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[allhart]

This is absolutely false! The Obama care, that no one seems to realize, is going to end Medicare, it would have been so much cheaper for our nation to keep medicare, expand medicare to include those people needing coverage, then to force us all to purchase something that we may not want.
It is illegal for our government to force us to be consumers for something like insurance.
People need to think for themselves and not listen to the liberal media!! Go find real news and find out what is really going on.

The Gov't isn't to be in the business of doing business.

 

[Jake255]

The Gov't isn't to be in the business of doing business.

Exactly! Someone who gets it!

Now our gov't is in the banking business, the car business, and now the insurance business.

Smaller gov't, more jobs that are not funded by our gov't, get people working....it's a common sense approach, yet people don't get it.

 

[katherine2001]

Also, it isn't going to end well for those Christians who see the poor as being lazy bums who won't work and refuse to help the poor either. According to Christ in the last passage of Matthew 25, these people will not be in the Kingdom. He is quite clear about that. If people see the poor as lazy bums who won't work, then they are not all that likely to help them (or they give it to some organization instead of dealing with the poor face to face). For those of us who are Christians, "our" money is actually God's money and Jesus tells us to build our treasures in Heaven, and we do that by helping others. God would never begrudge our spending money to help a less fortunate person

 

[childofGod1]

Have you ever heard him say that? Do you have any evidence that this bizarre hypothesis is even marginally correct?

Can you say "Obamacare"?

I knew you could!

 

[allhart]

What immorality? Providing safety nets for the weakest of our society? You'd rather it be social darwinism, where only the strongest survive and the weak die?

I tell u what is immoral u forcing ur morals upon others. My mom getting a Gov't disabled check of $641 dollars living in false pride in a pull trailer, rather than living in comfort with family. The Gov't enables her to live this way. Independence comes with personal responsibility.

However I can't force her to live with us, but the Gov't forces me to pay for her poverty.

 

[okafor]

Also, it isn't going to end well for those Christians who see the poor as being lazy bums who won't work and refuse to help the poor either...If people see the poor as lazy bums who won't work, then they are not all that likely to help them (or they give it to some organization instead of dealing with the poor face to face). For those of us who are Christians, "our" money is actually God's money and Jesus tells us to build our treasures in Heaven, and we do that by helping others. God would never begrudge our spending money to help a less fortunate person

And that "some organization" you indicate contempt for, would that be...the government?

 

[childofGod1]

Why should we prop up the old and disabled? This has to be an all or nothing deal. Remember, this all started with taking care of the elderly, then came the disabled, then the unemployed.

Good question. Charity belongs in the private sector, not government. We prop up the elderly and disabled through charity.

In the private sector, if a mother has six kids and a crack habit, nobody will give her cash or salable items. They'll give her kids food, clothes, a home, and whatever else they need. Government will keep sending her checks. In the community, if a man refuses to work, nobody is going to hand him a wad of Benjamins every month, but they'll probably offer him a job. When an old woman is unable to care for her home, neighbors will help. Government will send her a ticket for her unmowed grass and fine her. Government rewards sloth, while community based charity encourages self sufficiency and offers real help for those who are truly unable to care for themselves. Government mismanages charity, wasting tax dollars. Private charities can provide more help with less money.

Get government out of charity. Simple.

 

[Jake255]

Also, it isn't going to end well for those Christians who see the poor as being lazy bums who won't work and refuse to help the poor either. According to Christ in the last passage of Matthew 25, these people will not be in the Kingdom. He is quite clear about that. If people see the poor as lazy bums who won't work, then they are not all that likely to help them (or they give it to some organization instead of dealing with the poor face to face). For those of us who are Christians, "our" money is actually God's money and Jesus tells us to build our treasures in Heaven, and we do that by helping others. God would never begrudge our spending money to help a less fortunate person

I don't think anyone here as said anything about the poor being lazy bums or anything other than the gov't should not steal money from some to give to others.
The Bible does say that we as the Body of Christ should care for the poor, I really don't know a Christian who doesn't give to some charitable organization, or give their time to help or use other resources they might have to help.
As the Body giving to the poor, really has nothing to do with our gov't stealing from some and giving to others.

 

[allhart]

I don't think anyone here as said anything about the poor being lazy bums or anything other than the gov't should not steal money from some to give to others.
The Bible does say that we as the Body of Christ should care for the poor, I really don't know a Christian who doesn't give to some charitable organization, or give their time to help or use other resources they might have to help.
As the Body giving to the poor, really has nothing to do with our gov't stealing from some and giving to others.

Otherthan the distinction of personal satisfaction..... Content with little vs those that are lazy comparing with those that strive for more.

 

[thaumaturgy]

Even some retards can work.

Really? You just said that???

I am amazed.

Congrats.

 

[allhart]

Really? You just said that???

I am amazed.

Congrats.

Look I have family members that are disabled...... No need to be politically correct when needing to be distinctive. I wouldn't say that to a disabled persons face to hurt their feelings. Furthermore they have more graceful and loving than anyone here! GENUINE!

 

[thaumaturgy]

I agree, we are shipping the jobs off, we should have left it the way it was.

Not sure why progressive is good, it's proven to be basically bad. Some things are better left alone.

Let me graph it out for you:

Americans were working in near slave conditions at the turn of the 19th to 20th centuries. This kept the returns high for the employer. That had to change and was spearheaded by the progressive movement.

NOW today the way corporations increase their profit is to cut the costs. One of the most expensive things is stuff related to the "Human" resources. But since they can't cut out safe working conditions and they can't make people work for slave wages 16 hours a day and they can't get child labor here in the U.S. (because of those nasty "bad" progressive reformers) they have to ship the jobs overseas to cheap labor markets.

You think that progressivism resulted in "bad" things? Excellent. You can live your philosophy and move to China or India and take a job there.

 

[Jake255]

Otherthan the distinction of personal satisfaction..... Content with little vs those that are lazy comparing with those that strive for more.

There is this verse:
2 Thess 3:10
For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "If a man will not work, he shall not eat."

 

[thaumaturgy]

What do you think Obama care is????? It's an entitlement program! Obama wants everyone on an entitlement program. We are not entitled to healthcare, it is not a right. It is illegal and unconstitutional.

But it doesn't include the "public option", that was eliminated. Ergo Obamacare is another version of the insurance company program we currently have.

The problem is WE DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY TO PAY FOR IT!
It's socialism at it's worst.
It will and is ruining our country.

LEt's have a bit of an economics lesson:

Americans pay more (almost twice as much as our nearest competitor country) per capita for healthcare than any nation on earth. Yet we don't have the top ranked healthcare system by OECD, we don't have the longest lifespan, we don't even have the lowest infant mortality rate.

What, exactly, can we "afford"? Because people who think more social medical systems are "bad" vs the U.S. system are not using an economically viable argument.

 

[Jake255]

Let me graph it out for you:

Americans were working in near slave conditions at the turn of the 19th to 20th centuries. This kept the returns high for the employer. That had to change and was spearheaded by the progressive movement.

NOW today the way corporations increase their profit is to cut the costs. One of the most expensive things is stuff related to the "Human" resources. But since they can't cut out safe working conditions and they can't make people work for slave wages 16 hours a day and they can't get child labor here in the U.S. (because of those nasty "bad" progressive reformers) they have to ship the jobs overseas to cheap labor markets.

You think that progressivism resulted in "bad" things? Excellent. You can live your philosophy and move to China or India and take a job there.

It's hilarious when people bring the "progressiveness" that we have to do, as in left wing and compare it to slavery and voting. Yes this kind was good but.....now......

We have the gov't setting up entitlement programs, one in which THERE IS NO MONEY TO SUPPORT THEM. Not even increasing taxes will pay for obama care.

How do you run your household budget? Are you in such dire debt problem or can you yourself figure out that we can not spend more than what we bring in?

Stop trying to compare apples and oranges.

 

[allhart]

There is this verse:
2 Thess 3:10
For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "If a man will not work, he shall not eat."

We are on the same page. I was stating that some are content with having enough to get by and others are willing be poor sacrificing for the love of having children. Compared to those that are capable but are lazy, envy and want what others have.

 

[Jake255]

But it doesn't include the "public option", that was eliminated. Ergo Obamacare is another version of the insurance company program we currently have.



LEt's have a bit of an economics lesson:

Americans pay more (almost twice as much as our nearest competitor country) per capita for healthcare than any nation on earth. Yet we don't have the top ranked healthcare system by OECD, we don't have the longest lifespan, we don't even have the lowest infant mortality rate.

What, exactly, can we "afford"? Because people who think more social medical systems are "bad" vs the U.S. system are not using an economically viable argument.

The government is not a business!! It's the gov't. We can not have our gov't running insurance companies, car companies or anything else company! Keep the gov't out of business.

Our healthcare is not going to get any better if that is what you are worried about at the moment. If infant mortality rate is bad now, just wait and see what it's going to be like.

We can not "AFFORD" obama care. lol They already know we can't afford it, that's why they want to raise the debt ceiling, so we can borrow MORE money.

Keep entitlement programs out of our gov't and keep it in public charitable organizations. It's not that difficult to figure out.

Our gov't was set up to govern people NOT to take care of them.

 

[DieHappy]

All welfare and social programs would be fixed immediately if people just used them when they needed it and got off as soon as possible. Most these days get nice and comfortable and never get off.

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

Exactly!

Not everyone can be on entitlement programs, which is what our current president wants, but then socialism doesn't/hasn't/won't work.

It'll ruin a country for sure.

Have you ever studied socialism?

 

[allhart]

Proverbs 28:2 When a country is rebellious, it has many rulers,
but a ruler with discernment and knowledge maintains order.

A bunch of type A personalities! All 600 of them.