Christians subdue the earth or GO GREEN and save it ?

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Seems the GREEN MOVEMENT is a little out of hand.
We hear the crys, "we had better save mother earth.
Christians know that, earth is not our mother.

God said to, "go out and subdue the earth."

People worry so much these days regarding, man destroying the earth.
Let's go GREEN and Save the earth.

News -- One will destroy this earth someday -- God -- as stated in the scriptures.

M-Bob

 

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Seems the GREEN MOVEMENT is a little out of hand.
We hear the crys, "we had better save mother earth.
Christians know that, earth is not our mother.

God said to, "go out and subdue the earth."

People worry so much these days regarding, man destroying the earth.
Let's go GREEN and Save the earth.

We're called to be the stewards of Creation, and we're not doing a very good job of it. Genesis 1:26-28 is not a pass to do whatever we want with the resources that God provided on this planet.

News -- One will destroy this earth someday -- God -- as stated in the scriptures.

That's actually not watch scripture says, God will not destroy the Earth, the Earth will be restored and joined with Heaven. Scripture talks a lot about creation crying out and groaning to be restored and made right, and that it will all be sorted out. The poetry in the Old Testament talks about the wolf and the lamb lying next to each other, and the thorns and thistle in the garden being replaced by beautiful flowers. Then in the Revelation, the Holy City comes down to Earth so that God may dwell forever with His Creation. That's the story and theme of scripture from Genesis 1 (technically 4, since the fall happens in 3) to Revelation 22, God's plan is to redeem humanity and restore the world, and then inviting humans to be apart of that plan.
 
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Seems the GREEN MOVEMENT is a little out of hand.
We hear the crys, "we had better save mother earth.
Christians know that, earth is not our mother.

God said to, "go out and subdue the earth."

People worry so much these days regarding, man destroying the earth.
Let's go GREEN and Save the earth.

News -- One will destroy this earth someday -- God -- as stated in the scriptures.

M-Bob


..I'm pretty sure God doesn't want us to ruin the Earth though. God made the Earth, so we should treat it kindly.
 
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The "green movement" is a religion to itself. It puts humanity at the center and is also a very lucrative business for the leaders. There is lots of money to be made by "preaching green". I would greatly discount the wealthy "green leaders" who fly in private jets, drive gas guzzling cars and live in huge energy inefficient homes. We do have a responsibility to take care of God's earth since it is His creation. I think we are very good stewards. Please dont get caught up in the green movement.
 
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Isaiah 24

The Lord is going to completely destroy everything on earth.

The earth will dry up completely.

The world will dry up and waste away.

The heavens will fade away with the earth.

M-Bob
 
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We're called to be the stewards of Creation, and we're not doing a very good job of it. Genesis 1:26-28 is not a pass to do whatever we want with the resources that God provided on this planet.



That's actually not watch scripture says, God will not destroy the Earth, the Earth will be restored and joined with Heaven. Scripture talks a lot about creation crying out and groaning to be restored and made right, and that it will all be sorted out. The poetry in the Old Testament talks about the wolf and the lamb lying next to each other, and the thorns and thistle in the garden being replaced by beautiful flowers. Then in the Revelation, the Holy City comes down to Earth so that God may dwell forever with His Creation. That's the story and theme of scripture from Genesis 1 (technically 4, since the fall happens in 3) to Revelation 22, God's plan is to redeem humanity and restore the world, and then inviting humans to be apart of that plan.

But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a loud noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up.
Since all the things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of persons ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness, waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be kindled and dissolved, and the elements will melt with fire! But according to his promise we wait for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
 
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In about 6 billion years the "nuclear fires" of the sun will have been used up. It will begin to expand into a red giant and engulf the inner planets. That will be the end of this planet. Perhaps by then humanity might have a new home.
 
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What is it truthfully something like in the last 40 years earth has gotten 1 degree hotter ?

Most of the co2 released comes from the ocean.
Cause -- sun spots.
M-Bob

CO2 comes from a number of natural sources. This is very well understood science. So are the natural heating and cooling cycle of our planet. After all it is the climate scientists themselves who have found and researched these cycles and sources. But anthropogenic CO2 is piggybacking on top of all that and is pushing us closer to the tipping point of runaway global warming
 
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I was just reading where six thousand years ago it was only one degree hotter than it is today.

And I didn't even realize that they had thermometers back then.

M-Bob
 
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Is there anything God wants us to prepare before he returns? Not including our hearts and souls. Is there any instruction about the world ? He gave us rule over it while he has gone, was there anything specific ?
 
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I think we are very good stewards. Please dont get caught up in the green movement.

Who is being "man-centered" here? Isn't this estimation of human beings unbiblical?

I don't think human beings are very good stewards of the environment. Particularly those in North America or Asia. I watched a documentary about the climate a few months ago, it had Harrison Ford talking about palm oil production in Indonesia. Greed and corruption allow massive amounts of forest to be burned. The rainforests are the lungs of the planet and giant carbon sinks.

In my denomination, environmental consciousness is part of the Christian vocation, without question.
 
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In my denomination, environmental consciousness is part of the Christian vocation, without question.

It's hardly never discussed in our church. Every sermon is (only) straight from the Bible. Christians know to be kind to the environment but, not overwhelmed with it. Everything is going exactly to God's plan.
M-Bob
 
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It's hardly never discussed in our church. Every sermon is (only) straight from the Bible. Christians know to be kind to the environment but, not overwhelmed with it. Everything is going exactly to God's plan.
M-Bob

It's not something usually preached on in sermons at my church either, however sometimes it is part of the prayers of the people.

God's plans don't negate human responsibilities.
 
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It depends on whether you are anthropocentric, biocentric or theocentric.

If you are anthropocentric, then taking care of the earth is all about us. We need to take better care of the earth, or we won't be able to live on it much longer. God did create the universe, but he did so for humans to have dominion over it for our benefit. Because we are intrinsically connected with the rest of the natural order, we need to be concerned about the environment. In practice, relying on human beings to regulate our approach to anything, including caring for the earth, results in exploitation, sin and greed. It tends to lean to the "right" of humans to exploit the earth and the resources that God created.

If you are biocentric, then it is all about the earth. "Mother" earth, as someone said. These are the radical people trying to raise environmental "consciousness" or the earth will die. The New Age movement, and religions such as Hinduism, Buddhism and native North American spiritualities espouse this viewpoint. It perverts the message of Scripture and downplays humanity's special place in the plan of creation as divine image bearers. However, it does emphasis the original blessing of creation.

Then, there is the theocentric approach to the earth and environmentalism. God not only created the earth, but he is at the centre of all creation. All of God's creatures, including humans have value only within God's created community. God is creator, and is continuously and dynamically involved in caring for all creation, as Jesus teaches concerning God's care for the birds of the air and the lilies of the field.

"Psalm 24:1 “The earth is the Lord’s and the fullness thereof, the world and those who dwell therein.”


Paul, in one of the most interesting New Testament scriptures, Romans 8:18-23, notes that it is not only we who groan, awaiting the final resurrection and redemption, but the “whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now.” (Vs. 22) We are waiting for the new creation, but also the entire world awaits the future restoration of the earth in which Eden like conditions of the earth once again flourish. (See Rev. 22:1-5, re: Gen. 2:9-10)

However, this again brings up the eschatological error in which sees the earth as just a temporary home, with us simply passing through, which will be replaced when Jesus returns. Restoration implies that the world, like us, will be transformed rather than completely annihilated and remade.


Many dispenationalists will argue that 2 Peter 3:10 points to the eschatology that the earth is going to be burned up, so why care for something that God has no use for, and is planning on re-creating? Bouma–Prediger, in his book, "For the Beauty of the Earth: A Christian Vision for Creation," points out that:

"This is perhaps the most egregious mistranslation in the entire New Testament. In fact, the Greek word heureskin states that after a refiner’s fire of purification in verse 7, the earth will be discovered, not destroyed! Creation is not ephemeral and unimportant – some second rate way station until the eschaton – but rather it is our proper home, and 2 Peter 3 speaks of a basic continuity, rather than a discontinuity of this world rather than the next."


God created the world, God loves the world, and God will never leave the world behind.
 
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Speaking again to this poor view of eschatology as it relates to God, the New Testament and soteriology,

" A cosmic understanding views both humanity and nature as being overpowered by the forces or decay and death, and in need of divine healing. This does not remove the idea of human sin from soteriological discussion: instead it moves it into the forefront, for it is sin that fractures relations and leads to the dying planet. Salvation can no longer be limited to humanity. Because humans are bound together with the rest of creation, what happens to one happens to the other. Nature was implicated in the Fall, so it will be included in the restoration."

Richard Young "Healing the Earth: A theological Perspective on Environmental Problems and Their Solutions."


I did a paper on this topic in seminary, and it is a passion I have. Here are some more things I wrote:


When Christ returns, he will “restore everything.” God’s objective for the incarnation was to restore all relationships in creation, not simply to save humanity from damnation. When relationships are restored, and new creation will emerge, one that reflects the wholeness, balance and harmony it once enjoyed. Just as Christ was the active agent in the original creations John 1:1-3, so is He the active agent in the new creation.


A theocentric approach to creation care is that Christ is in the process of transforming the world through the power of the Holy Spirit. The Spirit expects righteousness of Christians who walk in this present age. This righteousness is summarized as love of one’s neighbour. But one cannot love one’s neighbour without taking care of creation. Pollution can injure and literally kill one’s neighbour. People destroy the earth and do “wrong to a neighbour” because they covet more than the Creator has allotted to them. This greed, says Paul in Col. 3:5, is idolatry. Greed is an attitude of worship that dethrones the creator, and elevates the creature to the Creator’s place. The ironical point is that when people reject God and the Biblical norms for living, they end up worshiping AND defiling the world they idolize. But even if the earth is going to be totally destroyed, as some theologians would claim, we are still under obligation as Christians to care for the earth, as God has given us the job of stewardship, and laid out the need for a Sabbath rest not just for people, but for the earth. Lev. 25:8-10, “God rails against those who violate this legislation by buying up all the land and creating homelessness. The result of such injustice will be a radical loss of the land’s fertile productivity.” (Isa. 5:8-10) Hosea 4:1-3 shows that disobedience to the laws of God results in the land being made unproductive.

The consequences of breaking God’s laws are not just spiritual, but the land and the seas are made impossible to live on. Deut. 11:11-17 documents God’s promises to his people when they cross the Jordan. Again, the consequences of worshiping false gods are that “the heavens will be shut up so that it will not rain, and the ground will yield no produce, and you will soon perish from the good land the Lord is giving you.” (v. 17) God also promises his people if they keep his commands, there will be redemption and restoration, in passages such as Ezek. 47:9-12 and Jer. 33:11. Isa. 24:4-6 is profound in its condemnation of the result of sin on the earth.

"The earth mourns and withers; the world languishes and withers;

The heavens languish together with the earth

The earth lies polluted under its inhabitants; for they have transgressed the laws,

Violated the statutes, broken the everlasting covenant.

Therefore a curse devours the earth, and its inhabitants suffer for their guilt."


Clearly, the Bible laments the deterioration of the environment. Contrasted with the wondrous pictures of creation’s intended harmony and wholeness given in scriptures, environmental ruin is a direct offense against God the creator. The cause of a degraded environment is sin. Alienation from God’s purposes and love quite literally causes the land to mourn, and the whole creation to be in travail
 
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The world is simply not seeing Jesus Christ and the restoration of the earth as part of the message of salvation. The incarnation of Christ, it must be stressed, is the good news that God came to earth and lived as a man. Christ is not separate from the world, from our culture. He took on an earthly body, becoming part of the created order while remaining as one of the Trinity – the creator. He is one of us The resurrected Christ had a real body. To over spiritualize or individualize salvation prevents an opportunity to share the gospel. Christ does not demand that our wants be gratified regardless of the cost and the suffering. When Christians stop being arrogant about their rights and privileges and model gentleness and meekness in our lifestyles, I believe that non-Christians will be drawn to the Kingdom of God and His righteousness.
 
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It depends on whether you are anthropocentric, biocentric or theocentric.

If you are anthropocentric, then taking care of the earth is all about us. We need to take better care of the earth, or we won't be able to live on it much longer. God did create the universe, but he did so for humans to have dominion over it for our benefit. Because we are intrinsically connected with the rest of the natural order, we need to be concerned about the environment. In practice, relying on human beings to regulate our approach to anything, including caring for the earth, results in exploitation, sin and greed. It tends to lean to the "right" of humans to exploit the earth and the resources that God created.

If you are biocentric, then it is all about the earth. "Mother" earth, as someone said. These are the radical people trying to raise environmental "consciousness" or the earth will die. The New Age movement, and religions such as Hinduism, Buddhism and native North American spiritualities espouse this viewpoint. It perverts the message of Scripture and downplays humanity's special place in the plan of creation as divine image bearers. However, it does emphasis the original blessing of creation.

Then, there is the theocentric approach to the earth and environmentalism. God not only created the earth, but he is at the centre of all creation. All of God's creatures, including humans have value only within God's created community. God is creator, and is continuously and dynamically involved in caring for all creation, as Jesus teaches concerning God's care for the birds of the air and the lilies of the field.

"Psalm 24:1 “The earth is the Lord’s and the fullness thereof, the world and those who dwell therein.”


Paul, in one of the most interesting New Testament scriptures, Romans 8:18-23, notes that it is not only we who groan, awaiting the final resurrection and redemption, but the “whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now.” (Vs. 22) We are waiting for the new creation, but also the entire world awaits the future restoration of the earth in which Eden like conditions of the earth once again flourish. (See Rev. 22:1-5, re: Gen. 2:9-10)

However, this again brings up the eschatological error in which sees the earth as just a temporary home, with us simply passing through, which will be replaced when Jesus returns. Restoration implies that the world, like us, will be transformed rather than completely annihilated and remade.


Many dispenationalists will argue that 2 Peter 3:10 points to the eschatology that the earth is going to be burned up, so why care for something that God has no use for, and is planning on re-creating? Bouma–Prediger, in his book, "For the Beauty of the Earth: A Christian Vision for Creation," points out that:

"This is perhaps the most egregious mistranslation in the entire New Testament. In fact, the Greek word heureskin states that after a refiner’s fire of purification in verse 7, the earth will be discovered, not destroyed! Creation is not ephemeral and unimportant – some second rate way station until the eschaton – but rather it is our proper home, and 2 Peter 3 speaks of a basic continuity, rather than a discontinuity of this world rather than the next."


God created the world, God loves the world, and God will never leave the world behind.

Very Informative.
Thank you for breaking it down.
M-Bob
 
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Even if God's earth could be considered as a temporary dwelling for us, does that give us the right to utterly trash it, even after God tasked us with being good stewards for his creation while we are here? Do you routinely trash homes and apartments you rent simply because you will only be there temporarily and it doesn't belong to you anyway?
 
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