Christmas and Easter Myths and Answers

[The Liturgist]

As sorry as the visible church is today, a majority do not even believe a large part of the Bible. They accept science over the Bible in areas of creation and many have concocted their own salvation plan, accepting gay preachers/priest among other problems.
And you expect this church to decide on celebrations, that would be about right and really fits well with the contemporary church.

I am sure it was the 12 Apostles/Disciples who were given charge. They were the ones who were able to heal, etc...

Disciples outside of he 12 did not have that ability

Believing the Earth to be spherical, which is not incompatible with Scriptural doctrine, or other scientific principles which Christianity is the only religion not to contradict, is not akin to condoning homosexual clergy or gay marriage. The former is intelligent exegesis, whereas the latter is blasphemy against the Holy Sacraments.

 

[d taylor]

Believing the Earth to be spherical, which is not incompatible with Scriptural doctrine, or other scientific principles which Christianity is the only religion not to contradict, is not akin to condoning homosexual clergy or gay marriage. The former is intelligent exegesis, whereas the latter is blasphemy against the Holy Sacraments.

Just take a look at the spies That were sent to the promise land. They did not believe God's word/promise and not only did they not believe it they also gave a false report about the land, so see how they ended up.

So taking the Bible and not believing God's given word about His creation and not only not believing it. But not believing it because of science. When in many areas of the Bible it is plainly stated in direct contrast to what science states. So many who are christian (or at least identify as such) are taking science over the word of God concerning God's creation.

 

[The Liturgist]

Just take a look at the spies That were sent to the promise land. They did not believe God's word/promise and not only did they not believe it they also gave a false report about the land, so see how they ended up.

So taking the Bible and not believing God's given word about His creation and not only not believing it. But not believing it because of science. When in many areas of the Bible it is plainly stated in direct contrast to what science states. So many who are christian (or at least identify as such) are taking science over the word of God concerning God's creation.

I recently compiled a blog post using the Christian Forums blogging system addressing this issue, to spare having to type repeatedly the same answers. I hope you read it: The Startling Accuracy Of Genesis

 

[The Liturgist]

Just take a look at the spies That were sent to the promise land. They did not believe God's word/promise and not only did they not believe it they also gave a false report about the land, so see how they ended up.

So taking the Bible and not believing God's given word about His creation and not only not believing it. But not believing it because of science. When in many areas of the Bible it is plainly stated in direct contrast to what science states. So many who are christian (or at least identify as such) are taking science over the word of God concerning God's creation.

Also, Scripture does not contradict the idea of a spherical Earth, and throughout history, all Christian historical figures we are aware of prior to the 19th century believed the world was round.

If you discover your interpretation of the Bible is contradicted by observations, that means your interpretation is in error, not the Bible and not Science.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Well we have very different views about this, i really see no place to meet in the middle.

You mean you disagree with Sacred Scripture?

 

[Root of Jesse]

Please tell how [doing any] below Glorifies Christ?

Whether therefore ye eat [being glutton]
glutton | YouVersion Search | The Bible App

or drink [a drunkard]
drunkard | YouVersion Search | The Bible App

" I got drunk good, Lord here's to your glory?

or whatsoever ye do [like abominations]
abomination | YouVersion Search | The Bible App

"I am a thief, to your glory?
a thief | YouVersion Search | The Bible App

Those verses does not say you can do anything, and God
would be proud of you, just give him credit or glory.
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For I have given you an example,
that ye should do as I have done to you.
John 13:15 (KJV), Luke 4:16, Acts 17:2

Nobody is saying you have to celebrate by eating too much or drinking too much. We can still celebrate with a meal and a glass of wine, right?

 

[Root of Jesse]

Refuting something does not make it the truth.

But it is true that Jesus was born, died and rose from the dead. Shouldn't we celebrate his birth and his sacrifice for us?

 

[Root of Jesse]

As sorry as the visible church is today, a majority do not even believe a large part of the Bible. They accept science over the Bible in areas of creation and many have concocted their own salvation plan, accepting gay preachers/priest among other problems.
And you expect this church to decide on celebrations, that would be about right and really fits well with the contemporary church.

I am sure it was the 12 Apostles/Disciples who were given charge. They were the ones who were able to heal, etc...

Disciples outside of he 12 did not have that ability

That humanity is in a sorry state has been true since Adam and Eve. And when you say a majority don't believe the Bible, I have to agree, but that doesn't mean the faith is not true. John 6, Matthew 16:18-20, and the 7 books removed, come to mind, regarding the majority not believing the Bible...And in a Church with a celibate priesthood, any form of sexual expression is an abomination. And you're agreeing with me about Christ giving his apostles their authority, which includes their charge to appoint successors, which is what Catholicism is built on.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Also, Scripture does not contradict the idea of a spherical Earth, and throughout history, all Christian historical figures we are aware of prior to the 19th century believed the world was round.

If you discover your interpretation of the Bible is contradicted by observations, that means your interpretation is in error, not the Bible and not Science.

Exactly. @The Liturgist, are you familiar with a documentary called "Is Genesis History?" The visit sites around the world and show how the interpretation of the sedimentary composition can be interpreted correctly or incorrectly. Very fascinating.

 

[d taylor]

I recently compiled a blog post using the Christian Forums blogging system addressing this issue, to spare having to type repeatedly the same answers. I hope you read it: The Startling Accuracy Of Genesis

You are too far into science to see what God is saying through the Bibles. There really is no point to discuss this any further. I am not going to try to change your view and you certainly will not change mine.

 

[Semper-Fi]

But it is true that Jesus was born, died and rose from the dead.
Shouldn't we celebrate his birth and his sacrifice for us?

The bible tells us to keep " The Lords Passover,
and the Days of unleavened bread. The bible also
warns about keeping traditions of men, which Easter
and Christmas are. Should we not follow Christ?

 

[Semper-Fi]

Nobody is saying you have to celebrate by eating too much or drinking too much. We can still celebrate with a meal and a glass of wine, right?

The poster I replied to said
"anything done unto the Lord glorifies him."

The verses he posted did not say this, as I pointed out.
You can not do anything you want, and expect God to be happy.

 

[GreekOrthodox]

The bible tells us to keep " The Lords Passover,
and the Days of unleavened bread. The bible also
warns about keeping traditions of men, which Easter
and Christmas are. Should we not follow Christ?

I celebrate Pascha and Christogena. You dont celebrate the Resurrection of our Lord and God?

“if Christ is risen, nothing else matters. And if Christ is not risen—nothing else matters.” - Dr. Jaroslav Pelikan

 

[Semper-Fi]

I celebrate Pascha and Christogena. You dont celebrate
the Resurrection of our Lord and God?

The Lords Passover is on the 14th of the first month,
on Gods calendar. Christ told us to remember his death,
and to keep the feast of unleavened bread in the N.T..

Jesus did, and the Apostles keep Gods Holydays after his death.

It is mans tradition to celebrate his birth and resurrection,
on a man made calendar of heathen origins, while also
forgetting what the bible tells us to do on this subject.

The Hebrew word pasach referred to the Passover, now changed
to something in other languages then what the bible says.
I have no idea what Christogena entails, or is for.

 

[The Liturgist]

You are too far into science to see what God is saying through the Bibles. There really is no point to discuss this any further. I am not going to try to change your view and you certainly will not change mine.

Well the thing is I have had the pleasure of high altitude flight in my younger days on a certain famous aircraft noted for its unusually high service ceiling, and have seen the curvature of the Earth, and I did also once go on an adventure cruise to Antarctica, and I have a collection of old airline timetables from a few decades back when services from South Africa to Argentina and Argentina and Chile were still available, and from South Africa and East Africa to Perth. So its not so much science as a case of the obvious.

 

[Root of Jesse]

You are too far into science to see what God is saying through the Bibles. There really is no point to discuss this any further. I am not going to try to change your view and you certainly will not change mine.

Faith and science are not opposed. Without one, the other makes no sense.

 

[prodromos]

The bible tells us to keep " The Lords Passover,
and the Days of unleavened bread. The bible also
warns about keeping traditions of men, which Easter
and Christmas are. Should we not follow Christ?

We follow those who Christ vested with the authority to bind and loose.

 

[prodromos]

You are too far into science to see what God is saying through the Bibles. There really is no point to discuss this any further. I am not going to try to change your view and you certainly will not change mine.

You are absolutely right that you will not change our minds. You are unable to produce any model of a flat earth that corresponds to what we can actually observe, such as the flight times between the southern continents. What you insist we must believe in is a physical impossibility.

 

[Root of Jesse]

The bible tells us to keep " The Lords Passover,
and the Days of unleavened bread. The bible also
warns about keeping traditions of men, which Easter
and Christmas are. Should we not follow Christ?

Celebrating the birth and death of our Lord are not traditions of men. The dates, possibly. But even those are not totally traditional.

 

[Root of Jesse]

The poster I replied to said
"anything done unto the Lord glorifies him."

The verses he posted did not say this, as I pointed out.
You can not do anything you want, and expect God to be happy.

I don't believe you are doing anything unto the Lord if you're getting drunk or stuffing food in your face, personally.
I agree with you, you can't do anything you want and say it's in the name of God, and expect God to be happy. But what I'm saying is that honoring our Lord's entrance into humanity and his sacrifice are good things, when done properly.
I have been to public gatherings, such as luaus, where the emcee will announce that there's a wedding party, and when you glance over, the bride, groom, and the party are all drunk. Celebrating a wedding should be a happy occasion, not one for drunken revelry. There are proper and improper ways to honor.