Clay

[PhillipLaSpino]

Are there any people out there that work with clay, if so, what is the difference between Potter's clay, and miry clay? I know miry means muddy. I need a more techinical explaination.

Phil

 

[PhillipLaSpino]

Potters clay is not the same as miry clay.

Potters clay: A species of earth which is firmly coherent, weighty, compact, and hard when dry; but stiff, sticky, can be drawn out when moist, and smooth to the touch, not readily diffusible in water, and when mixed, not readily subsiding in it. It can be molded into any shape; and therefore they are materials of bricks and various vessels.

Miry clay abounding with deep mud; water logged; full of mire, as, a miry road. Appears it cannot be used, molded or stretched, is water saturated, and grimy.

Dan.2:33, “His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay. Ver.41, “And whereas thou saw the feet and toes, part of potters clay, and part of iron, their kingdom shall be divided; BUT there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as you saw the iron mixed with miry clay.”

The conjunction "But" meaning that which is removed, separated from others.

It appears that Daniel is speaking of two separate entities. Iron is the Roman Empire; iron with Potter’s clay hmmm not sure! And lastly iron mixed with miry clay, which is something that cannot be formed,is in confusion and divided.

Ver.43, “And whereas you saw iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle (6151) themselves with the seed of men, BUT they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.” It sounds like the Muslim people in the past and today, nomads for the most part, they living throughout the countries of the world, yet not mixing their religion, law, dress and culture.

Mingle here is, he, or it mixed, mingled, as light and darkness. The iron mixed with miry clay shall mingle themselves with the seed of men.

Your thoughts,
Phil LaSpino

 

[tranquil]

Potter's clay = righteous. God is molding them.

Miry clay = unrighteous/ not able to be molded. These are weak people and are not part of / not associated with the Satanic 4th beast with iron teeth.

 

[PhillipLaSpino]

Tranquil, I would like to share what I found out concerning the words "miry clay." I have mentioned before that I have a library of over 500 books, many predate 1850. In this collection I have a Hebrew to English Dictionary published in 1837, it is extensive. I had examined Srongs, and Gesenius Hebrew to English and found very little, actually what I found amounts to nothing. But,

Here is what I did find,
The following is taken from my 1837 Hebrew to English Dictionary. It concerns the word clay, or miry clay found in Dan.2:41-43. The word means pollution, profaneness, corruption, adultery. In the Septuagint it means to pollute; the Vulgate, to contaminate, as with blood and adultery. Whence, to breath out, as life, to extinguish.
Phil

 

[TESCHAEFFER]

Hello,

This is a great question and topic. I have dwelled on this passage for quite sometime.

If we follow the text it begins with describing "partly of potters clay and partly of iron, their kingdom shall be divided" then proceeds to say "forasmuch as you saw the iron mixed with miry clay".

Within the action of being "mixed" the descriptive term "potters" was removed and replaced with "miry" - BUT they are both still called clay.

If we follow the terms from a potters view then potters clay is in formation and on its way to kiln and miry clay still needs refinement BEFORE becoming potters clay to be formed for kiln.

Thoughts?

Todd

 

[BillCody]

My guess is that Islam is the iron and the Roman Catholic Church is the clay. And in the future, the beast (the Islam Mahdi)
will destroy the harlot.
Revelation 17:1-6
17 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great harlot that sitteth upon many waters:

2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet colored beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet color, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.

6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.