Contradictory Research

[JohnB445]

We only have limited time on this Earth, so it is best for us to use time wisely.

I came across a controversial topic which is not easy to get to the bottom to, which is about fluoridation, and use of fluoride. I myself stopped using fluoride for over 4 years, and still practiced good oral care, brushing twice a day with fluoride-free toothpaste, flossing, avoiding foods or drinks that are bad for teeth, like pop, etc. No cavities or problems have I experienced, just a more peace of mind if it is true that fluoride shouldn't be used at all.

But also when I have went back to fluoride, it just felt my teeth we slightly stronger. or this could of just been a placebo in my mind.

There are 2 sides, each with experts and dentists.

1. Fluoride is beneficial for teeth in the correct amount, and poses no significant risk long term. That fluoride significantly slows down tooth decay.

2. Fluoride is not safe in any amount, and poses long term risks even with the recommended amounts. That fluoride shows very little to no benefit in preventing tooth decay compared to alternative method of fluoride free.

Either one is right, with a cost of either damaging your health or improving it.

If Fluoride is good, then I slow down tooth decay even more, but if its bad then I will have lower IQ, and other problems.

If Fluoride free is a better alternative, then I have still good teeth from proper oral hygiene. But if its not a better alternative then I miss out on something that could provide better fortification for my teeth.

My decision so far behind this was to stick with fluoride free, as it seems the safest option.


How do I know for sure this is correct? I don't think it is wise to spend too much time thinking about it, and researching it. It could take days. When those days could be spent on something more valuable.

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

How do I know for sure this is correct? I don't think it is wise to spend too much time thinking about it, and researching it. It could take days. When those days could be spent on something more valuable.

If this is true you would think that it would be even more waste of time posting it here and discussing about it.

 

[Aussie Pete]

We only have limited time on this Earth, so it is best for us to use time wisely.

I came across a controversial topic which is not easy to get to the bottom to, which is about fluoridation, and use of fluoride. I myself stopped using fluoride for over 4 years, and still practiced good oral care, brushing twice a day with fluoride-free toothpaste, flossing, avoiding foods or drinks that are bad for teeth, like pop, etc. No cavities or problems have I experienced, just a more peace of mind if it is true that fluoride shouldn't be used at all.

But also when I have went back to fluoride, it just felt my teeth we slightly stronger. or this could of just been a placebo in my mind.

There are 2 sides, each with experts and dentists.

1. Fluoride is beneficial for teeth in the correct amount, and poses no significant risk long term. That fluoride significantly slows down tooth decay.

2. Fluoride is not safe in any amount, and poses long term risks even with the recommended amounts. That fluoride shows very little to no benefit in preventing tooth decay compared to alternative method of fluoride free.

Either one is right, with a cost of either damaging your health or improving it.

If Fluoride is good, then I slow down tooth decay even more, but if its bad then I will have lower IQ, and other problems.

If Fluoride free is a better alternative, then I have still good teeth from proper oral hygiene. But if its not a better alternative then I miss out on something that could provide better fortification for my teeth.

My decision so far behind this was to stick with fluoride free, as it seems the safest option.


How do I know for sure this is correct? I don't think it is wise to spend too much time thinking about it, and researching it. It could take days. When those days could be spent on something more valuable.

I'm 68. The water where I live has been fluoridated for 45 years. I've used fluoride toothpaste since I can remember. I still have my own teeth. I am also sound of mind and body. If the scare mongers were right, I'd be in the nuthouse or my grave. How much fluoride do you swallow? Answer, as little as you wish. The microscopic amounts that end up in your system are harmless.

 

[GaveMeJoy]

We only have limited time on this Earth, so it is best for us to use time wisely.

I came across a controversial topic which is not easy to get to the bottom to, which is about fluoridation, and use of fluoride. I myself stopped using fluoride for over 4 years, and still practiced good oral care, brushing twice a day with fluoride-free toothpaste, flossing, avoiding foods or drinks that are bad for teeth, like pop, etc. No cavities or problems have I experienced, just a more peace of mind if it is true that fluoride shouldn't be used at all.

But also when I have went back to fluoride, it just felt my teeth we slightly stronger. or this could of just been a placebo in my mind.

There are 2 sides, each with experts and dentists.

1. Fluoride is beneficial for teeth in the correct amount, and poses no significant risk long term. That fluoride significantly slows down tooth decay.

2. Fluoride is not safe in any amount, and poses long term risks even with the recommended amounts. That fluoride shows very little to no benefit in preventing tooth decay compared to alternative method of fluoride free.

Either one is right, with a cost of either damaging your health or improving it.

If Fluoride is good, then I slow down tooth decay even more, but if its bad then I will have lower IQ, and other problems.

If Fluoride free is a better alternative, then I have still good teeth from proper oral hygiene. But if its not a better alternative then I miss out on something that could provide better fortification for my teeth.

My decision so far behind this was to stick with fluoride free, as it seems the safest option.


How do I know for sure this is correct? I don't think it is wise to spend too much time thinking about it, and researching it. It could take days. When those days could be spent on something more valuable.

I work in education/psychology and I can assure you that you cannot lower your IQ

 

[Daniel Marsh]

We only have limited time on this Earth, so it is best for us to use time wisely.

I came across a controversial topic which is not easy to get to the bottom to, which is about fluoridation, and use of fluoride. I myself stopped using fluoride for over 4 years, and still practiced good oral care, brushing twice a day with fluoride-free toothpaste, flossing, avoiding foods or drinks that are bad for teeth, like pop, etc. No cavities or problems have I experienced, just a more peace of mind if it is true that fluoride shouldn't be used at all.

But also when I have went back to fluoride, it just felt my teeth we slightly stronger. or this could of just been a placebo in my mind.

There are 2 sides, each with experts and dentists.

1. Fluoride is beneficial for teeth in the correct amount, and poses no significant risk long term. That fluoride significantly slows down tooth decay.

2. Fluoride is not safe in any amount, and poses long term risks even with the recommended amounts. That fluoride shows very little to no benefit in preventing tooth decay compared to alternative method of fluoride free.

Either one is right, with a cost of either damaging your health or improving it.

"lower IQ, and other problems."

If Fluoride free is a better alternative, then I have still good teeth from proper oral hygiene. But if its not a better alternative then I miss out on something that could provide better fortification for my teeth.

My decision so far behind this was to stick with fluoride free, as it seems the safest option.


How do I know for sure this is correct? I don't think it is wise to spend too much time thinking about it, and researching it. It could take days. When those days could be spent on something more valuable.

When you see claims like this,

"lower IQ, and other problems."

You are dealing with a fraud. FACT CHECK: Water Fluoridation Reduces IQ

 

[SkyWriting]

We only have limited time on this Earth, so it is best for us to use time wisely.

I came across a controversial topic which is not easy to get to the bottom to, which is about fluoridation, and use of fluoride. I myself stopped using fluoride for over 4 years, and still practiced good oral care, brushing twice a day with fluoride-free toothpaste, flossing, avoiding foods or drinks that are bad for teeth, like pop, etc. No cavities or problems have I experienced, just a more peace of mind if it is true that fluoride shouldn't be used at all.

But also when I have went back to fluoride, it just felt my teeth we slightly stronger. or this could of just been a placebo in my mind.

There are 2 sides, each with experts and dentists.

1. Fluoride is beneficial for teeth in the correct amount, and poses no significant risk long term. That fluoride significantly slows down tooth decay.

2. Fluoride is not safe in any amount, and poses long term risks even with the recommended amounts. That fluoride shows very little to no benefit in preventing tooth decay compared to alternative method of fluoride free.

Either one is right, with a cost of either damaging your health or improving it.

If Fluoride is good, then I slow down tooth decay even more, but if its bad then I will have lower IQ, and other problems.

If Fluoride free is a better alternative, then I have still good teeth from proper oral hygiene. But if its not a better alternative then I miss out on something that could provide better fortification for my teeth.

My decision so far behind this was to stick with fluoride free, as it seems the safest option.


How do I know for sure this is correct? I don't think it is wise to spend too much time thinking about it, and researching it. It could take days. When those days could be spent on something more valuable.

Did the experts use fluoride or drink fluoride water?
If they are correct, then we should question if their conclusions are correct about fluoride.

 

[Daniel Marsh]

The basic scare claim is Women with Child that affects the child.

If you use these stats IQ by Country one can claim that global warming is causing higher IQs.

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

I work in education/psychology and I can assure you that you cannot lower your IQ

Are you sure? I have felt the symptoms after reading some creationist literature.

 

[Daniel Marsh]

"
Between the 1940s and the 1990s, the average IQ scores of Americans improved 15 points. This took place at the same time that fluoridation expanded to serve millions more Americans.

New research from New Zealand finds that the IQ scores of children living in fluoridated communities were no different than children living in communities without fluoride in the water.

Beginning in 2012 with a research review in the journal Environmental Health Perspectives, claims began to appear that lower IQ scores in children were “caused” by fluoride. There are many reasons why the evidence does not support these claims.

• This research did not test cause and effect. The authors examined a wide variety of studies from different countries (China, Mongolia and Iran) and different times (over 22 years) and reported what was observed. They did not conduct tests designed to examine a relationship between fluoride and IQ.
• The authors warn that the studies they reviewed “had deficiencies, in some cases rather serious, which limit the conclusions that can be drawn.” They conclude that further research would be needed to rule out other factors that can affect test scores, such as nutrition, the quality of schools, or the presence of contaminants such as lead.
• The studies do not describe the water that American children drink. The fluoride in these countries was in some cases more than 10 times higher than the optimal level used in the United States.

In 2014, one of the same authors again published a research review in the British journal The Lancet Neurology. This article included fluoride among a list of potentially harmful chemicals. Again claims resulted from this review that are not supported by the evidence.

• The article’s information on fluoride came from just one study, the 2012 research review described above, which did not prove a cause and effect relationship between fluoride and the brain.
• To be considered scientifically valid, such proof must come from careful testing of results that have been confirmed many times. This study does not provide evidence to suggest fluoride as a possible neurotoxin.
• More than 3,000 studies and research papers have been produced on fluoridation, and the overwhelming evidence shows its safety and effectiveness as a public health practice. Community water fluoridation has been, and continues to be thoroughly evaluated to ensure the health of those who benefit from it.

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https://ilikemyteeth.org/fluoridation/dangers-of-fluoride/fluoride-iqs/

 

[Daniel Marsh]

"
An IQ score refers to a value that measures intelligence levels. Shorthand for intelligence quotient, IQ scores typically reflect the quality of education in certain parts of the world, as well as the accessibility and resources available to people in those geographic regions. When looking at the average IQ scores of each country, you will notice that areas of the world with lower IQ scores are less developed and poorer than countries with higher IQ scores.

The IQ map shown shades each country depending on the how high the average IQ score is. A higher IQ score is indicated by a darker shade of violet."http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/average-iq-by-country/

 

[Bob Crowley]

One of my wife's nephews is a dentist. I asked him once for his opinion on fluoride in water.

His reply was "It would be remiss of me as a dentist not to recommend it."

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

His reply was "It would be remiss of me as a dentist not to recommend it."

You know it is the sign of end times when dentists start to sound like lawyers....

 

[GaveMeJoy]

Are you sure? I have felt the symptoms after reading some creationist literature.

Lol atheist dad joke alert