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So it appears that your contention is I haven't read the OT. On what do you base such a silly idea? No one needs to understand anything more than they need a Savior.
I did not ask you if you have read the Old Testament. I have asked you what was written below...
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Actually no this is not what God's Word says the Old Covenant is. What makes up the Old Covenant and what was the purpose of the Old Covenant laws?
But you have not answered the question.
All the information necessary is found in the NT.
Does this mean in your view that the OLD Testament is not needed today? Did you know that the OLD Testament was the bible in the days of Jesus and the Apostles and that everything from the NEW Testament come from the OLD Testament scriptures and that together these are the two great witnesses that make of the Word of God?
How do you reconcile these scriptures...
2Timothy 3
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Matthew 4
4, But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD that proceeds out of the mouth of God.
Psa 119
11, Your word have I hid in my heart, that I might not sin against you.
Faith doesn't require knowledge
and yet it is God's Word that says...
2 Peter 1
4, Whereby are given to us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these you might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
5, And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue KNOWLEDGE;
6, And to KNOWLEDGE temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
7, And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
2 Peter 2
20, For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the KNOWLEDGE of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2 Peter 3
18, But grow in grace, and in the KNOWLEDGE of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
Hebrews 10
26, For if we sin willfully after that we have received the KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH, there remains no more sacrifice for sins, 27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
1 Timothy 3
3, For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; 4, Who will have all men to be saved, and to come to the KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH.
Colossains 1
9, For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that you might be filled with the KNOWLEDGE OF HIS WILL in all wisdom and spiritual understanding
Philippians 3
8, Yes doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the KNOWLEDGE of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
Sorry my friend there is too many scritpures and many that were not added here.
It seem that God's Word disagrees with you. You need a KNOWLEDGE of the truth in order to be saved and in order to have something to BELIEVE or have faith in.
All you're attempting to do is draw me and others away from the NT. Why?
I am not trying to draw you away from the NT I only asked you what in your view is the OLD Covenant. I ask this because many do not know what makes up the OLD Covenant laws and as a result do not understand what the NEW Covenant is.
I believe the evidence is you don't believe the NT. Sorry but that isn't the OT at least in my Bible.
Of course I believe in the NT scriptures just as much as the OT scriptures. I believe that God's Word makes up both the OT and NT scriptures and together they are the Word of God.
It you say that says that you do not need KNOWLEDGE of the scriptures to be saved and you do not believe the OLD testament scriptures are required any more in God's Word not me.
In-other-words the OT doesn't support your idea or you would have offered it.Hmm!
What idea? This does not make much sense
your words are carefully selected.
Yes they are God's Words not mine. I love God's Word.
your posting history proves you believe saved by faith (not true) plus keeping your version of the law aka ten commandments specifically the 4th. So you clearly promote salvation by works of the law. Jesus isn't enough.What fruit of obedience to what did the thief on the cross have? Romans 6:23 says salvation is a gift. You believe you must earn it. Then it's not a gift.
Well that is not true. Of course we are ONLY saved by GRACE through FAITH and NOT of OURSELVES it is a GIFT of GOD and not or WORKS lest any man should boast.
However, IF your FAITH does not have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE then you are still in your SINS because you have rejected the GIFT of God's dear Son (James 2:18: 20: 26).
If your tree has no FRUIT it will be cast down and thrown into the FIRE come judgement day (Matthew 7:12-23). Now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth NOT forth good fruit is CUT down, and cast into the fire (Matthew 3:10).
If you are still in your SINS when he gives you a KNOWLEDGE of the truth then you do not KNOW him who calls you in LOVE to LOVE another as he first LOVED you.
We are talking here about SIN and how if you practice KNOWN SIN it will keep you out of God's KINGDOM. The very first step of OBEDIENCE is to BELIEVE GOD. Faith is the VICTORY the theif on the CROSS BELIEVED GOD and his FAITH was counted for RIGHTEOUSNESS. He was FORGIVEN for his SINS and did NOT CONTINUE in them. God's Word says those that practice SIN do not KNOW God (1 John 2:3-4).
I just don't understand why you must continue to condemn and lock others out that refuse to accept your false doctrine with Hebrews 10:26-27.
I do not judge you or others of condemns anyone. I only share God's Word. If you feel convicted then it is between you and God not me and you because they are God's Words not mine. All are free to BELIEVE or not BELIEVE God's Word. It is God's Word that will be our judge in the last days (John 12:47-48)
There's no such requirement found in the NT to keep the law.
Well that is not true please see the scriptures linked here.
And you want us to believe you have respect for the Scripture specifically the law which you don't keep without changing it to suit your ideas. It's no small wonder why the unregenerate are so hard to reach with the Gospel. Religion does not great favor to the Gospel. What more proof is needed to prove you don't accept the NT.
God will be our judge. We should BELIEVE and FOLLOW his Word. For me, he must increase and I must decrease. I only point all to the Word of God because it is there we find the one who loves us that we may love him. I know him and am known by him. All that he shows me I see and must show to all because I am blind.
He tells me it is those that see that do not see. These are they that have once known him or do not know him. Who am I that he should choose me out of the world? I am no one but he is all. If I did not believe him I would not know him. What can I do without him? He is love and now I love. I follow him now because I love him who first loved me.
I do not judge you but His Word will judge us because they are there for all to see. All are welcome to see and hear God's Word, however many are called but few are chosen.
Ephesians 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
The key word used here is contained in "ORDINANCES" what do you think that the words I highlighted in RED mean? If you read the OP you would know the meaning. It is the same GREEK Word used in Col 2:14.
This is very clear the law is abolished.
Seems like God's Word disagrees with you (Linked)
2 Corinthians doesn't talk about abolishing Moses' face.Understanding the old covenant doesn't really matter because it has been replaced and no longer has any authority over any one including the Jew.
Romans 2
28, For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29, But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Who is God's Israel in the NEW Covenant?
If sin is wrong doing, I've knowledge of sin by a leather belt and current civil laws.
WHAT IS SIN?
James 2
8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well:
9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW
James is pretty clear if we brake ANY of God's Law (10 commandments) then we are a TRANSGRESSOR of God's LAW
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1 John 3
4 Whosoever commits SIN transgresses also the law: for SIN is the transgression of the law.
John is in agreement with James and states that if we TRANSGRESS God's LAW then we commit SIN because SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF GOD'S LAW. So it is very clear that SIN is breaking ANY of God's LAW (10 commandments)
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Romans 7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known SIN, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Well here we have Paul in agreement with James and John also telling us that SIN is breaking God's commandments and uses the 10th commandment as an example of breaking any of God's LAW (10 commandments) = SIN (Exodus 20:17)
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Romans 3
20, Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.
Once again Paul is in agreement with John and James which all agree together that if we break any of God's LAW (10 commandments) we commit SIN because as James, John and Paul all agree together that SIN is breaking ANY of God's 10 commandments.
God's Word is in disagreement with you my friend. SIN is the transgression of God's LAW (10 commandments)
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
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God's Word says SIN in breaking God's LAW
Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
I love that scripture. It is talking about those that BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's Word by FAITH by receiving God's Spirit. However don't forget that God ONLY Gives the Holy Spririt to those who OBEY him and have REPENTED from their SINS (Breaking God's Commandments) (Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:32)
I simply can't believe you want to say God winks at sin.
It is God's Word not mine that says....
Act 17
30, And the times of this ignorance God winked at <When someone does not know and has no knowledge of the truth>; but now <when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth is come> commands all men every where to repent.
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Hebrews 10
26, For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,
27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
31, It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
I'm sorry for you because of your refusal to believe the truth.
Dont be, I BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD and his truth. Feel rather sorry for all those that practice KNOWN SIN, it will keep them out of God's KINGDOM if they continue in SIN (Hebrews 10:26-31)
You keep trying to threaten me with eternal damnation over something that has no jurisdiction.
As said earlier, I do not judge you or others of condemns anyone. I only share God's Word. If you feel convicted then it is between you and God not me and you because they are God's Words not mine. All are free to BELIEVE of not BELIEVE God's Word. It is God's Word that will be our judge in the last days (John 12:47-48)
Hope this helps..
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In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
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