Coronavirus : A Letter From the Holy Mountain

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I just happened a long this, and I wanted to share it with you all as there have been some discussions regarding Coronavirus, and Mt. Athos. This is a letter being read from Elder Evthymios of the Kelli of the Resurrection in Kapsala on Mt. Athos.

 

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I suppose Mt. Athos is largely self-governing but under the civil authority of Greece. So I don't know what they do there with vaccinations. In the US, the idea that a vaccine would be required by law seems laughable...or did the Elder mean that the bishops would require it of them? I didn't follow, I guess.
 
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When I pilgrimaged to Mount Athos a few years back, I asked several monks from different monasteries where could I find a great and holy elder to visit on the Holy Mountain, and everyone of them suggested I go seek out Elder Evthymios in Kapsala. He is considered by many to be the spiritual successor to St. Paisios and amongst the holiest men alive. Unfortunately, I was not able to meet him because he allows limited visitors. With that said, I would heavily consider anything he has to say about this crisis and with what mindset we should approach it with.
 
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I'm not going to pretend to be more intelligent and informed on the matter than Elder Evthymios, but my position has simply been this: As Orthodox Christians we shouldn't fear illness or death. We should attend the Liturgy and partake of the Eucharist with full confidence and trust, knowing that God has the final say on all matters and nothing will be without it being God's will. With that said, we know that Coronavirus spreads easily and rapidly. It's been documented that people going to church are sometimes becoming ill and passing the illness to others in their communities, sometimes causing not only their own death, but the deaths of innocent people who aren't even Orthodox or any other faith, who wouldn't have made this decision for themselves. God doesn't force himself on anyone, but it's as if we're forcing contamination on people who made the choice not to have anything to do with God. To me it seems better and more loving to keep our neighbors and communities in mind and sacrifice the Liturgy and Eucharist in order to keep others safe and without having to suffer the consequences of our actions and decisions. Let the Holy men of Mount Athos and other such people in other such places keep the Liturgy alive and well in our absence. This is only my opinion.

In the 11th century, the Muslim Caliph Al-Hakim -- the same Caliph who desecrated the Church of the Resurrection/Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem, the catalyst for Pope Urban II to call for the First Crusade -- decreed the closure of all Churches in Egypt for nine years. It was a time of great distress for all Christians. On one day, the Caliph was walking through the streets where Christians lived, and through their windows he heard voices of praising and praying in each house. Upon which he declared, “Open their churches again and let them pray as they please. I hoped to close a Church in every street. But today I discovered that when I made this decree, a church was opened in every home.” So, even if the church is unavailable, prayer is always available.
 
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I suppose Mt. Athos is largely self-governing but under the civil authority of Greece.

I believe you're correct. He mentioned that "it would be obligatory for all", and I took that as meaning by legislation from the government of Greece.

I hope you, and your family are doing well, archer.
 
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I believe you're correct. He mentioned that "it would be obligatory for all", and I took that as meaning by legislation from the government of Greece.

I hope you, and your family are doing well, archer.
Thanks, brother. I hope the same for you and yours.

That does seem unlikely to me, but I know nothing about Greek medical legislation. I wouldn't expect the Greek civil authorities to try to enforce a vaccine on monks, if only for the terrible optics.

But, no doubt the Elder knows more than I do about a lot of things, so I dunno.

In any case, the Liturgy is not sacrificed. It is still being served in many, many parishes, just not with as many people in attendance. I agree with the sentiment above, that we are called in this moment to sacrifice what we like or feel is good for us for the protection of vulnerable people.

If I were unavoidably late for Liturgy, would I be justified in driving 120mph down local roads populated largely by the elderly and sick people to get there on time? No. I would be taking unacceptable risks with other people's lives.
 
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I suppose Mt. Athos is largely self-governing but under the civil authority of Greece. So I don't know what they do there with vaccinations. In the US, the idea that a vaccine would be required by law seems laughable...or did the Elder mean that the bishops would require it of them? I didn't follow, I guess.
He is saying there is a push for global mandatory vaccinations using varying methods. One method through a U.N. agreement, or how the EU is contemplating vaccinations for travelers to and from Europe etc. What was unlikely yesterday can become likely tomorrow. He doesnt mean in Greece or Athos per se, it could be adding more vaccines during your youth or else no school for you etc.
 
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were unavoidably late for Liturgy, would I be justified in driving 120mph down local roads populated largely by the elderly and sick people to get there on time? No. I would be taking unacceptable risks with other people's lives.
I'm pretty sure it would be unjustified even if those roads were filled with healthy and strong teenagers.
 
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***PLEASE NOTE*** : You are in the Eastern Orthodox Forum - Please be mindful of this when posting.

I just happened a long this, and I wanted to share it with you all as there have been some discussions regarding Coronavirus, and Mt. Athos. This is a letter being read from Elder Evthymios of the Kelli of the Resurrection in Kapsala on Mt. Athos.

Oh! I just posted this! Should have peeked in here to see it was the same info! Sorry about that. Thanks for posting this.
 
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What I have seen among all of the members of the Church that I know is that, on an order of 99%, attitudes toward how we should be toward this virus align very consistently with one's political views. Liberals, who are statists and believe in big government to solve people's problems, tend to support the government lockdown in practically all of its aspects and call the loudest to heed the experts and specialists. Conservatives, who are individualists and believe in big business to solve many if not most of our problems, tend to call the loudest for the end of lockdown and the careful resumption of social life.
 
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What I have seen among all of the members of the Church that I know is that, on an order of 99%, attitudes toward how we should be toward this virus align very consistently with one's political views.
As for this letter, it may or may not be real. I hope it's not. The text going around about painting a cross on the door is a confirmed fake. The only thing in the letter I did like was about not living in fear.
 
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The only thing in the letter I did like was about not living in fear.

I can appreciate what you're saying. I truly can because I'd never want to be the cause of someone elses death.

Think for second though. What if we find ourselves someday in a world where we can't produce a vaccine for a virus similar to coronavirus due to constant mutations, and perhaps that one will be deadlier, and never go away? The common cold does this. Do we just stop going to church to receive the Holy Sacraments? Some may think that it could never happen, but then most never thought that what we've experienced could happen.

I highlighted the portion above from your message because it was about not living in fear. I highlighted the portion about not living in fear because no matter how careful we are day to day, and with or without a virus to kill us we will all die someday of something.

So, what the Athonite Elder is getting across at least to me is that we should never stop receiving the Holy Sacraments no matter what, and in this case the Holy Eucharist because as Christians we shouldn't be concerned more for this life than the one to come.

I'm not saying any of that to argue, or debate with you, but only to offer a different perspective. So, please understand I have no intention of continuing with a debate, or argument, and I respect your opinion.
 
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What I have seen among all of the members of the Church that I know is that, on an order of 99%, attitudes toward how we should be toward this virus align very consistently with one's political views. Liberals, who are statists and believe in big government to solve people's problems, tend to support the government lockdown in practically all of its aspects and call the loudest to heed the experts and specialists. Conservatives, who are individualists and believe in big business to solve many if not most of our problems, tend to call the loudest for the end of lockdown and the careful resumption of social life.
Exactly. I am an individualist and this lockdown was the worst possible thing that has happened.
 
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