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Christianity and gayness

Discussion in 'Theologia Crucis - Lutherans' started by ImperfectGirl, Apr 22, 2012.

  1. ImperfectGirl

    ImperfectGirl Welcoming new members.. &

    I was just wondering. Is it against christianity to be Gay or Lesbian?
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  2. timf

    timf Regular Member

    In Romans chapter one there is a punishment given to some people because "they worship the creature more than the creator". This punishment is a reprobate mind. One of the manifestations of this reprobate mind is homosexuality. One can understand how these people come to believe that they are made this way rather than chose to be this way.

    However, not all of what can be called homosexuality may be accounted for by this alone. You can have some people that are attracted to forbidden, some who carry significant scars and wounds who seek whatever comfort or shelter they can find. You also can have people who can be driven by the influences of environmental toxins.

    It may be easier to think of homosexuality the same way that you would think of alcoholism. It never benefits anyone, It leads people to be consumed with their lusts, and it destroys individuals, families, and eventually society.

    Christians should not encourage, endorse, or support homosexuality in any way.
  3. tranz4md

    tranz4md Redeemed by His grace

    You know who Kirk Cameron is right? Well he made some statements in an interview on CNN about homosexuality that are exactly what the word of God says about it and he's being accused of hate speech.

    Here's an article I wrote on his behalf about this...

    Kirk Cameron under fire for Christian beliefs about homosexuality part 1 - Orlando Christian Living | Examiner.com

    Kirk Cameron under fire for Christian beliefs about homosexuality part 2 - Orlando Christian Living | Examiner.com

    God has much to say in His word about this subject of homosexuality

    God bless and may this article bless your life!

    In Christ
  4. suzybeezy

    suzybeezy Reports Manager


    This thread has been moved from Christian Advice to avoid violating the rule:

    ● Do not promote homosexuality on Christian Forums. Homosexuality can only be discussed, without promotion, in Christian Communities and Faith Groups. Homosexuality may also be discussed in the Recovery and Ask a Chaplain forums solely for the purpose of seeking support with struggles overcoming same-sex attractions, and homosexual issues.

    Please be aware that this is now in the Lutheran forum, and therefore non-Lutheran members may not debate here.

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  5. DaRev

    DaRev Well-Known Member

    Yes. It is against the word of God, thus it is against Christianity.
  6. Aibrean

    Aibrean Honest. Maybe too Honest.

  7. Melanchthon

    Melanchthon Newbie

    Well, our fellow Lutherans in the Church of Sweden consecrated a lesbian as a bishop in November 2009.

  8. Aibrean

    Aibrean Honest. Maybe too Honest.

    Which doesn't at all mean it's okay.

    Personally I consider this type of action a shortcut to hell. Blatant disregard for the scriptures and the sacrifice of Christ.
  9. alexnbethmom

    alexnbethmom Lutheran Chick

    what she said....:clap: :amen: :preach:
  10. Michaelrh1325

    Michaelrh1325 Christian

  11. ivanthegood

    ivanthegood Guest


    what they said :clap::amen::thumbsup: it was what the book of Jude warned the followers of Jesus would happen in the last days

    3 Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to God’s holy people. 4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about[b] long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

    5 Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord[c] at one time delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. 7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.
    8 In the very same way, on the strength of their dreams these ungodly people pollute their own bodies, reject authority and heap abuse on celestial beings. 9 But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”[d] 10 Yet these people slander whatever they do not understand, and the very things they do understand by instinct—as irrational animals do—will destroy them.
    11 Woe to them! They have taken the way of Cain; they have rushed for profit into Balaam’s error; they have been destroyed in Korah’s rebellion.
    12 These people are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm—shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted—twice dead. 13 They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.
    14 Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones 15 to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”[e] 16 These people are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage.
    17 But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. 18 They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19 These are the people who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.

    20 But you, dear friends, by building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, 21 keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life. 22 Be merciful to those who doubt; 23 save others by snatching them from the fire; to others show mercy, mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.
  12. Rhamiel

    Rhamiel Member of the Round Table

    please correct me if I say anything agianst Lutheran teaching, it is not my goal to confuse the girl about what her church teaches but rather to comfort a sister in Christ

    we all have differant temptations, some people are tempted by members of the opposite sex, some people feel tempted by members of the same sex
    what matters is that we resiste all temptation and live a life for Christ
    He wants us to live a life for Him and to avoid sin
    sin can never bring happiness, because true joy comes from being with Christ
  13. Aibrean

    Aibrean Honest. Maybe too Honest.

    The difference being that the Catholic church doesn't condone child molestation.
  14. Ukrainia

    Ukrainia Guest

    Yes, homosexuality is a sin. But I hope we can be a bit more nuanced in our treatment of people who legitimately struggle with this sin. I generally don't like the stance of so many Christians who treat homosexuals as somehow a worse sin than others. I don't think there is any evidence to suggest that's the case. Many of these people are stuggling and are looking for comfort. If these people are Christians, or are seekers, I am not so sure we always have to hit them hard with the law first - yes the law is needed, but lets not use it as a battering ram. Let's use it as a guide to point them to the Savior. We all know what it's like to deal with sin, and we've all had struggles with particular sins. At those particular times, advice that suggests we should just rid it from our lives, as we're under threat of punishment from God probably seems unhelpful and unloving. But advice that suggest the depths of Jesus love is so great, and his sacrifice so perfect, that now our sins have been wiped away, is going to be of much greater help in that circumstance, in my opinion.
  15. Aibrean

    Aibrean Honest. Maybe too Honest.

    I think many treat it as a worse sin because the amount of people who want to acknowledge it as a sin is becoming fewer and fewer. Even less when it's a homosexual themselves admitting it's wrong.
  16. Basil the Great

    Basil the Great Guest

    There is no doubt but what there is a significant trend among nations and U.S. states to allow civil gay marriage and a similar move is also spreading to some of the MainLine Protestant denominations. Eventually some of the younger people on this board may see gay marriage legal in most of Europe and North and South America, as well as in quite a few Protestant denominations. However, all of this would have no bearing on whether or not gay marriage is right or wrong. Only God makes that decision and both the Bible and 3,000+ years of Judeo-Christian tradition seems pretty clear on the subject.
  17. MarkRohfrietsch

    MarkRohfrietsch Unapologetic Apologist Supporter

    I think that we need to be mindful that Government and Politicians interest is not theological, rather, their intent is to maintain peace and harmony in society. Government has proven over and over again that they have no interest in peace and harmony in Church.

    IMO, where the problem lies is that many in the Church look to the laws and policies of Government to "legitimize" theology and practice which is contrary to Scripture.

    Our Governments of late have no ear for the Church; why do so many Churches look to the Government for moral, ethical Theology?:confused::doh:

    The Church of Sweden, like the Church of England are, for all intents and purposes, an extension of the Government.

    In Sweden, there are still many Christians who hold to a traditional orthodox interpretation of Scripture, and were led out of the Church of Sweden by three Bishops and formed an independent Synod; this Wikipedia article sums it up (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missionsprovinsen):

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  18. Theofane

    Theofane Guest

    Some denominations are more accepting of gays & lesbians than others.
  19. Kalevalatar

    Kalevalatar Supisuomalainen sisupussi

    I don't know what the Swedish Missionsprovinsen is up to, but here in Finland, those people take their inspiration from the likes of L. Ron Hubbard and the American-style mega-bucks mega-churches, not from Martin Luther. They are in it for $$$,$$$,$$$, way too busy trying to attract wealthy homosexuals in the name of some extraterrestrial "healing" with nothing to do with our Lord Jesus Christ. That cult is not about ensuring that God's Word is rightly preached and the Sacraments rightly administered.
  20. synger

    synger Confessional Liturgical Lutheran Supporter

    You have a point. I think homosexuality is seen as a "worse sin" because there is a huge divide between those who think it is sin and those who do not. We all pretty much agree that killing and stealing and lying are sins (if we acknowledge such a thing as sin at all), so while they are still "big sins" they are not sins we discuss or debate about. They're not mentioned much.

    But because people discuss whether homosexual activity is sinful or not, those who do not believe it is a sin think those who do are emphasizing it over other sins.

    It's not a bigger sin. It's just a more currently-discussed one. We don't have big discussions about whether adultery or lying or even gluttony and pride are sinful. Those are "given".