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Featured Christmas is a pagan holiday?!

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Jesus4Ever, Jun 21, 2017.

  1. SBC

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    Every Biblical scholar should know;
    1) God created time for mankind.
    2) God created days, (mentioned over 1,000 times in Scripture) not dates, (never mentioned in Scripture).
    3) Births were acknowledged, but not the date.
    4) Remembrance of the Lord, IS Scripturally taught to do.
    5) Millions of Christians are all together remembering the Lord on the SAME DAY....
    Remembering His Birth,
    Remembering His Death,
    Remembering His Resurrection,
    And all together on the SAME Day, hearing and speaking His Word....

    If the word EASTER offends you, sorry, you do not comprehend Easter, in the English language means ~ a feast that commemorates Christ's resurrection ~ and Easter Day is the day the feast takes place, as America has mandated a lawful DATE, recognizing Christ's resurrection.

    Federal law does not mandate, that Christians or pagans MUST hold or participate in a feast to commemorate Christ's resurrection.

    However is not a shocking that most people eat everyday, nor is it shocking that Christian's world wide have a special feast day to commemorate Christ's resurrection, and call that day Easter.

    This is so cool, I'm mean hot, er, bad, but I mean good, uh sick, but I mean cool....
    The English language is fun, especially when you understand it's meaning of words.


    God Bless,
    SBC
     
  2. EastCoastRemnant

    EastCoastRemnant I Must Decrease That He May Increase Supporter

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    Speaking of Easter, if the intention of Christians is to commemorate Christ's death and resurrection, why is it on a traditionally pagan holiday and not on Passover, the day He actually died? Have you ever noticed the two are not the same?

    It looks to me (and I would suspect God as well) that we are so rebellious in our hearts, that even something done in His name is perverted and tainted with heathenism.... just like the Israelite's and the golden calf. Nothing new under the sun indeed.
     
  3. SBC

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    Christmas, is a remembrance of Jesus' birth.
    Good Friday, is a remembrance of Christ Jesus, giving His flesh and blood on the Cross.
    Easter, is a remembrance of Christ Jesus' resurrect from the dead.

    Very Odd, how one speaking of one remembrance, of Jesus' Birth, somehow "according to you", negates other dates of remembering Christ Jesus Death.

    Very Odd, you somehow think remembering Jesus Death, is idol worship. lol

    Very strange view of Christianity. What denomination do you belong to that teaches such things? Please share, so young converts be aware of what to avoid.

    God Bless,
    SBC
     
  4. EastCoastRemnant

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    And the golden calf was set up as a feast to the Lord...what's your point? Do you think God is different today than He was then?
     
  5. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Sort of.... and perhaps with great sadness.... (for the loss of souls, in any meaning of words) ....
     
  6. SBC

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    What scripture are you citing that the Israelite's were killed for making a golden calf?

    God Bless,
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  7. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Is it really actually possible you haven't read that portion !?!?
    (I thought it was fairly commonly known among Bible readers seeking Yahweh's Kingdom )
     
  8. Der Alter

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    Why are you arguing about some so-called "traditionally pagan holiday?" That is a internet rumor which has been circulating for a long time but there is zero, none credible, verifiable, historical evidence that there ever was any pagan "holy" day which was held on December 25?
    The Roman Christian historian Sextus Julius Africanus dated Jesus’ conception to March 25 (the same date upon which he held that the world was created), which, after nine months in his mother’s womb, would result in a December 25 birth.
    For the first advent of our Lord in the flesh, when he was born in Bethlehem, was December 25th, Wednesday, while Augustus was in his forty-second year, but from Adam, five thousand and five hundred years. He suffered in the thirty-third year, March 25th, Friday, the eighteenth year of Tiberius Caesar, while Rufus and Roubellion were Consuls.
    Hyppolytus of Rome, Commentary on the book of Daniel (c. A.D. 204)
     
  9. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    There is no evidence at all in Scripture that anyone is supposed to have a happy birthday day in December, or ever for that matter,
    and those who do so far have many other bad unScriptural associations also ...
    so far I haven't seen nor been made aware of any that don't... nor of any that do as Scripture says to do.
     
  10. Der Alter

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    Appendix VII On The Date Of The Nativity Of Our Lord
    This Migdal Eder was not the watchtower for the ordinary flocks which pastured on the barren sheepground beyond Bethlehem, but lay close to the town, on the road to Jerusalem. A passage in the Mishnah [b Shek. vii. 4.] leads to the conclusion, that the flocks, which pastured there, were destined for Temple-sacrifices, [2 In fact the Mishnah (Baba K. vii. 7) expressly forbids the keeping of flocks throughout the land of Israel, except in the wilderness, and the only flocks otherwise kept, would be those for the Temple-services (Baba K. 80 a).] and, accordingly, that the shepherds, who watched over them, were not ordinary shepherds. The latter were under the ban of Rabbinism, [1 This disposes of an inapt quotation (from Delitzsch) by Dr. Geikie. No one could imagine, that the Talmudic passages in question could apply to such shepherds as these.] on account of their necessary isolation from religious ordinances, and their manner of life, which rendered strict legal observance unlikely, if not absolutely impossible.
    The same Mishnaic passage also leads us to infer, that these flocks lay out all the year round, since they are spoken of as in the fields thirty days before the Passover, that is, in the month of February, when in Palestine the average rainfall is nearly greatest. [2 The mean of 22 seasons in Jerusalem amounted to 4.718 inches in December, 5.479 in January, and 5.207 in February (see a very interesting paper by Dr. Chaplin in Quart. Stat. of Pal. Explor. Fund, January, 1883). For 1876-77 we have these startling figures: mean for December, .490; for January, 1.595; for February, 8.750, and, similarly, in other years. And so we read: 'Good the year in which Tebheth (December) is without rain' (Taan. 6 b). Those who have copied Lightfoot's quotations about the flocks not lying out during the winter months ought, at least, to have known that the reference in the Talmudic passages is expressly to the flocks which pastured in 'the wilderness'.
    The Life and Times Of Jesus Christ, Alfred Edersheim.
     
  11. Der Alter

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    Logical fallacy, argument from silence. What is your point? IIRC there are only 2 birth day celebrations recorded in scripture which proves absolutely nothing about the Christian observance of the savior's birth.

    This does not make any sense to me.
     
  12. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Correct.
     
  13. EastCoastRemnant

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    Why would I care what some man wrote in 200 AD? The Bible doesn't state nor command me to make a yearly celebration of His birthday. Add to that the pagan trimmings such as decorated trees, yule logs, santa and the rest of the garbage of that time of year.
     
  14. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    It seems the garbage added over the centuries is more and more piled deeper
    and thus is more of a detriment
    than any actual attempt to celebrate Jesus' birth is -
    people seem to focus on "oh it is so nice to celebrate Jesus' birth on a pagan day"
    than to realize how much added to the celebration,
    or how much was wrong BEFORE it started even,
    that they can't see the forest for the trees.
    i.e. a lot is very very wrong, anti-Scripture, anti-Truth,
    so even if someone, anyone , wants to just worship Jesus,
    they get overwhelmed with other things not at all helpful, due to the enemy working for so long to make it so.
     
  15. Der Alter

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    Once again why are you arguing about, making accusations and spreading gossip about things you have no, zero, none credible, verifiable historical evidence for? Simple, if you don't want to observe the savior's birth don't do it. Where does the Bible state or command you to attack people who do observe the birth of the savior?

    All irrelevant! I learned to read when FDR was president, I have attended many Christmas services in 4 different countries and I have never seen yule logs, Santa etc. as part of them. Christians are not responsible for how secular society has commercialized the Christian celebrations of the savior's birth and resurrection.
     
  16. Der Alter

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    Nonsense! See my post to east coast above.
     
  17. JackRT

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    Any holiday, any celebration is what we make of it.
     
  18. Dave Watchman

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    “Do not learn the ways of the nations
    or be terrified by signs in the heavens,
    though the nations are terrified by them.

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    "For the practices of the peoples are worthless;
    they cut a tree out of the forest,

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    and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel.

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    "They adorn it with silver and gold;
    they fasten it with hammer and nails
    so it will not totter.

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    "Like a scarecrow in a cucumber field,
    their idols cannot speak;
    they must be carried
    because they cannot walk.
    Do not fear them;
    they can do no harm
    nor can they do any good.”

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    They are all senseless and foolish;
    they are taught by worthless wooden idols.

    Hammered silver is brought from Tarshish
    and gold from Uphaz.

    What the craftsman and goldsmith have made
    is then dressed in blue and purple—
    all made by skilled workers.

    But the Lord is the true God;
    he is the living God, the eternal King.
    When he is angry, the earth trembles;
    the nations cannot endure his wrath.

    “Tell them this: ‘These gods, who did not make the heavens and the earth, will perish from the earth and from under the heavens.’ ”

    "When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood, and the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale. The sky vanished like a scroll that is being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.​

    There is an alternative Pentecost count that seems to have some sort of application to the Revelation 12 sign dates. A thread for it was deleted on the eschatology section of this forum, but they are discussing it at another place.

    It amounts to these numbers, 33+66, a time of a woman's purification after the birth of a child.

    "And she shall then continue in the blood of her purifying three and thirty days; she shall touch no hallowed thing, nor come into the sanctuary, until the days of her purifying be fulfilled". Lev12:4

    "But if she births a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation, and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying threescore and six days". Lev 12:5​

    The fig tree sheds its winter fruit.

    Let Earth receive her King.

    Peaceful Sabbath.


     
  19. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Like you said, nonsense, why should anyone read nonsense ? (so no, I don't read your posts)
     
  20. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Idolatry has been very prevalent in society for many generations.
    So much so, little children are taught from birth that it is okay.
    It is rare for one of them to learn otherwise, by Yahweh's Grace.
    It is hard for them to repent also, since their family all their lives actively practice.
     
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