected by partial or full lockdowns in Chinese cities as the country's government steps up its response.

400 Million lockdow/quarantine in China as of a few days ago. Larger than the entire US population

 

[Gary K]

China is re-quarantining "cured" coronavirus patients as they are finding out that those who have "recovered" still have the disease in their systems and can possibly infect those who have never had it.

Authorities in the Chinese city of Wuhan introduced a 14-day mandatory quarantine this weekend for patients who had supposedly recovered from the coronavirus after some discharged patients again tested positive for the disease.

Saturday afternoon, all patients who had recovered and been discharged were forced to return to quarantine, the city’s coronavirus treatment and control command center announced on the Chinese social media site Weibo.

The new arrangements were announced after disease control experts warned that those who had supposedly made a recovery from the virus may have not done so after all and may still carry the virus and present a consequent contagion risk.

Wuhan and the wider Hubei province continue to account for the vast majority of coronavirus cases across China where around 78,000 people have been infected and nearly 2,500 have died. Many have questioned these official figures from the Communist Party.

Some experts warned that the current way by which Chinese doctors define when a patient is “cured” may be insufficient. Zhao Jianping, a doctor in Hubei, explained to Southern People Weekly last week that the issue was causing major difficulties as resources are already stretched.

“This is dangerous,” he said. “Where do you put those patients? You cannot send them home, because they might infect others, but you cannot put them in the hospital because resources are stretched.”

The rest of this article can be read at the following link.

China Re-Quarantines 'Cured' Coronavirus Patients

 

[Gary K]

An Iranian lawmaker from the city of Qom spoke before the Iranian parliament and said that the city of Qom has had 50 deaths from the cornavirus. The Iranian government says that in the entire country only 13 people have died.

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates —

A staggering 50 people have died in the Iranian city of Qom from the new coronavirus this month, a lawmaker was quoted as saying on Monday, even as the Health Ministry insisted only 12 deaths have been recorded to date in the country.

The new death toll reported by the Qom representative, Ahmad Amiriabadi Farahani, is significantly higher than the latest number of nationwide confirmed cases of infections that Iranian officials had reported just a few hours earlier, which stood at 12 deaths out of 47 cases, according to state TV.

Health Ministry spokesman Iraj Harirchi rejected the Qom lawmaker's claims, insisting the death toll from the virus remains at 12.

However, he raised the number of confirmed cases from the virus to 61. About 900 other suspected cases are being tested, he said.

"No one is qualified to discuss this sort of news at all," Haririchi said, adding that lawmakers have no access to coronavirus statics and could be mixing figures on deaths related to other diseases like the flu with the new virus, which first emerged in China in December.

Still, the number of deaths compared to the number of confirmed infections from the virus is higher in Iran than in any other country, including China and South Korea, where the outbreak is far more widespread.

Farahani, the lawmaker from Qom, was quoted in local media saying more than 250 people are quarantined in the city, which is a popular place of religious study for Shiites from across Iran and other countries. He spoke after a session in parliament in Tehran on Monday, and was quoted by ILNA and other semi-official news agencies.

The lawmaker said the 50 deaths date as far back as Feb. 13. Iran first officially reported cases of the virus and its first deaths in Qom on Feb. 19.

Iran lawmaker says 50 dead from new virus in city of Qom

 

[Gary K]

400 Million lockdow/quarantine in China as of a few days ago. Larger than the entire US population

And that is if we are to accept everything the Chinese government is reporting at face value. A bunch of what they have said has already been proven to be false.

As everything they announce tends to minimize the damage the virus has done I question whether their numbers reflect the reality. The government faces a severe financial crisis from the effects already so they would have an incentive to try to minimize the impact of the vitus.

 

[SaintCody777]

The Coronavirus may very well be a bioweapon to used to shut down the Hong Kong protests. The question of whether this Coronavirus is going to unleash it's plague on this country is "not a matter of IF but a matter of WHEN, in spite of quarantine efforts, though it does buy us time to prepare.
I was born in the 1995, and my parents were born in the 50s. So while I may not have ever experienced the polio outbreak of the 1950s in the US and my parents were not crippled with it, praise be to God. But as I read on how the country handled the worst summer plagues in the early 50s, it makes me wonder if this is how the US government and state health officials are going to deal with the Chinese Coronavirus, except with modern medical technology we have today and without all the iron lungs, crutches, and wheelchairs for those newly paralyzed by the disease.
I got a really bad virus during a vacation in Orlando when I was 14. After I got better from the virus, I was tested for the H1N1 Swine Flu but it just turned out to be a regular flu. I kind of misheard it as swine flu and the doctor who told me that I had the flu seemed like he had little concern. But I fully recovered and I had no pneumonia or nasty complications.
I'm actually more scared of AFM, which is like Polio, than the Coronavirus. AFM infections have peaked every 2 years for like 6 years now. Though it's rare, it's an odd year, during the summer, where it peaks. Therefore, this summer is my bigger concern, compared to the new Coronavirus that's wrapping around the globe.

 

[Cimorene]

I am praying for everybody around the world who is impacted by this, praying by all the nurses & doctors & other ppl working so so so hard, praying for everybody who is sick & scared.

 

[reddogs]

400 million on some form of lockdown in China as of the past few days

We knew this was coming, and the signs will just keep coming as we hit the last days.

 

[BobRyan]

We knew this was coming, and the signs will just keep coming as we hit the last days.

CDC is warning that US schools will be shut down and travel restricted in the coming months.

CDC warns Americans: Prepare for Coronavirus

I heard a report today that infections outside China are now higher in number than those inside China.

But I cannot confirm the report -
Coronavirus Deaths Explode Outside of China as Global Infections Top 80,000

 

[Gary K]

Leaked Chinese government documents say China is severely underreporting both infections and deaths related to the coronavirus. This is reported by The Epoch Times which has close ties to Chinese citizens.

They are also reporting that between 50 and 70 percent of those who have tested negative are in reality infected.

The novel coronavirus outbreak in eastern China’s Shandong province is much worse than the officially reported, according to a series of internal government documents obtained by The Epoch Times.

Between Feb. 9 to 23, Shandong authorities underreported the number of infections every day, according to internal data compiled by the Shandong Centers for Disease Prevention and Control (CDC). The latter kept a tally of the number of patients who tested positive for the virus during nucleic acid testing—using a diagnostic kit to test body samples and detect whether they contain the virus’s genetic sequence.

The Shandong CDC daily new infection numbers ranged from being 1.36 times to 52 times greater than the officially published data by the Shandong health commission and China’s National Health Commission.

As of Feb. 25, the Shandong government stated that there were a total of 755 infections in the province. But the internal document showed that 1,992 people had tested positive for the virus via nucleic acid testing as of Feb. 23.

The government publicly stated that there were four newly diagnosed coronavirus patients on Feb. 22, but the internal document said that 61 patients were diagnosed with the virus that day.

In recent days, official data has shown new infections leveling off. For example, on Feb. 25, the National Health Commission reported only a total of nine new diagnosed cases outside of Hubei province, where the outbreak is most severe.

In fact, Shandong alone had new infections in the double digits daily. On Feb. 20, new infections spiked, with 274 testing positive.

To date, this is the most definitive evidence that Chinese authorities routinely underreport cases. Previously, The Epoch Times interviewed staff at funeral homes in the city of Wuhan, the capital of Hubei, who said they had to work round the clock in order to keep up with the dramatic increase in workload.

Health experts have also hypothesized that Chinese official figures are inaccurate, based on their statistical modeling. Recently, a group of American researchers published a study, not yet peer-reviewed, in which they suggested cumulative infections and deaths in China could be “substantially higher” than officially stated—by a factor of 5 to 10.

U.S.-based China commentator Tang Jingyuan told The Epoch Times that authorities reporting fewer infections was likely a tactic to convince Chinese citizens that the virus’s spread was contained and thus, it would be safe to return to work.

The link to the entire article is found below.

Leaked Docs Reveal Covid-19 Infections Up To 52 Times Higher Than 'Official' Figures In China's Shandong Province

 

[Gary K]

The Coronavirus may very well be a bioweapon to used to shut down the Hong Kong protests. The question of whether this Coronavirus is going to unleash it's plague on this country is "not a matter of IF but a matter of WHEN, in spite of quarantine efforts.
I was born in the 1995, and my parents were born in the 50s. So while I may not have ever experienced the polio outbreak of the 1950s in the US and my parents were not crippled with it, praise be to God. But as I read on how the country handled the worst summer plagues in the early 50s, it makes me wonder if this is how the US government and state health officials are going to deal with the Chinese Coronavirus, except with modern medical technology we have today and without all the iron lungs, crutches, and wheelchairs for those newly paralyzed by the disease.
I got a really bad virus during a vacation in Orlando when I was 14. After I got better from the virus, my doctor told me that I had the H1N1 Swine Flu.
I'm actually more scared of AFM, which is like Polio, than the Coronavirus. AFM infections have peaked every 2 years for like 6 years now. Though it's rare, I'm actually much more afraid of AFM than the Coronavirus.

Thanks for posting this. I had never heard of AFM before so had no idea what it was and had to go some research on it. It is truly scary, but fortunately it doesn't seem to be highly contagious.

In my research into coronavirus I've learned some very interesting things about bioweapons. They have been released on us several times here in the US. Lyme's disease? It was released from the Plum Island military base and bioweapons research lab. Hoof and mouth disease is another bioweapons disease released from a bioweapons lab.

To those of you who are extremely sceptical of such statements remember the deliberate releases of radioactive material back in the 40s and 50s from the Hanford nuclear plant? Those were tests to see the effects of radiation on US citizens. The military wanted to know what the effects of a radioactive attack on an enemy would look like and accomplish. So do not be surprised at our own military releasing bioweapons on us.

I am a "downwinder". I was born downwind of Hanford during those tests and so were a lot of my friends. The rates of certain types of cancer in the area are much higher than other places. If you're sceptical of this do some searching for Hanford and downwinders. You'll find documentation from the trials where citizens sued the government about this, and won.

 

[reddogs]

Well, we might as well shut off our Apple IPads and other electronics, pull out our camping supplies, and pop our tents in the forest, as CNN is basically saying the world as we know it is over....

"Hong Kong / London (CNN Business)Global stock markets plummeted for a seventh consecutive day on Friday as the coronavirus continued to spread, increasing fears that the epidemic will wipe out corporate profits and push some of the world's biggest economies into recession.

China's Shanghai Composite (SHCOMP) closed down 3.7%, bringing losses for the week to 5.6%, the index's worst performance since April 2019. Japan's Nikkei (N225) ended down 3.7% and benchmark indexes in Australia and South Korea both shed 3.3%.

European stocks suffered even greater losses, with Germany's DAX (DAX) dropping as much as 5% in early trading and London's FTSE 100 (UKX) shedding 4.4%. In Italy, where 17 people have now died as a result of the virus, the benchmark FTSE MIB index was down nearly 4%.

US stock futures were also sharply lower Friday, suggesting that the country's three main indexes will resume their plunge after a sharp sell-off on Thursday during which the Dow suffered its worst ever points loss, dropping 1,191 points, or 4.4%. The S&P 500 suffered a similar fall and has slid more than 10% from its recent peak....
The corporate warnings paint a dire picture of the effect that the coronavirus is having on some of the world's biggest economies. Growth in China is expected to slow significantly, and other economies such as Japan and Germany could slide into recession as the outbreak compounds weakness caused by factors including the trade war between the United States and China.
If the coronavirus outbreak becomes a global pandemic, $1 trillion could be wiped off the world economy, with recessions in the United States and the eurozone, according to economists at Oxford Economics. "
FTSE 100 and other global stocks plummet again on coronavirus fears - CNN

 

[Gary K]

Well, we might as well shut off our Apple IPads and other electronics, pull out our camping supplies, and pop our tents in the forest, as CNN is basically saying the world as we know it is over....

"Hong Kong / London (CNN Business)Global stock markets plummeted for a seventh consecutive day on Friday as the coronavirus continued to spread, increasing fears that the epidemic will wipe out corporate profits and push some of the world's biggest economies into recession.

China's Shanghai Composite (SHCOMP) closed down 3.7%, bringing losses for the week to 5.6%, the index's worst performance since April 2019. Japan's Nikkei (N225) ended down 3.7% and benchmark indexes in Australia and South Korea both shed 3.3%.

European stocks suffered even greater losses, with Germany's DAX (DAX) dropping as much as 5% in early trading and London's FTSE 100 (UKX) shedding 4.4%. In Italy, where 17 people have now died as a result of the virus, the benchmark FTSE MIB index was down nearly 4%.

US stock futures were also sharply lower Friday, suggesting that the country's three main indexes will resume their plunge after a sharp sell-off on Thursday during which the Dow suffered its worst ever points loss, dropping 1,191 points, or 4.4%. The S&P 500 suffered a similar fall and has slid more than 10% from its recent peak....
The corporate warnings paint a dire picture of the effect that the coronavirus is having on some of the world's biggest economies. Growth in China is expected to slow significantly, and other economies such as Japan and Germany could slide into recession as the outbreak compounds weakness caused by factors including the trade war between the United States and China.
If the coronavirus outbreak becomes a global pandemic, $1 trillion could be wiped off the world economy, with recessions in the United States and the eurozone, according to economists at Oxford Economics. "
FTSE 100 and other global stocks plummet again on coronavirus fears - CNN

The coronavirus has something to do with the stockmarkets around the world going down, but the economies of the entire world have been balancing on a knife edge for quite a while. The real issue is the debt. World wide government debt, excluding unfunded liabilities, is in excess of $250 trillion. You add to that the deriviatives held by the banking systems around the world estimated to be at about $350 trillion and we truly have a situation where it is mathematically impossible to pay off the debts. The entire world is bankrupt.

If the central banks were to raise interbank interest rates even a small amount, 1 or 2%, the interest due on derivatives would bankrupt the entire banking system as the banks couldn't even pay the interest on the derivatives they hold. In the US the Fed has been dumping massive amounts of money into the banking system to keep it afloat. They said they were going to stop doing that in December because the cash shortage was only a temporary event but lo and behold they are still doing it and even increasing the money flow. That's how close the US banking system is to a collapse, outside of the coronavirus situation and the most likely stopping of the supply chains to manufactures for several months. Meaning the store shelves are going to be empty or just about everything as our entire manufacturing system is based upon just-in-time supply of parts and material which keeps manufacturing inventories low. How the corporations are going to absorb a several month delay in parts and material and keep on manufacturing I don't know, and what's more is neither do they.

 

[mama2one]

warmer weather is coming

the flu tends to go away with warmer weather
this virus might also go away then

there are articles explaining why respiratory viruses are worse in cold weather

 

[Gary K]

warmer weather is coming

the flu tends to go away with warmer weather
this virus might also go away then

there are articles explaining why respiratory viruses are worse in cold weather

I would hope that you're right. However, we are not dealing with a naturally occuring flu in dealing with this coronavirus. It is a virus intentionallly modified by humans to make it much more dangerous. It is a bioweapon. It has part of the HIV DNA inserted into it's DNA structure.