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Clinton campaign, DNC helped fund dossier research

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by redleghunter, Oct 25, 2017.

  1. KCfromNC

    KCfromNC Regular Member

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    I'm curious the distinction you're trying to draw between "funding the dossier" and "funding research which eventually became the dossier". Seems like an incredibly fine hair to split to prove, well, whatever it is supposed to show about the validity of the research.
     
  2. Rion

    Rion “Progress, the religion of those who have none.” Supporter

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    Funding research into digging up a candidate's dirty laundry during a campaign is quite different from fabricating a dossier that allegedly ties your opponent to a foreign power. The Senate Republicans are already digging into the possibility that the dossier was used to get the FISA warrents, etc. If that is the case, then it could spell big problems for the DNC, the Clintons, and the previous administration.
     
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  3. KCfromNC

    KCfromNC Regular Member

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    Fabricating?
     
  4. Rion

    Rion “Progress, the religion of those who have none.” Supporter

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    Considering that most of it is impossible to verify, and much of it is just... stupid? Yeah, I'd call it fabricated.
     
  5. KCfromNC

    KCfromNC Regular Member

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    Given Trump, stupid is hardly an indication that something didn't happen.

    Getting back to the point, though, I'm curious about the distinction you're trying to draw between "funding the dossier" and "funding research which eventually became the dossier". Seems like an incredibly fine hair to split to prove, well, whatever it is supposed to show about the validity of the research.
     
  6. Rion

    Rion “Progress, the religion of those who have none.” Supporter

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    Because one is just random 'news' you can publish in a rag, while the other has a much bigger potential to blow up, either in the target's face or yours. In this case, Gowdy, etc. are already looking into if the Obama administration used the dossier to get warrants. If they did, and Clinton and the DNC paid to have this thing made, it suddenly goes from simple opposition research and into possible criminal conspiracy territory. Comey and the Obama administration will have to prove that they weren't aware of its origin, and even then HRC and the DNC may still be in hot water.
     
  7. KCfromNC

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    I'm still not seeing why you're leaving out the Republican funding of part of the research. Seems incredibly selective.

    For what?
     
  8. Rion

    Rion “Progress, the religion of those who have none.” Supporter

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    It wasn't "Republican" as in a candidate. It was a news rag that favors Republicans. There was no primary contender who paid for it.

    Willful misrepresentation of campaign expenditures. They listed it as legal expenditures.
     
  9. MoonlessNight

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    I'm amazed upon opening this thread to learn that there's still people who think that this piece of fanfiction is real.
     
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  10. KCfromNC

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    So?

    If that's true - and you suddenly seem very ready to accept anonymous sources saying that it is - then hopefully the people involved face the appropriate punishment.

    But none of that changes the truth, if any, of the claims in the report.
     
  11. Rion

    Rion “Progress, the religion of those who have none.” Supporter

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    That's what the claim was since nearly the beginning.

    You really think Trump paid hookers to pee on a bed and ran into the bathroom to say he hated black people?
     
  12. KCfromNC

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    I was questioning why that makes any difference at all to anything? Seems like yet another attempt to avoid looking at the truth about the contents of the dossier.

    Honestly - given the crazy stuff we know he's said and done it wouldn't surprise me. I'd quote some of them here but it would be against the rules.
     
  13. Rion

    Rion “Progress, the religion of those who have none.” Supporter

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    Most of the contents are impossible to verify, Steele even admitted to that. He got enough wrong, however, for Buzzfeed to get sued for defamation/libel.

    That thing read like something 4Chan would write up.
     
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  14. KCfromNC

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    Which has nothing to do with who paid for it. For some reason it seems really hard to get a straight answer on what that was suddenly so important right as news broke that 3 people working in Trump's campaign were arrested.

    So does this : All Donald Trump's creepiest comments about his daughter Ivanka, but that doesn't stop it from being real.
     
  15. redleghunter

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    Wonder where that's at now?

    Edit the most recent I could find:

    Byron York: Did dossier trigger the Trump-Russia probe?
     
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  16. essentialsaltes

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    This narrative of Clinton-paid-for fabricated-dossier doesn't make much sense in an era of guilty pleas. They've moved on to "It's just like lying to the FBI about what you had for breakfast. No big deal."
     
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  17. redleghunter

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    A valid point. However, if the campaign sought after dossier is what Mueller is using and interrogating based on said dossier, then there is a huge problem.

    Unless of course the FBI was able to collect on the suspects based on the dossier.

    Again a problem, due to the fact a political campaign paid for opo research which colluded with Russian agents via a foreign spy retained by a law firm thru Fusion GPS.

    Then said dossier ends up in the hands of the Fed.gov

    Thus we have team Clinton and the DNC colluding with the federal government to influence the election. York lays this out in the article I linked.

    As to your point. Flynn did a plea bargain based on lying about his transition team contact with the Russian ambassador. If he was honest up front there would be no issues given said contact was not illegal. Even Leon Panetta opined that if Mueller was pushing Logan Act it would be quite a stretch.

    Recent reports have Mueller and his team threatening going after Flynns son. Flynn having to sell his house to pay legal fees and the dude is broke. So he pops a plea.

    Michael Flynn to sell his house to offset legal costs: Report

    All very interesting.
     
  18. bhsmte

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    Who paid for it, is important, because it creates motivation for those putting the dossier together, to please those flipping the bill.
     
  19. essentialsaltes

    essentialsaltes Stranger in a Strange Land

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    That's a big if, since the Trump-Russia connection had been swirling about in the air for months before the document became public or the Mueller probe was even created.

    Hahaha.
     
  20. KCfromNC

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    If what's in the dossier is accurate I don't see the issue.

    Russian agents? Where are you getting this stuff from? And in any case, it isn't illegal for newspapers to use foreigners as sources for their investigations.

    Leave GOP senator John McCain alone - he's going through enough right now.

    Plus all his lying on other matters. And then continued working with people linked to Russian intelligence even after agreeing to the deal with Mueller. Kinda hard to have much sympathy for him.
     
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