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condition for people to be saved in their last moments

Discussion in '"My Two Cents Worth"' started by mikeforjesus, Apr 21, 2020.

  1. mikeforjesus

    mikeforjesus Senior Member Supporter

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    God will save everyone who calls on Him
    as they have opportunity

    It would seem from Romans 9:30-33 and Romans 10:1-13 works are not necessary at all if you have opportunity without which you may not have opportunity to call on Him but we know works are important as Romans 13:8-14 shows but it shows that with regard to others you don’t have to do anything for them such as to require to sacrifice anything of yourself such as money to men or to sacrifice your conscience by doing the will of men to please them you can serve them but not as to men but to God so you don’t please men to earn God favour except love them all Christ commandments are summed up in loving your neighbor it is required commandment which is also demonstrated in casting away sin so it must be done as we also see in another book it says those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires we also know works are important as Jesus says he who hears His sayings and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock also we know if someone has a faith issue he does not know about what is required we should not judge them as Romans 14:1-3 says

    Romans 9:30-33
    30 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness of faith; 31 but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone. 33 As it is written:
    “Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offense,
    And whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”
    Romans 10:1-13
    Israel Needs the Gospel
    1 Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is that they may be saved. 2 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
    5 For Moses writes about the righteousness which is of the law, “The man who does those things shall live by them.” 6 But the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ down from above) 7 or, “ ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.”

    Romans 13:8-14
    Love Your Neighbor
    (cf. Mark 12:31; James 2:8)
    8 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
    Put on Christ
    11 And do this, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep; for now our salvation is nearer than when we first believed. 12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand. Therefore let us cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armor of light. 13 Let us walk properly, as in the day, not in revelry and drunkenness, not in lewdness and
    lust, not in strife and envy. 14 But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to fulfill its lusts

    Romans 14:1-3
    The Law of Liberty
    1 Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. 2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. 3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him
     
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  2. spiritfilledjm

    spiritfilledjm Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Logical me gives this answer:

    Hebrews 10:26-27. I'd say intentionally refusing to repent until one's last moments would fall under this category. By planning this out, but living the lifestyle one wants to live, they are basically saying that God is real, Jesus is real, all of that is true, but I'm going to use a loophole that I think exists to live my life how I see fit, even though I know it's not pleasing to God.

    Optimistic me says:

    God knows their heart in the end, and it is by His grace that we are saved. Therefore, if their repentance on their deathbed is genuine, God will know and is just to forgive their sin.

    Regardless, we cannot judge one way or the other as that is not our job, only God's. All we can do is to warn people, lovingly, based on what scripture says on the matter.
     
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  3. mikeforjesus

    mikeforjesus Senior Member Supporter

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    David platt also has a book recovering faith from American dream but I do not believe it is wrong to work Paul said everyone should work or he should not eat and Paul said people should give as they prosper the problem is focusing on riches while focus is not on gospel one is not to think how to be rich just do daily tasks and let God show if it may prosper

    this video also shows how one needs to be fully commited to Christ but I do not believe anyone is correct to judge anyone who follows not correctly if he does not know can not know for sure did not see it with signs and wonders others can not do as Paul gospel that was received also most teachers are hard to trust because they don’t make sense one time they say you have to be commited and then they say you have to trust in finished work of Christ not works at all David platt also says we are not saved by works I would agree if you are justified in a moment now by your works but true faith would now continue in works if you are truly saved.

    I would say if you find church does not work that you know you can not satisfy what it says when one tries one should turn from that and only trust in christ
    Paul said people need to submit to righteousness of christ.

    I think it may be right to trust God is fair He wouldn’t judge if you don’t know baptism and communion is required but we do not know so one should be baptized and have communion and leave judgement to God if it is not required


    This person just got me thinking but it does not mean I believe all things he says is true though I don’t know of any disagreement except I believe people should be vaccinated as vaccines are not made from abortion they just knew how to make them from testing that was done with aborted cells that were already done it is irresponsible to allow for such mingling when there could be deaths if there is no signs of healing



     
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  4. mikeforjesus

    mikeforjesus Senior Member Supporter

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    I believe it is right not to believe any works are important such as baptism as people may never have known and we need to trust in God justice that He would not judge one who did not know and that God only cares about heart that person seeks to follow one in their heart and not observance if others are worried they can be baptized and have communion
     
  5. mikeforjesus

    mikeforjesus Senior Member Supporter

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    Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, trust in his name, find refuge in his cross, rely upon the power of his Spirit, trust in his righteousness, and thou art saved beyond the vengeance of the law, or the power of hell. But trust in thine own works, and thou art lost as sure as thou art alive.
    Charles Spurgeon

    Works should be done if you are saved otherwise your acceptance of Jesus may not be sincere it should be fruit of salvation if one does not help one you see has need brought to you then your faith is not true but it is not one seeking to do works of your own God has not called you to do that saves but whatever you know naturally if you know Christ and have relationship with Him that you should do

    I do believe however all works that demonstrate true faith in Christ that you accept Him and love Him are required even dying for Christ

    I believe actually works are important to do if you have opportunity to draw near to God to have relationship with Him and read bible to make sure you are having relationship with Him but it is what Christ tells you to do not your own works that may be what is meant by rely on the power of the Spirit

    One can seek to follow a Church or Christ how one thinks but if one finds one can not really measure to requirements you know it is false so you should trust in Christ alone
     
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  6. mikeforjesus

    mikeforjesus Senior Member Supporter

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    I believe I should not encourage such false ideas that misrepresent our just God that if one believes different not knowing it is wrong even if it is difficult that one may not know it is wrong just because it seems difficult because of what certain teachers have said in past who have different ideas and not knowing if priest of your church is teaching what is right
    Paul said if anyone builds on foundation of Christ with anything else he will be saved yet so as through fire

    As Paul said we should endeavour to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace
     
  7. Danthemailman

    Danthemailman Well-Known Member

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    In Matthew 27:38-44, we see that those who passed by, along with the chief priests scribes and elders blasphemed, mocked and shook their heads at Jesus and even the robbers who were crucified with Him reviled Him with the same thing. Yet, moments later, we see that one of the thieves had a "change of mind" (repentance) placed his faith in Christ for salvation and was saved. (Luke 23:40-43) That is the condition for people to be saved in their last moments.

    Luke 23:39 Then one of the criminals who were hanged blasphemed Him, saying, “If You are the Christ, save Yourself and us.” 40 But the other, answering, rebuked him, saying, “Do you not even fear God, seeing you are under the same condemnation? 41 And we indeed justly, for we receive the due reward of our deeds; but this Man has done nothing wrong.” 42 Then he said to Jesus, “Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.” 43 And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”
     
  8. mikeforjesus

    mikeforjesus Senior Member Supporter

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    I believe as the law can not save we do not know if anyone in the church is saved if they believed they could earn to deserve salvation but I don’t think many believe that just as Jesus said we are unworthy servants we have done our duty one does it as it seems required and not that God is obliged to require to have been done before if one missed opportunity but the truth is it is not that God required you to earn salvation but that works are fulfilled in those who are in a state of salvation believing is knowing that is you can not fully believe in Him properly without knowing Him to hear Him and come to Him

    you read scripture to believe in true Jesus to trust in Him to change you according to who He truly is to have relationship with the one you know to live by faith in that relationship

    The bible says strive to enter by the narrow gate for many will seek to enter and will not be able

    It means strive to know Jesus that He puts new garments in you to eat His body and drink His blood by really knowing Jesus so as to believe so when you know Jesus you are in a state of believing and saved therefore the scriptures are written to make sure you really know Him to believe to make sure you really know Him to believe to make sure you really know Him as He really is to be alive then by your faith so you are to read to make sure you always really believing in true one and is like Him


    The foolish virgins took no oil in their lamp it means they did not really consider his words to really believe and know true Jesus you have to read to believe in real Jesus to live now in real relationship with Jesus


    I have seen these videos but I don’t believe if one follows church one is not saved as those who have understanding know they do not earn their salvation

    The only safe way therefore is to trust in Christ for salvation to know Him truly only God knows if others are saved if they may not have understood who did not think they deserved salvation but believed salvation is not coming from God alone as you come to Him but just were hoping by seeking to obey Him they can be saved not having any hope and confidence that Jesus can give it

    One is justified to be saved from eternal punishment thereby to be alive from judgement to be saved for eternal life but one does not have that life currently to have it in this world to be saved now without baptism and communion we do eat and drink His body in ordinance to have that life now but it is for those who are believers only those who know Him spiritually first have the experience to believe to know He promises them life and gave that promise to them but they don’t have the life now without His blood now in the ordinance the blood is promised eternally for all the believers but the way you receive the life now is through the ordinance


    Paul washer, give up and fall upon Christ
    https://fb.watch/958b7UE3X0/
    I Never Knew You - Paul Washer
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/211582390884130/permalink/270363111672724/
     
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  9. mikeforjesus

    mikeforjesus Senior Member Supporter

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    Though one puts cart before the horse yet I do believe you need to do will of God but that is to have a relationship with Him constantly to make sure you are doing it the bible is to help to make sure to see you received the word of God properly
     
  10. mikeforjesus

    mikeforjesus Senior Member Supporter

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    I believe it is wrong to judge as one can not know what people believe and I believe anyone who believes and is sincere in one beliefs he does not know it is false can be saved. So I do wrong to judge those in churches. And I should not judge others who believe differently to me if they seek to follow God for even those who do not believe you must be doing will of God which you must yet do believe yet they do seek to make sure they are conformed to will of God they do teach you need to be conformed to it.
     
  11. mikeforjesus

    mikeforjesus Senior Member Supporter

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    Though I can not know what people believe only those who do will of God are saved it is narrow gate it requires everyone to strive because not everyone has opportunity to repent later the will of God is to believe in Jesus and to confess Him and to follow Him because if you don’t follow Him you might not have opportunity to repent
     
  12. mikeforjesus

    mikeforjesus Senior Member Supporter

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    I know tommorow is not promised to be saved you need to be living in Christ now surrendered everything to Him then you can be saved now but you can lose it so Jesus said people must die daily you are alive always as you surrender everything

    Jesus said man does not live by bread alone but by every word of God to truly receive Jesus is to live by faith His words show if one has surrendered fully and living by faith not to worry about food and clothing to trust God to provide for you as He promises for birds who do not seek to show them where the food is so He will open opportunities for you to provide for yourself as you seek first His righteousness

    as the rich man who said he will build barns and did not surrender God said to him this night your soul will be required of you he was not saved as he did not surrender the moment God takes you you have to have been thinking of surrendering

    You need to be born again which could mean to allow God to work in you fresh to forget past and He will guide you to what you need if any possessions even if they seem important such as Christian books that hinder you from following God now you should forget it

    But I would like assurance that that is sufficient and you don’t need the church so I think for those who do not know to be safe it is right to join church and seek assurance still that others can be saved
     
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  13. mikeforjesus

    mikeforjesus Senior Member Supporter

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    To be saved you need to put your trust in Jesus as your saviour and Lord to accept Him in your heart and surrender your will to Him to let Him be Lord of your life.

    To make Jesus your Lord and saviour it means not that you seek to earn salvation the law was our tutor to come to Christ. We can be saved now but Jesus says why call Him Lord Lord and not personally do whatever He tells you therefore you only need to do what the Lord personally tells you.

    If you have made Him your Lord it just means you are seeking to always make sure you know Him and are abiding in His will so you will read His word and pray to make sure you are doing it.
     
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  14. mikeforjesus

    mikeforjesus Senior Member Supporter

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    If we have submitted to repent of all we know we can know we are saved now as we seek to be doing right now what we know we need to do. Some people didn’t know exactly what they needed to do but if they followed what they know they are saved but less profitable as St Paul says if anyone builds on foundation with anything else that is not knowing what God intends for people to do is saved but so as through fire that is he will lose reward for not following the truth if one did not know the truth and could not see it but sought to follow what they think is right for any works one does for sake to earn salvation and not to build the kingdom and for not knowing what works God wants Him to focus on to be more useful.The more we work for God the greater our reward but it is our faith that saves us as we are seeking to do all we know is required of us. Every believer who does so is saved
     
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  15. mikeforjesus

    mikeforjesus Senior Member Supporter

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    The bible alone is the truth the only way to be sure you are saved is if you follow only the bible do not practice any sorcery believe on calling for dead and keep His commandments only God knows if others are saved I can not confirm it so I can not trust it but anyway the sign that other religion is false is you can not live up to its expectations even pope says he is not sure he is saved yet bible says I have written to you that you may know you have eternal life and continue if you submitted to Christ repented of all sin one has but just as the wise you worry you don’t know if you have and He said to call only Him as teacher He gave Holy Spirit to guide into all truth and bible says you have anointing and do not need that any teach you.

    Bible says only He is middle man and no other name by which we must be saved not pope no one we are saved not of our works works show we have truly received and repented the works God prepared us to walk in that means He shows one and if you are true follower you will do.

    So I call people to trust only Christ if there is a rapture we are only sure those who do so will be spared and I am not sure if others are saved without doing so so I can not teach another way bible says if any preach any other gospel let him be accursed because they can not give you assurance of salvation for all so it is false.
     
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  16. mikeforjesus

    mikeforjesus Senior Member Supporter

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    I only said the below it as I was worried that the church does not give people assurance and am offended and to maybe make people change their mind about making divisions so I thought to please them but I know better and should not make divisions that God is a just judge even though church is wrong I should not judge those in it who do not know and it is good to help people as it may offend people by actions though people have no excuse not to accept Jesus as they can follow what they believe is the truth but I should not offend them to support divisions so I will not judge
     
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  17. mikeforjesus

    mikeforjesus Senior Member Supporter

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    I believe I need to have faith in God and can not speak for God it is up to Him to decide if others are accepted I don’t believe church is true gospel as it tries to make salvation impossible for many or even if not I don’t believe it is true gospel jesus said to trust only Him unless you receive the kingdom as little child you will not enter it to receive salvation as a gift not of works to only do what God shows you who prepared already works for you to follow so you should not follow it you should leave it to God to decide
     
  18. TedT

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    The only criteria for salvation on the death bed would be if you are elect or not.

    You can take the high road of seeking righteousness or the low road of avoiding repentance as long as possible but IF YOU ARE ELECT, GOD WILL BRING YOU TO REPENTANCE and it just might cost you some harsh suffering: Read Heb 12:5-11, and pay special attention to verse 6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. where to scourge refers to being tied to the rack and flogged with the cat of nine tails.... Your choice as to how much discipline you need.
     
  19. mikeforjesus

    mikeforjesus Senior Member Supporter

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    I don’t believe in God predestining only those who He wants to be saved even if they would choose Him. He draws all men to be saved and is not willing for any to perish so it is their choice He prepared heaven for them for He knew they would choose Him and He would ensure since He knows they will continue to that He will sanctify them as they choose Him to keep them saved.
     
  20. mikeforjesus

    mikeforjesus Senior Member Supporter

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    I believe I should not support divisions as it is wrong and accept others who believe differently I know God is just judge He will not judge people who follow something they can not know is wrong for some can accept Jesus as child as a gift but just as works need to be done by anyone as they have opportunity they think other things and sacraments are necessary but they are not necessary except to raise them already to life now I know it is not absolutely necessary because there are Christian martyrs of all types and communion is not absolutely necessary because Jesus said not to fear those who kill body so no one needs to fear them even if one supposed you can convert to catholic or orthodox still they would be able to die without any ordinances
     
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