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Confusion about what Jesus Said

Discussion in 'Christian Scriptures' started by Veteran1990, Jul 13, 2021.

  1. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    We have to believe in the Trinity in order to post in
    the Christianity section of the CF forums.
    Anyways here is a quick breakdown of...

    The Trinity:

    The Bible teaches that there is one God (Deuteronomy 6:4) (1 Timothy 2:5) (Isaiah 45:5).

    Yet, the Bible also teaches that there are distinctions within the Godhead or that there is a plural nature to God.

    Here are a couple of quick points:

    #1. The word Elohim (אֱלֹהִ֔ים) is both a singular and a plural noun.
    #2. God refers to Himself in plural form (Genesis 1:26) (Genesis 3:22) (Genesis 11:7) (Isaiah 6:8).
    #3. Plurality of God in New Testament (Matthew 28:19) (2 Corinthians 13:14) (John 14:16-20).
    #4. Introductions to both the Son & Holy Spirit (Daniel 7:9,10,13,14) (John 14:16)
    #5. Different persons of Godhead appear at one time (Luke 3:21-22)
    #6. Distinctions of Wills (Luke 22:42).
    #7. Conversations Between the Godhead (Psalm 2:1-12) (Psalm 45:6-7) (Psalm 110:1) (Matthew 11:27) (John 17:24).

    The Trinity is told to us in one verse.

    “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” (1 John 5:7).

    Romans 1:20 says,
    "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"

    Meaning, even nature itself declares the Godhead (or the Trinity).

    Atoms = Nucleus, Protons, Electrons.
    Water Molecules = Hydrogen Atom, Hydrogen Atom, Oxygen Atom.
    Man Made in God's Image = Physical Body, Spirit Body, Soul.

    Although the word "Trinity" is not found within the Scriptures, the word "Godhead" is used instead (Acts of the Apostles 17:29) (Romans 1:20) (Colossians 2:9).

    In Genesis it says let US make man in OUR image and OUR likeness. Why is God referring to Himself in the plural form? It only makes sense if He is triune.
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  2. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    Jesus had power as God.

    #1. Jesus said He has power to raise the dead to life just as the Father had power to raise the dead (John 5:21).
    #2. Hebrews 1:3 talks about how Christ held all things together by the word of His power when He purged us of our sins.
    #3. Jesus said, He would raise up this Temple (His body) three days later (John 2:19).
    #4. Jesus had the power to forgive sins and give eternal life (Mark 2:7) (Luke 7:44-50) (John 14:6).
    #5 Jesus had power to take away the sins of the entire world (John 1:29).
    #6. Jesus Christ said wherever two or three are gathered in my name, there I am among them (Matthew 18:20). This was said to the people he was around and not to just us today.
    #7. Jesus knew men's thoughts (Matthew 9:4) (Matthew 12:25) (Mark 2:8) (Luke 5:22) (Luke 6:8) (Luke 9:47) (Luke 24:38).
    #8. Jesus knew about the lives of others (John 2:24) (John 4:17-18) (John 4:29) (John 6:64).

    God purchased us with His own blood:

    “Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.” (Acts of the Apostles 20:28).

    There is no Savior beside or next to God:

    “I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.” (Isaiah 43:11).

    “So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.” (Matthew 16:19).
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  3. Clare73

    Clare73 Blood-bought

    Actually, there is no "letter of the law" and "spirit of the law."
    There is ony "the letter" (the written code) and "the Spirit" (the Holy Spirit).

    ". . .for the letter kills and the Spirit gives life." (2 Corinthians 3:6)

    The letter kills because "all those who rely on observing the law are under a curse."
    (Galatians 3:10)

    The Spirit gives life in writing the law inwardly on tablets of human hearts (v.3), providing the believer with love for God's law which previously he had hated, and power to keep it, which previously he did not have.

    So "the spirit of the law" is not actually larger and guided by love more than is the written code. Rather, the Spirit provides love of the law and power to keep it.
  4. Bible Highlighter

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    Holy Spirit is God:

    The Holy Spirit is called God:

    “Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.” (Acts of the Apostles 5:3-4).

    The Holy Spirit is on equal level with being God:

    “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:” (Matthew 28:19).

    The Holy Spirit is eternal:

    “How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?” (Hebrews 9:14).

    The Holy Spirit is a person:

    “And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever;” (John 14:16).

    The Holy Spirit can be grieved:

    “And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.” (Ephesians 4:30).

    The Holy Spirit can be blasphemed:

    “And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.” (Matthew 12:32).

    Important Note: Only God can be blasphemed.

    The Father Sent The Holy Spirit

    The Bible says that God the Father sent the Holy Spirit. Jesus said.

    But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you (John 14:26).

    The Father will send the Holy Spirit, not Himself, to help believers.

    There Is A Difference Between The Father And The Holy Spirit

    The Holy Spirit does the will of God the Father. Paul wrote.

    And He who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God's will (Romans 8:27).

    Source used for Holy Spirit being distinct from the Father:
    Is the Holy Spirit a Distinct Person from God the Father?
    Last edited: Jul 25, 2021
  5. Bible Highlighter

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    160 Reasons Jesus Christ is Almighty God:

    By Thomas Golda

    Only because Jesus Christ is Almighty God do we have reassurance that He can save His elect from eternal damnation and eternal torment.

    1. Jesus IS the visible image of the Invisible God - Colossians 1:15, II Corinthians 4:4...to see Jesus is to see the Invisible God - Mankind was created IN the image of God - Genesis 1:26...Jesus IS the image of God. To see Jesus is to see the Invisible God in the flesh.

    2. Jesus was conceived by God - Luke 1:35, Matthew 1:20. Since Mary was his earthy mother, that makes Jesus fully human..since God was His physical Father, since Jesus did not have an earthy father, that makes Jesus fully God. He was fully man and fully God. The Great Godman.

    3. To see Jesus' face is to see the glory of God - II Corinthians 4:6

    4. Jesus "being in the form of God" makes Him God - Philippians 2:6

    5. Jesus being the brightness of the Father's glory - Hebrews 1:3

    6. Jesus is the exact image of the Father's Person - Hebrews 1:3

    7. That is why to "see Jesus" is to "see the Father" - John 14:9, John 12:45

    8. That is why Jesus said He and His Father are one - John 10:30

    9. Jesus is IN the bosom of the Father - John 1:18. Not "on" the bosom"..not "near" the bosom...IN the bosom...He is in the center of the Father. They are "one"
    10. He is called EVERLASTING Father - Isaiah 9:6

    11. Jesus deserves the SAME honour as the Father - John 5:23

    12.Jesus was WORSHIPPED - Matthew 2:11, Matthew 9:12, Matthew 14:33, Matthew 28:9, Luke 24:52..Since only God is to be worshipped - Matthew 4:10..that means Jesus is God.

    13. Even angels WORSHIP Jesus - Hebrews 1:6

    14. Heaven falls down before the Lamb - Revelation 5:8

    15. Jesus Created ALL things - Colossians 1:16, Hebrews 1:2, John 1:3, Ephesians 3:9 ....God created all things - Acts 14:15, Isaiah 45:18, Isaiah 44:24, Isaiah 42:5. Jesus is God

    16. Jesus also made the world - John 1:10. Jesus is God - Isaiah 44:18

    17. Jesus created all things for HIMSELF - Colossians 1:16, Proverbs 16:4(Jesus is God)

    18. By Jesus all things consist - Colossians 1:17

    19. Jesus upholds all things - Hebrews 1:3

    20. Jesus is before all things - Colossians 1:17

    21. Jesus rules heaven and earth - Matthew 28:18. Jesus is God - II Chronicles 29:11

    22. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath - Mark 2:28, Luke 6:5

    23. Jesus called Himself the Great "I AM" - John 8:58, John 8:24...a quote from Exodus 3:14

    24. In the body of Jesus dwells the fullness of the Godhead - Colossians 2:9

    25. The Father, Son and Holy Ghost are THREE and they are ONE - I John 5:7

    26. And this is all why Jesus is EQUAL WITH GOD - Philippians 2:6

    27. Jesus was "God manifest in the flesh" - I Timothy 3:16

    28. God was in Christ - Galatians 3:17, II Corinthians 5:19

    29. Jesus is the Power of God and the Wisdom of God - I Corinthians 1:24

    30. Jesus "only" hath immortality - I Timothy 6:16

    31. Jesus is Lord of the living and the dead - Romans 14:9

    32. Jesus is called the Saviour - Luke 2:11, Titus 1:4, Titus 2:13, Titus 3:3, II Peter 1:1, II Peter 1:11, II Peter 2:20, II Peter 3:18, I John 4:14

    33. Only Jehovah God alone is the Saviour - Isaiah 43:11, Isaiah 45:15 , Hosea 13:4, I Timothy 2:2, Jude 1:25...that means Jesus is God.

    34. Jesus ALONE is the Great Judge - John 5:22. The Judge is God - Hebrews 12:23, Revelation 18:8, Hebrews 13:4, Romans 2:3,5 - Jesus is God. All the verses in the Bible that talk about God being the Judge refer to Jesus, since He alone judges. The Father
    judges no man - John 5:22.

    35. Jesus has the keys of hell and of death - Revelation 1:18. The one that can cast into hell is to be FEARED - Matthew 10:28, Luke 12:5 Only God is to be feared - Rev 14:7

    36. Jesus is from EVERLASTING - Micah 5:2, Isaiah 9:6

    37. Jesus has NO BEGINNING of days - Hebrews 7:3

    38. Jesus is the SAME, yesterday, today and forever - Hebrews 13:8. A quote from Psalm 102:27. Jesus is God.

    39. Jesus' is in the midst or the center of the throne of God - Rev 1:6

    40. Jesus has the Greatest Name above every name ever named - Philippians 2:9

    41. Jesus' name is the Greatest in the world to come as well - Ephesians 1:21

    42. And it is before name of JESUS, not any other name including Jehovah, that the peoples of the earth and heaven and bowing before - Philippians 2:10. Jesus is God - Isaiah 45:22-23

    43. Only by the name JESUS can one be saved - Acts 4:10-12

    44. Jesus is called the Alpha and Omega - Revelation 1:11

    45. Jesus who is the Alpha and Omega is the ALMIGHTY - Revelation 1:7-8

    46. Jesus is called the King of kings - I Timothy 6:15. Jesus is the King - Zechariah 9:9. The King is God - I Timothy 1:17. Jesus is God

    47. Jesus is called Lord of lords - I Timothy 6:15. God is called Lord of lords - Deut 10:17. Jesus is God

    48. Christ is called the ROCK - I Corinthians 10:4. That is who Israel followed. The ROCK who Israel followed was GOD - Deut 32:3-4. - God is the Rock - Psalm 18:2 and only God is the Rock - Psalm 18:31. Christ is God.

    49. Jesus calls Himself the FIRST AND THE LAST - Revelation 1:11,17. Only GOD is the FIRST AND THE LAST - Isaiah 44:6, Isaiah 48:12. Jesus is God.

    50. Jesus knows all things (OMNIPOTENT) - John 2:24-25, John 4:29, John 6:64, John 16:30

    51. Jesus is OMNIPRESENT - Matthew 18:20, Matthew 28:20

    52. Jesus' body fills all (is omnipresent) - Ephesians 1:23

    53. Jesus knows the hearts of men - Revelation 2:23

    54. Jesus dwells in the hearts - Ephesians 3:17

    55. And "liveth" in the believers - Galatians 2:20

    56. Jesus knows the thoughts of men - Matthew 9:4, Luke 6:8

    57. And Jesus will judge the "secrets" of men - Romans 2:16

    58. God shed His blood - Acts 20:28

    59. The cross is the "power of God" - I Corinthians 1:17-18

    60. Jesus called the Kingdom of God His Kingdom - John 18:36

    61. Jesus is the "Deliverer" of the believers from the wrath of God - I Thessalonians 1:10, Romans 11:26. Only God is the Deliverer from the wrath of God - II Corinthians 1:9-10

    62. In Jesus' name we TRUST - Ephesians 1:12-13, Matthew 12:21, Philippians 2:19. Only in God do we trust - Psalm 4:5, 7:1, 31:1, 73:28, Isaiah 26:4. Jesus is God.

    63. Jesus is the TRUTH - John 14:6. Jesus is God - Psalm 31:5

    64. Jesus sent the prophets - Matthew 23:34...God sent the prophets - Jeremiah 7:25. Jesus is God who sent the prophets.

    65. Jesus is the Stone of stumbling - I Peter 2:8. A prophesy from Isaiah 8:13-14. God is the stone of stumbling. Jesus is God.

    66. God is the fountain of living waters - Jeremiah 17:13....Jesus is the fountain of living waters - John 4:10-14

    67. Jesus brings reward to the wicked for their works - Matthew 16:27. Jesus is God - Psalm 54:4-5, II Samuel 3:39.

    68. The reward of salvation is "with Jesus" - Revelation 22:12. Jesus is God - Isaiah 62:11, Isaiah 40:10

    69. Jesus gave power to His people - Luke 9:1. Jesus is God - Psalm 68:35

    70. Jesus is called the HOLY ONE - Acts 3:14. Jesus is God - Isaiah 30:15, Isaiah 40:25, Isaiah 41:14, Isaiah 43:15

    71. Jesus is the light - John 8:12. Jesus is God - Psalm 27:1

    72. Jesus is the Husband of believers - Revelation 19:7,9, 21:2, 21:9. Jesus is God - Isaiah 54:5

    73. Jesus gives us rest - Matthew 11:28. Jesus is God - Exodus 33:14

    74. Jesus gathers the sheep - John 10:16. Jesus is God - Ezekiel 34:11

    75. Jesus seeks and saves that which is lost - Luke 19:10. Jesus is God - Ezekiel 34:16

    76. Jesus is the Shepherd - John 10:11,14. Jesus is God - Psalm 23:1

    77. Jesus feeds the people and causes them to sit down - Mark 8:5-10, Matthew 14:19-21. Jesus is God - Ezekiel 34:15

    78. The blood of Jesus cleanses us from sin - I John 1:7. God cleanses from sin - Psalm 51:2, Ezekiel 36:25.. Jesus is God

    79. Redemption is from Jesus Christ - Romans 3:24, Colossians 1:14. Redemption is from God - Psalm 130:7. Jesus is God

    80. Christ is the Redeemer - Galatians 4:5, Galatians 3:13, Revelation 5:9, Titus 2:14. God is the Redeemer - Jeremiah 31:11, Isaiah 41:14, Isaiah 44:22, Isaiah 44:6, Isaiah 44:24. Jesus is God

    81. Jesus wrote new commandments with His finger - John 8:5-9. This is to show that He is God who wrote the 10 commandments with His finger - Exodus 31:18

    82. The Bible declares God. That God is Jesus who is written in all the scriptures - Luke 24:27, Luke 24:44, John 5:39, John 5:46

    83. ALL things are by Jesus - I Corinthians 8:6

    84. John the Baptist, the voice in the wilderness prepared the coming of the Lord - Matthew 3:3. A quote from Isaiah 40:3...He prepared the coming of Jehovah God!!!!

    85. Jesus forgave sin - Matthew 9:2, Mark 2:5....and only GOD can forgive sins - Mark 2:7. Only God can forgive sin where they are atoned for it. Jesus is God.

    86. Jesus forgave sins and healed diseases - Matthew 9:6. Only God can do that - Psalm 103:3

    87. Jesus calmed the storm - Matthew 8:26...Only God can - Psalm 107:25

    88. God was pierced - Zechariah 12:10...quoted again in John 19:37. Jesus is God

    89. God was priced at 30 pieces of silver - Zechariah 11:12-13...quoted again in Matthew 27:9....Jesus is God.

    90. Jesus returns again with His saints - I Thess. 3:13. A fulfillment of Zechariah 14:5 that says GOD will come with His saints. Jesus is God.

    91. The Jews wanted Jesus killed for the crime of Blasphemy - Matthew 26:65. In their minds He claimed to be God - John 10:33, and Equal with God - John 5:18 and forgave as only God can do - Mark 2:7, Luke 5:21...that was blasphemy is their eyes - Mark 2:7,
    Luke 5:21. Jesus by His words and actions claimed to be God...and that is why He was found guilty by the Jews of blasphemy.

    92. Jesus raised Himself from the dead - John 2:19-21. John 10:17-18

    93. Jesus will raise all the dead - John 6:39-40,44. God raises the dead both physically and spiritually - Ezekiel 37:12-14. Jesus is God

    94. The Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ are one and the same. Christ is God - Romans 8:9

    95. Jesus quickens (which means to make alive) - John 5:21. Only God can make someone alive - Ezekiel 37:5-6,9. Only God can quicken - Psalm 80:18. Jesus is God.

    96. One cannot serve God and mammon - Matthew 6:24. Only God is to be served - Romans 1:9. The One we serve is Jesus Christ - Colossians 3:24.

    97. Jesus is the one who "justifies" - Galatians 2:17. ONLY GOD can justifieth - Romans 8:33. Jesus is God.

    98. Jesus "reveals" truth - Luke 10:22, Matthew 11:27. Only GOD can reveal truth - Philippians 3:15, I Corinthians 2:10. Jesus is God.

    99. God will not share His glory with another - Isaiah 42:8, 48:11. But the Father glorifies the Son - John 17:1,5, John 12:23, John 13:31-32. Jesus is God and He is ONE with the Father.

    100. ONLY in the name of JESUS is their salvation. There is salvation is NONE OTHER - Acts 4:10-12, II Timothy 2:10. And salvation belongs to GOD - Psalm 3:8, Jonah 2:9, Lamentations 3:26, Isaiah 52:10, Psalm 51:14. Since only in the name of Jesus is there
    salvation and salvation belongs to God, that simply means Jesus is God.

    101. Jesus chooses the elect - John 15:16. Jesus is God - I Thess. 2:13, I Cor. 1:27

    102. Men are Jesus' disciples - John 13:35, John 15:8. Jesus is God - Isaiah 8:16

    103. Jesus' voice is the sound of many waters - Revelation 1:15. Jesus is Almighty God - Ezekiel 43:2.

    104. Jesus' feet are like fine brass - Revelation 1:15. Jesus is God - Ezekiel 1:7, Ezekiel 1:28

    105. Jesus' name is the Word of God - Revelation 19:13

    106. All grace comes from God - I Peter 5:10. Jesus is that God where all grace comes from - Rev 22:21, Romans 16:20, I Thess. 5:28, II Thess. 3:18

    107. Jesus comes with clouds - Rev 1:7, Matthew 24:30 - Jesus is God - Isaiah 19:1, Jeremiah 4:13, Numbers 11:25

    108. Jesus is called God - John 1:1, Hebrews 1:8

    109. Jesus is called The Great God - Titus 2:13

    110. Jesus is called The Mighty God - Isaiah 9:6

    111. Jesus is called The True God - I John 5:20

    112. Jesus is "God with us" - Matthew 1:21

    113. Jesus is called "My God" - John 20:28. Since there is "no other God" - Isaiah 45:5,21-22..that means Jesus is that God.

    114. Jesus is called "our hope" - I Timothy 1:1. We hope in Jesus - I Cor. 15:19. We are to only hope in God - I Peter 1:21, Psalm 38:15. Jesus is God.

    115. Christ is our life - Colossians 3:4. Jesus is God - Psalm 42:8

    116. Jesus is called Faithful - Revelation 19:11. Jesus is God - Deut 7:9

    117. Jesus is called True - Revelation 19:11. Jesus is God - Romans 3:4

    118. Israel temped Christ - I Corinthians 10:9. Jesus is God - Deut 6:16, Numbers 14:22.

    119. Christ sent serpents and destroyed Israel - I Cor 10:9. Jesus is God - Numbers 21:6-7

    120. Jesus rebukes and chastens - Revelation 3:19 - Jesus is God - Hebrews 12:5-7, Proverbs 3:11-12.

    121. Jesus is the Author and Finisher of faith - Hebrews 12:2

    122. God said "Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness" - Genesis 1:26. The plurality refers to the Trinity. This is not talking about the angels or heavenly host. Angels cannot create life. Secondly, nowhere is it indicated that angels are made in the image of
    God. Third, there is no indication that mankind is created in the image of angels.

    123. The plurality of the Trinity is also referred to in Genesis 3:22 and Isaiah 6:8. Jesus is God.

    124. Before Jesus became man, He had glory with the Father before the world was - John 17:5

    125. All things are given into Jesus' hand - John 3:35

    126. Jesus is described as "WHICH WAS" dead, and "IS" alive - Revelation 2:8. The one who "which was" and "which is" is Almighty God - Revelation 4:8, Revelation 1:8. Jesus is God.

    127. The "Great Day" of the Wrath of the Lamb - Revelation 6:16-17 is the "Great Day" of God Almighty - Revelation 16:14. Jesus is the Lamb who is God Almighty.

    128. Jesus is the King - I Timothy 6:15, John 18:37. Jesus is the King who is called the "only wise God" - I Timothy 1:17

    129. Jesus is called the "Just One" - Acts 22:14. Jesus is God - Isaiah 45:21

    130. Jesus "gives" repentance - Acts 5:31, Acts 3:26. Jesus is God - II Timothy 2:25

    131. Jesus reconciled all things to Himself - Colossians 1:20. Jesus is God - Romans 5:18-19

    132. Jesus brings Judgment on the churches in Revelation 2 and 3. Jesus is God - Hebrews 10:30, Deuteronomy 32:35-36

    133. God has a Father - Revelation 1:6. That God is Jesus Christ.

    134. Jesus stilled the waves and rules the sea- Matthew 8:26-27, Mark 4:39-41. Jesus is God - Psalm 89:8-9

    135. Jesus has eyes that are sent forth into all the earth - Revelation 5:6 - Jesus is God - II Chronicles 16:9

    136. To know the love of Christ is to be filled with the fulness of God - Ephesians 3:19

    137. Christ strengthens the believers - Philippians 4:13. Christ is God - Isaiah 40:29, Isaiah 41:10

    138. In Christ's presence is fullness of joy - John 15:11. Jesus is God - Psalm 16:11

    139. To see Jesus is to see the Father and to hate Jesus is to hate the Father as well - John 15:24, John 15:23

    140. Jesus turns the water into wine - John 2:7-11. A creative act to show that Jesus is Creator God.

    141. Jesus walks on water - John 6:19, Matthew 14:26, Mark 6:48 - Jesus is God - Psalm 93:4, Psalm 95:5, Psalm 72:8, Job 9:8

    142. Jesus causes the blind to see - Matthew 9:27-30, Matthew 11:5, Mark 8:22-26, Mark 10:51-52. Jesus is God - Psalm 146:8, Isaiah 35:4-5

    143. Jesus causes the deaf to hear - Matthew 11:5, Mark 7:32, Mark 7:37 - Jesus is God - Isaiah 35:4-5, Isaiah 43:7-8

    144. Jesus causes the dumb to speak - Matthew 9:32-33, Matt 15:31, Mark 7:37, Luke 11:14. Jesus is God - Isaiah 36:6, Ezekiel 24:27, Ezekiel 33:22

    145. Jesus causes the lame to walk - Matthew 11:5, Mark 2:11, Luke 7:22 - Jesus is God - Isaiah 35:6

    146. Jesus' face shines as the sun - Matthew 17:2. Jesus is God - Psalm 84:11, Malachi 4:2

    147. Jesus will inherit all nations - Psalm 2:7-8. Jesus is God - Psalm 82:8

    148. Jesus will rule all nations with a rod of iron - Revelation 12:5. Jesus is God - Isaiah 14:5-6

    149. Jesus will smite all nations with a rod or iron. He is the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God - Revelation 19:15. He is Almighty God who brings wrath.

    150. Jesus and His Father established the ends of the earth - Proverbs 30:4

    151. Jesus was without sin - II Corinthians 5:21, Hebrews 4:15, I Peter 2:22. Only God is without sin - Deuteronomy 32:4. Jesus is God

    152. Jesus is ABOVE ALL - John 3:31

    153. Jesus is GOD OVER ALL - Romans 9:5

    154. Jesus is LORD OF ALL - Acts 10:36

    155. The Lord God sent His angel to John - Rev 22:6. It is Jesus that sent His angel - Rev 22:16. Jesus is the Lord God.

    156. Jesus is called the "Lord of Glory" - I Corinthians 2:8. Jesus is YHWH God - Psalm 24:8-10

    157. Jesus gets glory now and forever - II Peter 3:18

    158. The Father calls Jesus "LORD" who made heaven and earth - Hebrews 1:10

    159. Heaven is God's throne and earth His FOOTSTOOL - Isaiah 66:1, Matthew 5:34-35. Jesus is God - Matthew 22:44, Hebrews 1:13

    160. Every knee shall bow, and "every tongue" shall confess to GOD - Romans 14:11. The God "every tongue" is confessing to is JESUS CHRIST - Philippians 2:11

    (I believe with what this article says, but this does not mean I believe everything this author or website teaches, says, and does).
  6. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    “And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him” (Acts of the Apostles 5:32).
  7. Soyeong

    Soyeong Well-Known Member

    Jesus practiced obedience to the Mosaic Law, so the position that John 14:15 is referring to something other than the Mosaic Law is the position that Jesus was a hypocrite who preached something other than what he practiced and that he is not our savior because he sinned in violation of Deuteronomy 4:2, which forbids making changes to the Mosaic Law. God is sovereign, so we are under all of His laws. In John 14:24, Jesus said that his teachings were not his own, but that of the Father, so he did not teach his own laws, and if he had, then he would not have been one with the Father because he would have been in disagreement about which laws we should follow. Jesus and the vast majority of the people he interacted with during his ministry were all under the Mosaic Covenant, so Jesus should not be interpreted as teaching things contrary to it, but rather everything he taught as in accordance with it. Everything that Jesus said after "but I say unto you..." was in accordance with the OT, while everything he said after "you have heard that it was said" was not fully in accordance with the OT, so Jesus was not making changes to what was written, but was correcting what the people had heard being incorrectly said. For example:

    Matthew 5:43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’

    While the OT does instruct us to love our neighbor, it does not instruct us to hate our enemy, so that is what he was fulfilling the law by correcting. On the contrary, loving our enemy is in accordance with verses like Exodus 23:4-5, Deuteronomy 23:7, Proverbs 24:17-18, and Proverbs 25:21-22. Even if it were true that Jesus had raised the bar and that he could do that without sinning, then that would mean that we should still obey the Mosaic Law plus whatever else you think that he raised the bar to.
  8. Clare73

    Clare73 Blood-bought

    You are confusing the identification of a believer by Jesus (one who obeys) with "necessary works" to receive the Holy Spirit.

    There can be no good works without the Holy Spirit.
  9. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    Many believers today misinterpret 2 Corinthians 3:6.

    It says,

    “Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.” (2 Corinthians 3:6).​

    Now, this verse is not saying that we are to interpret Scripture in a literal way over some overly spiritualistic interpretation (i.e. read the Bible as metaphor when it does not align with what you like to hear). The letter that kills is in reference to the Torah or the Old Testament Law of Moses (the 613 Laws of Moses given to Israel). The context is referring to the two different ways each of these covenants began and it's not talking about the letter in general like the literal commands of Jesus or His followers.

    The Old Covenant Law of Moses BEGAN with the letter with the two tablets of stone, and the written Torah.

    The New Covenant BEGAN with the audible words of Jesus Christ, and His apostles, and the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and not by the letter like with the Law of Moses. That is the point Paul was making. We are now under a New Covenant (Which means we are to serve in newness of spirit and not in the oldness of the letter - Romans 7:6). The oldness of the letter is the Torah or the Old Testament Law of Moses. We are not to serve by looking to the Law of Moses. Yes, all believers (who are truly faithful) are guided by the Holy Spirit, but the Spirit is not going to guide us into any wrongdoing, but the Spirit is going to guide us to obey what the New Testament says. The Spirit is not going to guide us into obeying the whole of the Law of Moses. The Law of Moses as a whole or package deal is no more.

    The context of 2 Corinthians 3:6 shows the differences of the two covenants.

    2 Corinthians 3:3, 2 Corinthians 3:7, 2 Corinthians 3:12-17 says,

    [3] “Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. [7] But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: [12] Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: [13] And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: [14] But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. [15] But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. [16] Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. [17] Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.”​

    The context is not saying for us to look at Scripture in a non-literal way and if you do it will bring death. The point Paul was making is that the Old Law is no more. For in the Old Law it did bring death because if somebody disobeyed God's commands in the Old Testament, you could be stoned and or killed physically by God's people (the Israelites). This does not mean we can turn God's grace into a license for immorality by saying that Jesus paid for all future sin or by just believing in Jesus alone for salvation. This is not to oversimplify God's commands in loving God and others in a way that we want when God has given us more than just the two greatest commands. In fact, obeying the 400 approximate commands in the New Testament is a partial fulfillment of the 1st greatest commandment. For to love God with all your heart is to keep His commandments. For Jesus says if you love me, keep my commandments (John 14:15). Just painting a broad brush stroke of loving God and your neighbor without truly seeking to obey all of what God says in His Word is to simply follow our own way of thinking vs. simply following what God's Word says.
  10. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    In the New Covenant (or New Testament) the Moral Laws (like: “Do not murder,” “Do not steal,” Do not covet,” “Do not commit adultery,” etc.) are repeated from the 613 laws within the Law of Moses and they still are in effect (i.e. They have been carried over into the New Testament). However, the Old Testament Law of Moses as a whole or package deal is no more (contractually speaking). Ceremonial Laws or commands: Things like the commands on circumcision, animal sacrifices, the Saturday Sabbath, dietary etc. are no longer binding under the New Covenant. This is because the written Law given to Israel is no longer in effect (as a whole). How so?

    Here are a list of verses showing us the Old Law is no more:

    "When God speaks of a "new" covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and will soon disappear." (Hebrews 8:13) (NLT).

    ”Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.” (Romans 7:4).

    "But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter." (Romans 7:6).

    "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;" (Colossians 2:14).

    20 "Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
    21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
    22 Which all are to perish with the using; ) after the commandments and doctrines of men?
    23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh."
    (Colossians 2:20-23).

    “By abolishing in His [own crucified] flesh the enmity [caused by] the Law with its decrees and ordinances [which He annulled]; that He from the two might create in Himself one new man [one new quality of humanity out of the two], so making peace.” (Ephesians 2:15) (AMPC).

    "The old [former] rule [commandment; regulation] is now set aside [nullified; abolished], because it was weak and useless [ineffective]." (Hebrews 7:18) (EXB).

    9 “Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
    10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.” (Hebrews 9:9-10).

    16 “For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
    17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.” (Hebrews 9:16-17).

    ”And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament…” (Hebrews 9:15).

    27 “And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
    28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.” (Matthew 26:27-28).

    50 “Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
    51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; “ (Matthew 27:20-51).

    8 “Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
    9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.” (Hebrews 10:8-9).

    “And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.” (Acts of the Apostles 15:1).

    “But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.” (Acts of the Apostles 15:5).

    “Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment” (Acts of the Apostles 15:24).

    28 "For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
    29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well." (Acts of the Apostles 15:28-29).

    7 "But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
    8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
    9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
    10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
    11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious." (2 Corinthians 3:7-11).

    “But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.” (2 Corinthians 3:14).​

    The Old Covenant says this about circumcision:

    "And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant." (Genesis 17:14).​

    Yet, the New Covenant says this about circumcision:

    "Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing." (Galatians 5:2).​

    The Old Covenant says this about the Sabbath:

    32 "And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
    33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
    34 And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
    35 And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
    36 And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses." (Numbers 15:32-36).​

    Yet, the New Covenant says this about the Sabbath:

    "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:" (Colossians 2:16).​

    So it appears things have changed.

    This makes sense because Hebrews 7:12 says the Law has changed.

    "For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law." (Hebrews 7:12).

    “For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.” (John 1:17).​

    In conclusion:

    You sort of have to look at the Old Covenant (Old Testament) as one contract, and the New Covenant (New Testament) as another contract. It's kind of like a contract when you buy a house. If you did not like certain things in the contract, you could ask them to make some changes in the contract. If they agreed to the changes, you would then go by the new contract, and the old contract for the house would be discarded. There may be some similar things between the old contract, and the new contract, but you stick with the new contract in your dealing with buying the house. Meaning: This is why we seek to follow the New Covenant (New Testament) primarily even though there are certain laws that have carried over from the Old Covenant (Old Testament). We are clearly not under the 613 Laws of Moses as a whole or package deal. We follow the commands that come from Jesus and His followers.
  11. Clare73

    Clare73 Blood-bought

    God temporarily added the Mosaic Covenant to the Abrahamic Covenant (Galatians 3:19; Romans 5:20), and God can subtract the Mosaic Covenant from the Abrahamic Covenant.
    Not according to God's New Covenant revelation that those laws and regulations have been abolished on the cross (Ephesians 2:15).

    On what authority does one override God's NT revelation?
  12. Clare73

    Clare73 Blood-bought

    Not orthodox Christianity.
  13. Clare73

    Clare73 Blood-bought

    Not orthodox Christianity.
  14. Clare73

    Clare73 Blood-bought

    Not in the New Covenant.
  15. Clare73

    Clare73 Blood-bought

    The Kingdom has already come down from heaven in Jesus Christ, its ruler (Luke 11:20).

    The eternal Kingdom of God is here and now, not of this world (John 18:36), but spiritual--invisible and within (Luke 17:20-21) the hearts of those where he reigns and rules now.

    There is no other Kingdom of God in addition to, or along side, this one eternal Kingdom of God (Daniel 2:44-45) come down from heaven.
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  16. Clare73

    Clare73 Blood-bought

    The way the NT teaches that they do.

    Only through faith (Ephesians 2:8-9) in and trust on the person and work (blood--Romans 3:25) of Jesus Christ for the remission of one's sin and right standing with God's justice; i.e., "not guilty," demonstrated in the growth of sanctifiction/holiness though obedience in the Holy Spirit.
  17. Clare73

    Clare73 Blood-bought

    Adam is the cause of sin. Read Genesis.
    He's not, Adam is. . .your argument fails.
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  18. Clare73

    Clare73 Blood-bought

    Straw man. . .

    All who rely on observong the law are under a curse (Galatians 3:10).
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  19. Clare73

    Clare73 Blood-bought

    "Gave them over" simply means did not stop them, it does not mean caused them.
  20. Clare73

    Clare73 Blood-bought

    Not according to NT teaching.

    We are not unconscious. See Luke 16:23-31, and Paul's teaching that even though to live is Christ,
    for him, to die is gain, because it means being present with the Lord (Philippians 1:21-23).
    There is no gain in death if it is the oblivion of unconsciousness.

    This is not orthodox Christianity.