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Considering Sleeping with this Guy and Not Feeling Guilty About It..

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If you have felt you have given yourself away somewhat, you have that awareness now to remedy it, not make things worse. This is your choice. You are old enough to know better and have this choice. This is a serious matter.

Women are the weaker sex and we cannot take a lust problem like men can so easily. It ruins us inside. Look around and listen within to the Spirit and learn. We are put in dangers of rape, pregnacy, and men who have diseases that come on to us. Once you feel you are used to it, by sex even once you enjoy, you can also feel that you cannot wait to have more. People often have sex without protection because they have lost control once they are used to it and like it. they say 'oh the hell with it this once is alright' It is times like this one that can open you to diseases because of not using protection, sometimes the condoms break as well. Sometimes young people get so out of control, even older people, that they forget to take their pills too. So they are not taking pills and are having unprotected sex at times as well and they are around people that are lustful and may overpower them when they are not on the pill. Now if you get a disease that is not curable, you have problems with feeling slimy and a really good man you won't feel worthy of even if you are, or he may not want you when he finds out. You may also start to judge your spouses performance too harshly in the future. Life doesn't revolve completely around sex in marriage. As the marriage goes on, people's feelings for their spouse develop an secondary and added-on chemistry based on how they emotionally feel with each other. If they don't have self-control or fight and do not know how to restrain anger and forgive and do not have the strength to do these things, bitterness develops in the spiritually immature. Now you have a spouse that is highly sexual and you are feeling the opposite since men are stimulated by 'immature fighting' and women are most often drained by it especially as they age. Peaceful spiritual people have sex more often though. Now the man who was so good in bed before marriage has another problem with you, you don't want to have sex with him as often and you can add this to the list of problems that came from you not choosing a spouse based on spiritual values, habits, goals, peace, and respect as well as attraction. Once people get on the sex kick, they will often marry people they are not compatible with. Do you feel for others who are stuck in marriages with men that are controlling, demanding, forceful, bad tempered? This is a tradegy for them. The women can become complete basketcases for a while or become *****es that severely disturb their health, and the spiritual gifts will leave because there is no peace. It is very disorienting for them. And it is extremely difficult for them to regain an innocence of emotional/spiritual balance if they are dealing with a selfish demanding man who may just go out and have affairs because he is not the type to wait around. This is where people get so angry and bitter that it ruins their soul. They have a right to be disappointed but anger is a soul killer. If you want to be selfish and deal with selfish people, and not realize the consequences that are very common, you are really putting yourself at risk for alot of confusion and disorientation. Sexual diseases and abortions are a big secret with women today. It is much much more common than what people will talk about or admit because it is disgusting. Having a child out of wedlock or a forced marriage is the type of stress that since you care about your child, you are going to have a real hard time constraining your anger and feelings when things go wrong, and this lack of restraint will ruin your soul. If you think you have problems now, these problems are a continuing burden, where people are restless and often develop eating disorders and are complaining all the time with this horrible emptiness inside that makes them feel that they have a right to be *****. They have problems that are not easy to deal with at all.

How many things just are stimulating you in the wrong way? Food, music, vain clothes/makeup, anger at parents (you said they aren't saved), anxiety. If you can get yourself together and pray calmly and honestly til the emotions even themselves out and find a local woman christian that is peaceful and caring, that would probably be the best thing for you.

I believe that you can lose your salvation, which is called an arminian view, (Assembly of God is one such church with this view, they are a somewhat "liberal" church though but they are at least serious about the arminian view in most cases unless they are one of the ones that is arrogant and there are some of them around, they believe in gifts and they respect women, and have worship music that is often very intense and satisfying to younger people)and how do you know how long your life will be? You don't know how long your life is and willful fornication is a deep sin that will keep you out of heaven if it is unrepented of. This is a doorway to alot of sins as well. The bar scene and drugs, impatient music, and ruining of the self-restraint and goals, and lack of mature caring people all are possible when you also state that you don't care about God's ways and commandments. You will put at risk your ability to have spiritual gifts as well.

I am a virgin still by the way. I am attractive too, and have had opportunities.

A good church with a good youth group and good hobbies like kickboxing/ selfdefense, ministries that help others and care about them, helping your peers, and other normal ways to build up confidence are highly satisfying in this life and the next.
 
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Your self control is the most important thing in life. It should give you an immediate and fulfiling peace although you may be enduring and doing things that are uncomfortable you will also have joy.

It is very difficult to regain this sense of even wanting to control yourself as you engage in behaviors that go against your biblical and conscience sense.

Look around you. Look at how many people that are older that seem to lack selfcontrol and also be bitter in proportionate to this. When they were young, they looked around and saw older bitter people and thought that this would never be them and the answer was in having fun.

No, that answer of loss of self-control and peace is what started to ruin them, and now they do not know how to find peace, or meaning again.

I have had oral sex as well as you have, and anal sex with men in the past, and I am still a virgin now. I repented of what I was doing to begin with. I made the decision to not go further, and offically fornicate and IT IS a SIN that will keep you out of heaven.

You do not know how long your life will be.

There are so many other ways to have a high and have confidence in yourself and feel cared about.

I am glad that I haven't been raped, gotten diseased, a bad reputation, feeling used and bitter, unwed pregnancy, abortion, forced marriage, and that I will not judge a man harshly in bed as a spouse and I know the value of peace.

Self-control is where the spiritual gifts lie. Sometimes worldly people have this gift because they are selfcontrolled but they may not have eternal life because it is not based on the commandments of God. I rather have both. How bout you?. There are many christians with this gift. And peace is a very satisfying feeling which comes first. Peace is not boring it should go down to the physical nerve structures and make you feel calmly confident with joy at times. Feeling free.

No offense intended, but it really sounds like you need spiritual grounding to know the value of selfcontrol, commandments of Jesus, and peace. And the joy of self-respect and finding independence of others approval instead of being used by them.

Find the right paths to go in. Please find them.
 
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Jesus Freak. I know you don't want to be told what to do. I will tell you my experience.

I was engaged to my fiancee. I was on the pill, and I actually got pregnant on the pill. There is no method of contraception that is 100% effective. I have been rejected by people who I thought were my friends because I got pregnant before I got married. We had to bring forward our wedding. I missed out on the dream wedding I wanted just because of one moment we couldn't control ourselves. Also, the shame of being a pregnant bride is something that you don't get over very easily. I still feel the rejection and shame if I dwell on it. My son is now 2. My husband and I wonder what we will say to him when he is in his teen years, or gets engaged. We wonder how we will advise him not to have sex before he is married, when we did it ourselves.

I wish we had waited.
 
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Your desires are perfectly normal.

But be smart.
I can't keep you from messing around. So if you're going to mess around, be smart about it.
I don't look down on you. I'm not upset with you.
The first week you are "late" is a volume of stress you don't even want to know about.

So would you please listen to me?

Clinics give you weak prescriptions that count on you missing a pill every now and then. You miss a day or soemthing and bam you're pregnant.
Well, whose there to help you deal with it? The clinic. They'd be more than happy to give you an abortion...for a small fee.
Abortion is an industry.

So be smart. I've already been where you're at. I'm telling you how to get through it.

*hug*
 
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jesus_freak_for_life said:
for the record, i belong to an AOG church..

bleh.. i dont know anymore.. this post has me rethinking but im still struggling..
We're here for you. Even when we're offline, we are thinking of you. You don't have to struggle alone. :hug:
 
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jesus_freak_for_life said:
for the record, i belong to an AOG church..

bleh.. i dont know anymore.. this post has me rethinking but im still struggling..

You mentioned before that you feel shame for past mistakes, so I think you're deciding that if you just finish yourself off, then at least you can have some pleasure to counteract the shame. That's what I'm perceiving. It will only make it worse.

God wants you to learn how to treat yourself with respect, because if you are a Christian, you are royal family. You are literally a princess of the highest order, and it is not fitting for royalty to live a promiscuous lifestyle. The answer isn't to go with the flow, but develop skills in impulse control that will save your future and possibly your future marriage. Sometimes when people make mistakes and they feel shame, they no longer feel like treating themselves with respect. They do the very thing that's destroying their self-image even more, as a punishment on themselves for what they did in the past. It's as if to say, "This is obviously what I am, so this is what I will be." This is completely satanic. The enmy wants to degrade God's people, and it's your job to be what you truly are, if you are in Christ: beautiful. Regardless of what you feel, God commands you to treat yourself and your body (which isn't actually yours, but His) with all the respect due to His family. Not to mention, He will get angry if you don't. Your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, and it is a high crime to defile it. You'll dig yourself into trouble with God, which will bring afflictive circumstances, which will make you more prone to do what is bad for you, which will make God angry...see how the cycle grows?

It won't work. All sex will do is keep you from being able to tell your future husband that you're still a virgin. And when you find someone you want to love forever, that will be a bitter, bitter pill indeed. Not to mention that God promises that fornicators will not enter the kingdom of Heaven. I wouldn't be showing you Christian love if I allowed you to fall into a trap without this warning. Lots of people repent later and rework their relationships with God, but not without bitter consequences. And there are no guarantees that God will put a spirit of repentance in you. Eternity is a mighty long time, my friend.

I'm thinking, a better route for you would be to learn how to handle impulses so you're not doing the things you've already said are destroying your self-image. There are ways you can get out of it. Don't be alone with guys, tell someone you trust so they can keep you accountable, close your mind to thinking of sex as an option. Simply tell yourself that part of your life is over, and look for healthy ways to use your time and keep active. Begin service to others-this will keep you busy so you don't have much time to think about sex. Tear down any posters you may have of celebrities that make you stumble. Make friends with people who are headed the same way you want to be headed. Keep guys out of the picture for a while until you're stronger and have a full network of friends, support, and strategies in place that will help keep you from this temptation. THen, when you're older, you can start dating. My paren'ts didn't let me date until I was 16, and then we double dated so there was always someone else with us. I didn't single date until I was seventeen, and my parents always met the guy first. They always knew where I was and what I was doing.

Honesty goes a long way as to preventing sin. Every kid I knew who ended up pregnant or on drugs or with some other serious problem all started by telling his/her parents a single lie to get what s/he wanted. And then once the door had been opened by a single lie, it grew until that person couldn't lie anymore. You can't come home pregnant and then say, "No, we're not having sex."

I don't think the problem is not caring; I think you do care but you need to develop skills in avoiding temptation.

You can beat this.

Love in Christ,
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I've been to a few AoG's I wouldn't join.

The pastors were either yelling at the top of their lungs, or extremely arrogant and smug.

This is not a godly spirit. I hope your church isn't like that. There are plenty of churches that aren't that you can find.

If the youth group has cliques like this too, it doesn't look like a place you can really grow as an assertive, self-respecting, independent, peaceful, goal-oriented Christian.

I hope you can find someone you truly trust that is local and is a counselor and a female christian that you can talk to.
 
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Even after you make a decision not to do something, you will continue to struggle with it at times. That is normal. Not all things just go away or are supposed to. Like dealing with an eating disorder where eating still is a part of life and learning there is a time and place for it, sex also has a time and place as well although it is something normal we were designed to do like eat. The urges we get as single people are supposed to stimulate our thinking about how we are going to date and screen future spouses to marry. It is a call to do that, not indulge in whatever we want. When you have a desire for food, you think about what is good for you to eat, and you don't just eat candy whenever you get hungry, and if you workout you would know that the type of food you eat greatly has an effect on your workouts so why would you want to put inferior food in your body anyway. You especially would not eat poison or cynanide or start eating any plants in the woods because you all of a sudden feel hungry there while walking through the woods. When people reach their teens, they have urges that they have to learn to control like with food. Men are a little different I feel but as women we really ought to be as pure as we can. Lust causes people to not be satisfied but causes temper problems and arrogance with others. When the urge of food comes on you, you may first think of something unhealthy, but then you think that you need to eat something good, and that there is time and place to eat. You wouldn't take food off the shelf in the store and start eating it and drinking milk right there. Having sex outside of marriage is as ridulcous as these situations. The urges should cause you to become more controlled giving you a stronger sense of respect and have you thinking about a future spouse. Start a journal on what you are looking for in a guy. Perhaps you and your friends can all have a journal or notebook of wisdom on guys and periodically as christians get together and talk about what you have learned and what you think of each others experiences.

Men that are persuasive do not think about the problems women have with diseases, pregnancy (abortion, single motherhood, adoption heartache, forced marriage? which is good here?), reputation, and not always being ready for sex which can lead to you being raped by a man who cannot control himself. It should make you feel somewhat angry that you are expected to be used for someone's personal momentary pleasure and they are leading you down the road to HELL and they don't care and are being seduced to be nothing but another experience to brag about when he gets with his friends who now start to think of you in a bad light which can put you in danger of them thinking that they can use you in the same way even when you don't like them (rape).

Find some more or go back to the caring mature christian friends your age and tell them you are struggling. They will understand!

The urges must lead you to think wisely about what kind of man you want to date and what kind of marriage you want to have and what kind of rearing of children you want to do with your future spouse. It's surprising how many men I've known who have said something really dumb to me, "I don't believe in communicating with women, women are to listen to the man and they shouldn't have an opinion". "Babies are for women to take care of only, men don't do anything of that stuff, men tell a child what to do when they get older and a woman has no business talking to an older child" or the other extreme "I get to play with the kid, you have to pick up and teach him stuff." "You have to spend time with my friends' wives and be good friends with them, and its your fault if you don't like them." (He just wants to fit in with a group at your expense of being around gossipy, scowling wives that are not good for you to be around) Anger at a man for these dumb comments and that he won't change will cause you to lose your sexual feelings for him in a marriage. The decisions you make together with him in respect become the primary basis of your feelings for him eventually. This is another reason why you must screen a man carefully and find out if he respects you as a person and as a woman and a wife as a partner.

Let's say you walk to the store through the woods and are hungry:
You don't start eating any plant in the woods (could be poisionous), or drinking water out of a mud puddle or eating crackers and milk right down the isles of the store because you have an urge to. That's insane right?. You control yourself, decide what is good for you to have, what you can afford, and you read the ingredients and screen it and make sure you aren't allergic or offended by what's in it, and then walk to buy it and wait in line and then drive home and start preparing your meal. That is all learned but its not hard, its reasonable. This is something children must learn when they are young. Little children will just take things off the shelves and open them and start eating it if they haven't learned that it isn't their time to even touch the things in the store and that they have no money to buy anything either.

What if anytime you felt like going to the bathroom you did? What if you went at the busstop in front of everyone or in a classroom? That's offensive isn't it? lol What if you decided that it would feel relieving to have a bowel movement in the halls of your school because the closest ladies room is too far away and you don't want to wait? lol. Ask a little child and he will not wait. He hasn't learned to control himself yet. He will throw a tantrum most likely. We can be tolerant with the child, but we are not children here. We are old enough to know better to do that. If you told a child that he must learn to wait he can't conceive it is possible at first. But you know it is.

I'm sure you know what I am saying.
 
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jesus_freak_for_life said:
i donno if i can do that.. i donno if im strong enough..

It's really just a matter of choice. If you don't feel strong enough, it's really important to get that system worked out. Tell your parents. They'll give you the strength-trust me. They're not going to watch your life go down the tubes. Besides-they probably already know.

It takes a lot less work to avoid the bait than it does to struggle your way out of the trap. But you have to make up your mind that that's what you're going to do, and do everything in your power to achieve it. If God sees you're trying, He'll help you.
 
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I should clarify that I do like the AoG's in general and what they believe in mostly (I don't like some of the spiritual snobs or people who put on a show that is not a real emotional feeling) but there are pastors and people in these churches that may not be good for us and it doesn't mean that the whole denomination is bad, just perhaps that church or two.

We can't let people with problems lead us from God though. We have to realize that they have problems and that what they are doing if they are doing something wrong is not godly. We have got to find the people in the church we go to that are trustworthy and stick with them and ignore the others. I've had people disgust me and lead me from God before and I won't let them do it again. This is my soul we're talking about.
 
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I like AoG's too. I don't like all of them though.

The whole reason I mentioned them is because I like them alot. I also like 6 other denominations but I put them at the top of my list because they are more liberal and they can be very good for growing Christians. I am not going to lie about my impressions of a few of these type churches and I've personally known AG pastors that do not agree with other AG pastors way of preaching because they have gone too far. We still respect the denomination.
 
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I only said my bad experiences with those churches to show empathy if you are having a problem with yours that may really be their problem. I don't know. It was not intended to bash that church.

Church should a wonderful, loving place too. And should be a place of support, and friendship and respect with where we are struggling. A place where we can find wisdom, hope, and encouragement from the temptations of life and storms.
 
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I meant in post #53 about controlling yourself is that when we are faced with new temptations at any age in life we are like little children who at first we think that we cannot do something but when in reality we can. At every age we have various temptations, and some of them are new. Every age in life and every new situation has temptation in it.

Now before I feel I am misunderstood again and feel I have to write out clarifying posts some more, I will hop over to the other threads.

I hope you don't take offense to anything written. We all are meaning to help here. Life can be very hard at times and it helps to have people encourage us in the right direction so we can stay on a good path of peace.

God bless.
 
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