If you think "I don't believe you to have correct theology" is a declaration of war, then that tells me you've not seen as much as you appear to believe you have seen.
I don't know what you are trying to say here.
I'm talking "One entire denomination declaring that they intend to actively target, tear down, and destroy another denomination."
Oh, you mean like how Mormons do with their door to door proselytizing of Christians? Or is this just a bad thing if
other people do it to Mormons?
That's what a stunt like what you proposed would be seen as: a declaration of intent to utterly annihilate, possibly even through acts of violence.
Yeah..I'm glad you liked my idea enough to take it totally seriously and obsess over it for several posts now, but I don't think God needs me and a dozen t-shirts in order to destroy Mormonism (and I don't know where the violence is coming from in this plan; I guess they could accidentally strangle themselves or trip and fall over while putting them on or something, if your leaders are exceptionally dumb or uncoordinated, but how would I know that ahead of time?). I think He's doing a pretty darn good job with ex-members here on CF, at websites like exmormonfoundation.org, the ex-Mormon reddit page (with 125,000 people on it); YouTube channels like iamanexmormon, Brother Jake, New Name Noah, etc.; with comparative religion series' from various Christian perspectives (Ancient Faith Radio's "Orthodoxy and Heterodoxy" series has a bit on Mormonism during its episode on new religions; the Southern US Diocese of the Coptic Orthodox Church has a whole unit on Mormons and JWs in its religious education courses; entire ministries, particularly in Utah, are founded by ex-Mormons to reach Mormons and get them out of the cult, etc.); and so on.
...And yes, even here on the forums I recall people saying "You Mormons declared war on us, so why should we care if someone hurts or kills you?".
Alright...you joined here in February of 2014, whereas I joined in August of that same year, so I guess some really crazy things could've in the seven months or so between the two dates, but I don't recall ever seeing such a thing here. I think you might have a better memory for things you consider violence and threats than I do, seeing as how you're always bringing them up, and tend to see them in places where I don't, as I mentioned above.
So "holding steady even when people turn churning out hate literature into a cottage industry" is somehow a loss?
No. Attempting for nearly two centuries to convert the entire planet to your cult, and still only having some minor Micronesian islands to your name for all your trouble would seem to indicate that your religion is not quite the true, Christianity-restoring, revealed faith that you claim it is. Being rejected at basically every turn by everyone who knows the scriptures that you supposedly base your faith on (the Bible, not the two JS-authored works) shows that basically everyone who knows thing one about Christianity knows to avoid your missionaries like a flaming bag of dog business on the porch.
Or "getting permission to build a temple behind the Iron Curtain because we went in through the front door"?
What is that supposed to prove, exactly? The Iron Curtain hasn't been up since 1991. Are you still stuck in the 1990s when Mormonism was actually growing rapidly, as opposed to now, when its growth rate has slowed to the point where
the 2017 numbers represented the fewest converts of any year in the previous 30 years? Besides, it doesn't' seem as though there could be very many people ever using that temple, as the Mormon population of Russia is only about 20,000 (and that's rounding
up), out of a total population of 146 million (and that's rounding
down) -- or 0.01%.
So, yeah. Super impressive. One hundredth of one percent. There are
substantially more Christians than that
in North Korea. Now, if you guys managed to open up a temple
there right now, that'd be something! I still wouldn't believe in your religion, but it'd be far more impressive than gloating over something that you guys did decades ago.
Or "whether you want to admit it or not, members of the church are slowly shaping the culture as we know it"?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Thanks. I needed the laugh.
Remember -> it was a Mormon who invented television as we know it; we wouldn't even be having this conversation without that.
Remember: it was a non-Mormon who invented the computer,a non-Mormon who invented the telephone; a non-Mormon who invented the lightbulb; a non-Mormon who founded the postal system; a non-Mormon who invented the wheel; a non-Mormon who domesticated the horse; a non-Mormon who discovered fire...stop me when I get to something that actually makes a point about anything...
You mean like the ministers who have apologized for the bullying tactics of anti-Mormons?
No. It's only you that equates other people disagreeing with you with automatically being bullies and violent and all of this nonsense, so no, that's obviously not what I mean.
Or the National Council of Christians and Jews when they denounced "The Godmakers" as "hate" material?
Nor that. If it weren't for the internet and the fact that the cartoon in that film is so hilarious (about the "Mormon Jesus" and the "Mormon Elohim"...you know the one, I'm sure), I doubt anyone would even remember "The Godmakers" now. Well, that and the fact that you like to bring it up nearly as much as the anti-Mormons you talk about do.
Even people within mainline Christianity are starting to realize that mainline Christianity has gone too far, so much so that elements thereof are poisoning the body as a whole to get at us.
You write like a 'reporter' for the National Inquirer. "Sources say", "Some people believe", "People within mainline Christianity", etc. Get out of here with your vague accusations and assertions about people who for all anyone knows only exist inside your own head to further your narrative of persecution and triumph over enemies in every place.
Yes, I was once witness to an exchange where a Protestant minister so publicly behaved in a vile fashion that someone declared their intention to join us to get away from him and any denomination that would have him as a minister.
Wow. I'm impressed how your religion could so convince someone I've never heard of who may not exist to
not be like someone else I've never of who may not exist. Your religion sure must be true. That sure says a lot
about your religion. Not about the way that the guy was acting, but
about your religion.
Yep. That's what it says. That's what I take out of the story, because I have no critical thinking skills whatsoever. Where do
I sign up to be a Mormon?
It continues merrily along, still drawing lines in the sand over issues where other denominations are giving in to the way of the world and still trying to go through the front door wherever possible.
Hahahahahahaha.
This was almost as funny as the bit you said about Mormons shaping the culture. Not quite, but almost. Maybe you should quit your job at the National Mormon Inquirer and go be a comedian.
...Which is why the Christian counter-cult needs to do some *serious* house-cleaning and pronto...
I don't know what you're even talking about with this. I was talking about Mormonism and the fact that the internet is exposing it to have more holes in its history, theology, and apologetics than the world's largest round of Swiss cheese. You're talking about the "Christian counter-cult movement" instead, because I guess that's what you've been exposed to a lot. I kinda doubt that those of us in actual Christian churches would've had all that much contact with such a movement, let alone been targeted at our churches by it, yet Mormons such as yourself talk a lot about first-hand experience with this "Christian counter-cult movement".
I wonder why that could be. Hmmmmmmm.
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