Conversation: How is requiring ID to vote a racist action?

[hislegacy]

I just got back from vacation. I had to provide photo ID for the following:

1. To board the plane
2. To rent the car
3. To rent the hotel room
4. If I wanted to purchase tobacco products
5. If I wanted to purchase an alcoholic drink
6. To pick up prescription meds
7. For the office visit as Emergency Care because of a broken tooth

Then just everyday life:
1. To get a cell phone
2. To open Utilities
3. To Rent an apartment
4. To purchase a car
5. To buy a house
6. To get SSI assistance
7. To get food stamps
8. To get a job (need two)

So again, how is requiring voter ID racist, when not one of these 15 others are?

 

[Go Braves]

This might help.
Don’t let the Texas decision fool you, the U.S. still has discriminatory voting laws

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

I vote through mail, since I seem to work all day on election. I hope I can continue to do that. But the poor don't always have money to get an ID card. I'm not sure that isolated to just Black and Mexican voters.

 

[hislegacy]

This might help.
Don’t let the Texas decision fool you, the U.S. still has discriminatory voting laws

From your link:

On Monday, a federal judge ruled that Texas’ electoral law, which requires voters to show photo ID before casting a ballot, intentionally discriminates against black and Hispanic voters. According to the American Civil Liberties Union, ethnic minorities, along with low-income, disabled and elderly voters, are less likely to have government-issued identification.
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If they can't afford one - or can't get one

So how do they:

1. To get a cell phone
2. To open Utilities
3. To Rent an apartment
4. To purchase a car
5. To buy a house
6. To get SSI assistance
7. To get food stamps
8. To get a job (need two)
9. Purchase alcohol
10. Purchase tobacco
11. Rent a hotel room?
12. Register for Disability.

It's not making sense??

 

[hislegacy]

But the poor don't always have money to get an ID card

How do they get assistance? or buy cigarettes or a beer?

 

[camille70]

I don't know what is required for applying for benefits, but I've never been asked for ID for utilities or my employment. Many older Americans were not born in hospitals. Not every drinks alcohol. Not everyone is the name on the lease/utilities. Not everyone owns a car.

In addition to that, many displaced Americans due to natural disasters may not have ID or paperwork.

Keep in mind also that some places while requiring special ID also closed locations in minority areas, requiring people without cars to find transportation to drive hours, multiple trips at times, also gave incorrect hours etc.

Then of course you have the people making these new rules on record specifically stating they did it to stop dems from voting.

We covered all this during last year's campaign season.

 

[hislegacy]

I don't know what is required for applying for benefits, but I've never been asked for ID for utilities or my employment.

You didn't fill out an I-9 that is required by federal law?

 

[Hank77]

1. To board the plane
2. To rent the car
3. To rent the hotel room
4. If I wanted to purchase tobacco products
5. If I wanted to purchase an alcoholic drink
6. To pick up prescription meds
7. For the office visit as Emergency Care because of a broken tooth

Then just everyday life:
1. To get a cell phone
2. To open Utilities
3. To Rent an apartment
4. To purchase a car
5. To buy a house
6. To get SSI assistance
7. To get food stamps
8. To get a job (need two)

This is my experience and I'm retired, not a kid

1. To board the plane yes
2. To rent the car yes
3. To rent the hotel room no I worked in the resort hospitality industry for years, no picture ID
4. If I wanted to purchase tobacco products depends on how old one looks
5. If I wanted to purchase an alcoholic drink depends on how old one looks
6. To pick up prescription meds no
7. For the office visit as Emergency Care because of a broken tooth no photo ID in the ER care

Then just everyday life:
1. To get a cell phone no
2. To open Utilities no
3. To Rent an apartment no but that is probably pretty common for a background check
4. To purchase a car no
5. To buy a house no
6. To get SSI assistance no and I officially began receiving benefits last June
7. To get food stamps no I look this up and there are several other documents that can be used

 

[dysert]

I just got back from vacation. I had to provide photo ID for the following:

1. To board the plane
2. To rent the car
3. To rent the hotel room
4. If I wanted to purchase tobacco products
5. If I wanted to purchase an alcoholic drink
6. To pick up prescription meds
7. For the office visit as Emergency Care because of a broken tooth

Then just everyday life:
1. To get a cell phone
2. To open Utilities
3. To Rent an apartment
4. To purchase a car
5. To buy a house
6. To get SSI assistance
7. To get food stamps
8. To get a job (need two)

So again, how is requiring voter ID racist, when not one of these 15 others are?

The first thing to remember is that if you're a racist yourself, then *anything* that inconveniences you, appears to single you out, or makes you have to work for something can be called racist.

Requiring voter ID is not racist by any reasonable person's standard use of the term since the government has repeatedly offered these folks free transportation to/from the place where they'd get their IDs. They just don't want to go to the "trouble" of going out to get it.

 

[dysert]

I've never been asked for ID for utilities or my employment.

You never filled out an I9? What kind of work do you do?

 

[RDKirk]

From your link:

On Monday, a federal judge ruled that Texas’ electoral law, which requires voters to show photo ID before casting a ballot, intentionally discriminates against black and Hispanic voters. According to the American Civil Liberties Union, ethnic minorities, along with low-income, disabled and elderly voters, are less likely to have government-issued identification.
​

If they can't afford one - or can't get one

So how do they:

1. To get a cell phone
2. To open Utilities
3. To Rent an apartment
4. To purchase a car
5. To buy a house
6. To get SSI assistance
7. To get food stamps
8. To get a job (need two)
9. Purchase alcohol
10. Purchase tobacco
11. Rent a hotel room?
12. Register for Disability.

It's not making sense??

You don't need a government-issued ID for those things.

 

[RDKirk]

You didn't fill out an I-9 that is required by federal law?

That doesn't require a government-issued ID.

 

[RDKirk]

Keep in mind also that some places while requiring special ID also closed locations in minority areas, requiring people without cars to find transportation to drive hours, multiple trips at times, also gave incorrect hours etc.

This, in particular.

 

[hislegacy]

That doesn't require a government-issued ID.

 

[RDKirk]

View attachment 210676

Read your document more carefully. A government-issued ID card is not required.

 

[Hank77]

Requiring voter ID is not racist by any reasonable person's standard use of the term since the government has repeatedly offered these folks free transportation to/from the place where they'd get their IDs. They just don't want to go to the "trouble" of going out to get it.

Are you saying the Federal government does this? Because my state doesn't and it's over 70 miles to get a photo ID of any kind.

 

[hislegacy]

Are you saying the Federal government does this? Because my state doesn't and it's over 70 miles to get a photo ID of any kind.

you don't have an ID?

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

How do they get assistance? or buy cigarettes or a beer?

They get someone else to do it. Or they look old enough. Assuming all poor people drink or get assistance.

 

[jax5434]

I just got back from vacation. I had to provide photo ID for the following:

1. To board the plane
2. To rent the car
3. To rent the hotel room
4. If I wanted to purchase tobacco products
5. If I wanted to purchase an alcoholic drink
6. To pick up prescription meds
7. For the office visit as Emergency Care because of a broken tooth

Then just everyday life:
1. To get a cell phone
2. To open Utilities
3. To Rent an apartment
4. To purchase a car
5. To buy a house
6. To get SSI assistance
7. To get food stamps
8. To get a job (need two)

So again, how is requiring voter ID racist, when not one of these 15 others are?

All of these things are privileges not Constitutional rights. Voter ID is an entirely different animal. However, in and of itself, requiring proof of ID in order to vote is neither discriminatory or racist. Except when it is done in ways that adversely affect specific categories of voters; say young people or blacks or Hispanics. And that is the effect if not the aim of these laws.
So if we want to insist that every voter show a government approved ID before voting then lets authorize the Federal Government to issue it at no cost. They could use birth certificates and SSN#s as base documents. That way the issue of voter fraud is addressed in a non-discriminatory way.
God Bless
Jax
Jax

 

[hedrick]

In the abstract identification seems reasonable. However middle and upper class people tend to have better paperwork, to already have drivers licenses, and to have better access to transportation. If the laws were motivated by preventing voter fraud, I'd be fine with them. But there's history that makes it pretty clear that at least in NC it was motivated by trying to bias the vote. Supreme Court Declines Republican Bid To Revive North Carolina Voter ID Law. Courts can and do take into account intent and likely effect of laws.