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COL 2:14-17 The REAL truth from God's Word

Discussion in 'Sabbath and The Law' started by LoveGodsWord, Aug 10, 2017.

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  1. BobRyan

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    Hi David -

    Yes I am ... thanks for asking. :)

    Galatians 5:22-23 comes to mind.

    So also 1 John 5:2-3
     
  2. LoveGodsWord

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    LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF GODS LAW IN US

    The New Covenant promise....

    Ezekiel 36:25-27

    25, Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26, A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27, And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

    Hebrews 8:10-12
    10, For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: 5 and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 11, And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. 12, for I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

    Love fulfills God's Law.....

    Matthew 22:36-40
    36, Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37, Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38, This is the first and great commandment. 39, And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. 40, On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

    Whosoever keeps his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. God is love; and he that dwells in love dwells in God, and God in him. He that loves not knows not God; for God is love. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments......

    Romans 13:8-10

    8, Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loves another hath fulfilled the law. 9, For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. 10, Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law

    James 2:8-12
    8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well: 9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

    1 Corinthians 13:13

    And now abides faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

    Love in action, comes by faith and faith come by hearing and hearing comes by the Word......

    1 Corinthians 13:2
    And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

    1 Timothy 6:10
    For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

    Without love of God, we are nothing and err from the faith..........

    James 2:14-17
    14, What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

    James said without love, our faith is dead.

    1 John 3:17-18

    But whoso hath this world's good, and sees his brother have need, and shutts up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwells the love of God in him? 18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

    John said without Gods love, God does not dwell in us.

    Matthew 5:43-48
    Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he makes his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? 47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

    Romans 13:10
    Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.


    1 Thessalonians 3:12-13
    And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men, even as we do toward you: 13 To the end he may establish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

    Hebrews 12:14
    Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord.

    We cannot hate one person, but love all people. We have to have love with all people,or there is no faith. Love is greater than faith but if there is no faith there is no love............

    Revelations 2:4-5
    Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. 5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

    Galatians 5:5-6
    For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision avails any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which works by love.

    Faith works by love and love is the fulfilling of the law in us who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit.....................

    Ephesians 2:8
    For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God.

    No faith means no love for all people, even our enemies. If we hate even one person, or do not care about them according to the God's Word, then we lack faith and love...............

    We are saved by grace through faith, so we have to have faith to have grace apply.

    If we lack in love ,then our faith is dead, we have no grace and no salvation...........

    James 2:21-24

    Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 See thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

    Abraham did the work of God,and his faith was made perfect, for a person is justified by works,and not faith alone, for love is the fulfilling of God's Law through the Spirit of Love.........

    James 2:25-26
    Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

    Rahab did the work of helping the 2 Jewish men and she was justified by her works,
    for love is the fulfilling of God's Law through the Spirit of Love.........

    Without works of love towards God and man,then faith is dead. This is not a part time thing, but all the time. Every thought must be to the obedience of Christ. We cannot hate one person but care and love all, even our enemies...........

    God is love. God hates sin, and wants us to abstain from sin by the Spirit, to be right with Him. Sin does affect our relationship with God............

    1 Corinthians 13:4-7
    Love suffers long, and is kind; charity envies not; charity vaunts not itself, is not puffed up,
    5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeks not her own, is not easily provoked, thinks no evil; 6 Rejoices not in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; 7 Bares all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.....

    2 Timothy 2:19
    Nevertheless the foundation of God stands sure, having this seal, The Lord knows them that are his. And, Let every one that names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

    1 Corinthians 15:34
    Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

    Love is the fulfilling of God's Law in us who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit (Romans 8:4). God is love and he that dwells in love dwells in God and he in him. Love is not selfish, not arrogant, and does not sin. This includes the 7th Day Sabbath which is one of the 10 because if we break one we are guilty of breaking all. (Exodus 20:8-11; James 2:8-12; Hebrews Chapter 4; Mark 2:27-28). Jesus says; If you love me keep my commandments (John 14:15)

    May God bless you
     
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  3. stuart lawrence

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    When people only have the ability to copy/ paste the letter, but cannot respond when asked to do so concerning the letter they quote. When they cannot answer questions put to them, only deflect from doing so.
    It says much
     
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    No love in demanding of others what you do not demand if yourself
     
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    Do you ever commit any sin LGW?

    Will you answer, or pass?
     
  6. Dig4truth

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    Excellent scriptures!
    Anyone that does a cursory examination of the scriptures can see the connection between loving God and keeping His Instructions (Torah).

    What is puzzling is that some believe that the Instructions (Torah) that is written on our hearts is different than what was written on stone. I'm not sure where or even why that belief has crept in. Well, I suppose I could guess why.
     
  7. Dig4truth

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    It is difficult to understand what we should do with the Torah if we do not know our identity.

    So, what is our identity in Messiah Yeshua?

    Heb 8:8-10 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:


    (God entered into this Covenant with the people of Israel, they are God's people. If anyone is not a part of Israel through the New Covenant they are not a part of God's people. God only has one people.)



    John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

    One fold, not two!


    Eph 2:19-20 Now therefore ye (Gentiles) are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

    A citizen is a member of a nation.


    Eph 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:


    (If the Gentiles are not strangers but fellowcitizens then they are a part of Israel. If the Gentiles are of the same body as the believing Jews, like Paul was, then the commands that are for the Jews are for the Gentiles also. A house or "body" divided against itself will not stand but we know that the redeemed of God will be eternal. Therefore, the Jews and Gentiles are truly "one" in Messiah. How can anyone say that God's commands are for the Jews and not the Gentiles?)



    Rom 11:17-18 And if some of the branches be broken off (natural branches, {Israelites}), and thou, being a wild olive tree (wild branches, {Gentiles}), wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

    Notice the all important key words; "Among them" and "With them".


    Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
    This point is clear, the Gentiles are grafted into Israel's olive tree with Yeshua being the root. The Gentiles do not become Jews but they do become citizens of Israel according to God. The Torah (Law), which includes the commands, was given to Israel.



    Knowing our identity is key to understanding our relationship to God's Torah (Teaching and Instruction).
     
  8. Dig4truth

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    I want to labor this point of only one people.

    Out of only two groups, or things, how many can be chosen? The answer can only be ONE. If both groups are included then there is no distinction, and no choice has been made.

    Is this a clear principle?

    Now, according to God, there are only two groups of people on the earth; Israel and the nations (the rest of the peoples).

    "For you are a holy people to the LORD your God; the LORD your God has chosen you to be a people for His own possession out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth. Deut 7:6

    It was He who made the distinction as an act of His choosing. He is God and He gets to do that.
    Now that we have established that God has chosen a people from the entire earth, namely Israel, what about the church? Can the church be another “chosen” people? Well again, there can only be one “choice” from two possibilities.
    What can we know for sure about Israel? They are chosen, they are a kingdom of priests, they are a holy (set apart) people unto God.
    What can we say for sure about the church? [The word “church” means the “called out” or “set apart” people].


    Is there any doubt that God ONLY has ONE chosen people? If so, put it to rest.


    Rom 3:30-31 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

    Rom 12:5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

    I Cor 6:16-17 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

    I Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

    Gal 3:28-29 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

    Eph 2:14,18 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

    Eph 4:4-6 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.


    I know of no Scripture that identifies two groups of "chosen" people of God. It has always been Israel, It still is Israel. Are you a part of God's people?
     
  9. klutedavid

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    Hello Dig4truth.

    Have you ever seen a picture of an olive tree?
     
  10. Dig4truth

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    Yes I have.
    Here is an interesting passage that is related.


    Jer 11:16-17 The Lord called your name,
    A green olive tree, beautiful in fruit and form”;
    With the noise of a great tumult
    He has kindled fire on it,
    And its branches are worthless.

    17 The Lord of hosts, who planted you, has pronounced evil against you because of the evil of the house of Israel and of the house of Judah, which they have done to provoke Me by offering up sacrifices to Baal.
     
  11. klutedavid

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    You replied that you have seen an olive tree.

    The olive tree has separate branches that form the trunk of the tree. We Gentiles were grafted into the root of the olive tree, not onto one of the branches. Gentiles are directly rooted into Christ, we are the body of Christ, members of God's household.

    Gentiles never become Jews, we are a new creation in Christ, behold all things are new!
    There are no Jews or Greeks in the kingdom of Christ.
     
  12. Dig4truth

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    Yes, olive trees have branches.
    In the scriptures they are described as "natural branches" and "wild branches".

    As someone who has done some grafting on fruit trees, I can say that the branch that is grafted into the tree is done on a branch that is removed partially. It is not grafted into the root.

    There are certain pines that I'm aware of that can be grafted into a root. For instance, a white pine can be grafted into another pine near the root (base of trunk) to make the tree hardier. However, it now is considered a white pine regardless of the root that it is grafted into. I had a white pine bonsai that was grafted into another trunk.

    The scriptures speak about "branches being removed" so that another branch can be grafted in. It is clear that this is the normal way of grafting a fruit tree. It is not grafted into the root.

    The Scripture also says that it is "their own olive tree", speaking of Israel.

    But please don't take my word on it, let's read it from the text;

    Rom 11:1,17-24 I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

    17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree, 18 do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. 22 Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these who are the natural branches be grafted into their own olive tree?

    No argument that the root supports the tree, but the branches are grafted into the places where other branches are broken off.

    There is a difference between an ethnic identity of a Jew and a national identity of an Israelite.

    Not all Jews are Israelites and not all Israelites are
    Jews.


    Now to the point; Are you suggesting that there is another group besides Israel that God has chosen?

    A related question is; If you believe that there is another group, what position does Israel have, if you believe that Israel still has a position?

    Keep in mind that Paul begins this portion of scripture with the declaration that Israel has not been rejected and he ends it with "their own olive tree".

    Last question. Do these facts indicate to you that we are grafted into one group which still contains the identity of Israel? Some would further define this group as the redeemed of Israel or the remnant of Israel, as I would probably qualify them as well.
     
  13. LoveGodsWord

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    Let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou might be justified in thy sayings, and might overcome when thou art judged...

    For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, they which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.


    Who are Israel?


    Israel" is only a name given by God himself to represent his people. It has its origin from Gen 32:28 where Jacob wrestled with the Angel and prevailed ...for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. Its meaning is his posterity will rule as God. Jacob had 12 sons representing the 12 tribes of Israel. This is God's people and today anyone the is following Jesus is part of God's spiritual Israel according to God's Word. The same New Covenant is written for God's people who are now spiritual Israel following. Scripture support;

    For it is written…

    Let God be true and every man a liar that thou might be justified in thy sayings, and might overcome when thou art judged.

    Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He says not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of one, and to thy seed, which is Christ

    Now who is Abraham’s seed?

    There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus and if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

    For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, they which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

    For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: but he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

    More?

    Galatians 3:28-29,
    There is neither Jew nor Greek
    , there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

    Colossians 3:11,
    Where there is neither Greek nor Jew,
    circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

    Romans 10:11-13,
    For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

    Romans 2:28-29,
    For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly;
    neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

    Who is the New Covenant for?

    Jeremiah 31:33-4,

    But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, says the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

    Hebrews 8:10-12,
    For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

    Hebrews 10:14-17,
    For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, this is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; and their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

    If you believe God's Word and are Christs you are Abraham's seed and part of God's Israel.....

    Galatians 3:29,

    And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise

    God's Israel are the same that they have always been. Israel represent God’s followers that believe and obey God's Word. If you are not part of God's Israel you are not part of the New Covenant (Heb 8:10-12). Gentile believers are now grafted in and are also God's Israel in Christ and Abraham's seed (Romans 11:1-27; Galatians 3:39)

    In Christ Always!
     
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    Great!
    You'd be surprised how many people say that Israel is now over and the "church" is now God's people. Also, that God's instruction (Torah) is over and done away with instead of being written on our hearts.
    As you have illustrated, there are numerous scriptures that put the real picture together for us.
     
  15. LoveGodsWord

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    Yes I have come across a few. I think many need to believe so in order to hold on to their interpretations of scripture. We must believe the Word of God over the teaching's of man but spiritual things are spiritually discerned. The spirit from God is only given to those that love and follow him. How can we know him if we do not believe what he says? Happy Sabbath friend
     
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    Hello Dig4truth.

    Thanks for your reply.
    Olive trees do not have a trunk, that is why the olive tree was chosen by Paul.
    Correct, may I add that Paul says, 'were grafted in among them'. Paul does not say that the Gentile branches are grafted onto the Jewish branches. We Gentiles stand among the Jewish believers, grafted into the root. An olive tree does not look like other trees.
    Correct, but an olive tree is not an ordinary tree, we are not grafted onto the end of a Jewish branch. The scripture says, 'remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you'.
    As I said before the branch of an olive tree is not attached to the trunk of an olive tree. Hence, remove a branch from an olive tree and you remove the entire branch from the root itself.
    The scripture does not say what you just said.
    This can get complex, there are a variety of definitions of what defines a Jew.
    Yes, God broke the previous covenant He had with that old theocratic Israel, and established a new covenant with all nations.
    Israel as a nation has not existed for two thousand years, there is no getting around this fact. The old was replaced by the new, a new covenant was established by Christ in His blood. There is now no difference between a Jew and a Gentile, the Jews no longer are considered to be the chosen, the elect nation. The new covenant is by faith and not by works, the family tree has no bearing in the new covenant. A direct descendant of Abraham holds no privilege over anyone else.
    Yet the old covenant that God had with Israel was terminated by Christ. Thus the distinction that Paul makes between Jew and Gentile became a redundant argument. The nation of Israel that Paul knew when he wrote the letter to the Romans, became an extinct identity not long after Paul wrote the letter.
    The identity of theocratic Israel disappeared two thousand years ago. I only recognize the new creation in which there is neither Jew or Greek. Only one group, one people, one faith, one Lord.

    God cancelled that old covenant with the nation of Israel, that is scripture. After all, it was all really about the promise Himself and not the bloodline.
     
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    Hello LoveGodsWord.

    If you quote from a book or an internet site you will need to quote the source. We need to know the source of your information. The law will not allow you to quote without mentioning who wrote the original. If you attend university and you omit the sources of the information, you will be expelled from university.
     
  18. LoveGodsWord

    LoveGodsWord Well-Known Member

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    Hello Friend,

    Yes this is true. My source is God's Word. I quote God's Word. The work is my own that he gave. So I must let the light shine and preach on the housetops because this is what he has asked of me. His Words are not mine but him who sends me. I just listen and he tells me and I repeat them. I am only a messenger. He must increase and I must decrease. He promises to give his Spirit to know His Word (John 14:26; 16:13: 7:17) because spiritual things are spiritually discerned. If any man wills to do his will he shall know of the doctrine whether it is of God or not but this is conditional on continuing in his Word and seeking him to teach us as little children. Ask and it shall be given you, seek and you shall find knock and the door shall be opened unto you.
     
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  19. klutedavid

    klutedavid Well-Known Member

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    Hello LGW.

    So what translation of the scripture are you using?
     
  20. klutedavid

    klutedavid Well-Known Member

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    Hello LGW.

    Which commandments are being spoken of above?
     
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