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Christian Zionism - a modern-day heresy?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by LiturgyInDMinor, Dec 16, 2009.

Christian Zionism = A modern heresy?

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  1. random person

    random person 1 COR. 10:11; HEB. 1:2; HEB. 9:26,28; 1 PET. 1:20

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    I repeat again, the Land promises were but a type and a shadow for the Kingdom of Heaven. The True And Eternal Inheritance In Heaven.

    By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: for he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
    Hebrews 11:8-10


    Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable. These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
    Hebrews 11:12-16

    And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: God having provided some better thing for us [NEW COVENANT SAINTS, THE TRUE CIRCUMCISION, THE TRUE CHILDREN OF ABRAHAM - mine emphasis], that they without us should not be made perfect.
    Hebrews 11:39-40
     
  2. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git! Supporter

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    The Palistinians having nothing to do with the Holocaust is a good point........

    http://uprootedpalestinians.blogspot.com/2011/03/khalid-bin-al-khalifa-and-his-chabad.html

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  3. Alive_Again

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    Israel after the flesh is spoken of in scripture. They have not been cast off. They were, as in former times, led (permitted) into bondage because of their deeds. God never forgot about them. At the appropriate time, they were called back. They are referred to in the New Testament as "Israel", and Paul would have traded in his own salvation for the nation of "Israel".

    Who's gonna build the third temple? Who's going to have their blindness (for your sake) removed? Israel! We're not to boast about ourselves being over them. They still have to receive the Lord to be saved, but the promises to the seed of Abraham still apply. His heart is after them and a great blessing is for those who pray for the city of Jerusalem. It was a great sign for the His chosen people (not because of their greatness) to return from bondage and from where they were scattered from. It was a GREAT SIGN this time after nearly 2,000 years to bring them back from where those descendants were scattered. How can you not see this? It's a powerful delusion all right to miss this.

    Replacement theology is not accurate. It is not because of the godliness of the people, but because of His promises. The land promises are not temporary. What does it say? They are not finished getting the land! Greater signs are coming as well!

    Look at how God delivered Israel in the two wars. The very day after their coming back into being, everyone declared war on them and by miracles attested by even the Jews, they prevailed. It's not a "false sign" to behold the works of God. All of the nations on the earth have born witness (though some are blind) to God standing up for His chosen people. Watch what happens not too far down the road. Israel says they "Know what to do" if those missiles were brought in to Syria. Russia brought them in anyway, sneaking fighter planes underneath the transports. Listen to Bibi's statement to the UN yesterday. They're not going to wait around and let their enemies gather. The same goes for Iran. Do you know Iran suffered an earthquake that set back their nuclear ambitions previously. Guess where that came from?

    Although danger is on every side and they surely need prayer, it's all good for them (from the bigger picture) and like many believers, I wait to see the salvation of God for the Nation of Israel.
     
  4. random person

    random person 1 COR. 10:11; HEB. 1:2; HEB. 9:26,28; 1 PET. 1:20

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    Why is there a third Temple? The Temple served the requirements of the Mosaic Covenant afterall.

    Why are the Jews still God's exclusive chosen people?

    What are land promises without circumcision and the Law?

    Where in the scriptures does it say God will regather the Jews in disbelief?
     
  5. DamianWarS

    DamianWarS Follower of Isa Al Masih Supporter

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    If we want to "usher in the end times" then we should be going to the ends of the earth until every nation and tribe has heard His name.
     
  6. Berean777

    Berean777 Servant of Christ Jesus. Stellar Son.

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    The way I look at the sons of Jacob is figuratively according to the parable of the prodigal son who took his inheritance and went off to a far country and plundered it all. The youngest son is also figurative for a son who is not very matured in faith and so is little in faith and so he no longer relies on the faith of his Father (God), who sowed the seed of promise Jesus Christ and therefore went about doing his own thing in the diaspora of the world, thinking that he can make it on his own without the Father (God) of his fathers (Jacobs sons of the old covenant).

    The youngest son then finds a drought where he can not sustain his identity and his worth and if he continues to stay the way he is, with the unclean things of the world, which symbolises the pig pen of the world. Then when he realises that he needs to go back to his Father (God), he has to come back completely broken and demoralised to no longer boast, but ask that he only be considered as a servant and not a son. The eldest son at this point is the one who is the one matured in faith, because he was always with the father, meaning he continued in the faith in Christ once delivered onto the saints (Jews). So this eldest brother in faith becomes someone jealous of his youngest rebellious brother, because the Father (God) is taking him back and is throwing a party for him by the slaughter of the fatted calf, which symbolises of the red heffer, which points to the sons of Jacob coming back to faith in droves after they realise that messiah has already come and that he is Jesus.

    So Jesus also points to another parable of the workmen, from the 1st, 3rd, 6th, 9th and 11th. The 11th hour workmen come along towards the end of the new covenant age where they have only one hour to labour before the bride groom comes at 12:00 o'clock. So the 3rd, 6th and the 9th hour workmen become jealous when they get the same amount of treatment as the the last hour workmen. Couple this with the eldest in faith jealous brother in the prodigal son parable and what you have is the scenario that the youngest brother was deemed to have left the faith of the fathers (old covenant) from when the eldest son who is symbolised by the 3rd, 6th and 9th hour workmen stayed with the faith and laboured in the heat of the day by spreading the gospel, all the way to the final hour before 12 o'clock, where the bride groom was soon to come.

    So this eldest brother who took the faith from the beginning when messiah came is the symbol of the gentile nations who ultimately carried it whilst the youngest son was disbanded until the fullness of these Gentiles comes where all the gentile world has been invited to come and what is left is the youngest son (Jacobs seed) to also come to the wedding supper of the lamb.

    The youngest son's disbanding of the Abrahmic faith from the 1st century's ejection of messiah is also indicated in scripture as follows

    Notice on the versus above the fattened cow is mentioned where the Father slaughters in celebrating his youngest son return and it is linked in context to the invitation to the wedding supper of the lamb which is an evangelistic calling as the 11th hour workmen, only if those who accept it can be clothed in time and to be made ready (oil in their lamps) for the bridegroom return, when he comes at 12 o'clock.

    Notice also the context of the above verse Tell those who have been invited that I have prepared my dinner is pointing squarely at the Jews (sons of Jacob). Yet they ignored the evangelistic calling and went about in the far country to waste their inheritance in the pig pen of the world. Then you see the Pharisees rebel against God to persecute the 1st century Jewish apostolic church and the result was the burning down of their city (Jerusalem) by the Romans in 70AD.

    Jesus hints at the youngest son returning to the Abrahamic fathers faith when he states that the first (Jacobs seed) to hear about the gospel in the 1st century will become the last to embrace it and preach it for the last and final rally to preach it before 12 o'clock. What needs to happen is for Jacobs seed to say blessed is the Christ who came in the name of the Lord. This rally call will be paralleled to the rally that Gideon made with the Israelites when he said I want you to make a decision today. Will you accept the God of Israel, it so, then give me an answer today by saying yes.

    The instrument that Jesus also hinted at is symbolised as God's handy work, the Assyrians (Men of Nineveh) will also be used by God to re-establish the highway and to post the invitation and to also rally behind Jacobs seed like the Gideon's of the world. Jesus would hint at this by saying the Men of Nineveh will come to chasten this generation because they believed in Jonah and yet there is one greater than Jonah standing and they believed not. So the Assyrians again will be like the symbol of the Jonah's of the world.

    In conclusion the sons of Jacob will come and it is only a matter of time. The instrument of God's handy work, the Assyrians will be used to bring about this last hour rally. Then the gentile world (symbol of the eldest brother), seeing this will all come also in unity as one body and under one shepherd Jesus Christ, before the devil steps in to spoil the party and commit world wide Calvary in an unprecedented scale that pales the 1st century persecution of the Jewish apostolic church.

    The ministry of the Power and Spirit of Elijah (God) will be from the church for the East where East is the symbol of the Sun/Son of righteousness who will speak through the mouth of one to bring back this youngest son back to his loving arms.
     
  7. Nige55

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    Have patience ChristosAnesti :)
     
  8. Nige55

    Nige55 Newbie

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    Of course, after all, Brooklyn was mentioned several hundered times throughout the Bible.
     
  9. thecolorsblend

    thecolorsblend If God is your Father, who is your Mother? Supporter

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    Christian Zionism = A modern heresy?

    Yes it is, a manifestly destructive one. Others have posted what rabbis and other jews think about goy... I mean, gentiles. So there's no need for me to do so. Christian Zionism ought to be a contradiction in terms... and would be such in a fair and sane world. Luckily it looks like the younger generation is waking up to reality so the future looks bright.

    Boycott, divest, sanction.
     
  10. RhaegarTargaryen

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    Ahh...the BDS-crowd.
    The rules here doesn't allow proper categorization of those people, but all decent people know exactly who and what they are.
    As proved by their spreading of anti-semitic lies.
     
  11. thecolorsblend

    thecolorsblend If God is your Father, who is your Mother? Supporter

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    Call it whatever you want but I refuse to support a terrorist state. There's no political reason to do so. Certainly there's no religious reason to do so since the Church is Israel now.
     
  12. SeventyTimes7

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    New heaven and new earth and the New Jerusalem coming down on the new earth. Yes sure, men can do it LOL

    But if we talk about the first part of the eternal kingdom (the millennium), that will be made by Jesus the Messiah, by no one else, after Jesus will destroy the antichrist and his power.
     
  13. Mary7

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  14. random person

    random person 1 COR. 10:11; HEB. 1:2; HEB. 9:26,28; 1 PET. 1:20

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    the message is way too important it belongs in this thread!
     
  15. Nige55

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    Heard it all before, nothing new there. It's just running around and around the same old discussion.
     
  16. rakovsky

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    If you follow Paul, then in some sense the nonChristians were cast off, because Paul describes them as branches broken off from the real tree. (Rom 9-11)

    What should be the basis for the return? In the Bible, the plan is that the people turn to God and then God rewards them by restoring them to their land. Did the nonChristians turn to God in 1946-48 in a way that they had not before that made God restore them to the land?

    If not, it sounds very strange to imagine 1946-48 to be fulfillment of some kind of a Torah contract.

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    He doesn't get it either.
     
  17. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git! Supporter

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    I agree.

    From what I know, it is mainly dispensationalists zionists that believe 1948 was a fulfillment of any Bible prophecy. Preterism [either partial or full] and Amils [RCC and possibly the EOC] reject that futureistic nonsense, as well they should.

    http://www.christianforums.com/threads/the-destructive-preterist-view.7840781/

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  18. rakovsky

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    Lamb,

    I see these options in my profile:

    • Historic
    • Preterist
    • Futurist
    • Amillennialism
    • Premillennialism
    • Postmillennialism
    • Pretribulation
    • Midtribulation
    • Posttribulation
    Choose options that best describes your beliefs regarding endtimes.

    And I just want to pick "Normal".
     
  19. dennis777

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    google JOHN MCTERNAN'S book........."AS AMERICA HAS DONE TO ISRAEL".........

    Each time the USA hurt Israel nation, a great catastrophe occured in the usa........when we hurt Israel, Jesus strikes us........we reap what we sow.........Christ is working on converting Israel (Jews) to Christ in the endtimes and the Trib........it will take the Trib to turn their hearts to Jesus...........when Israel calls on Jesus by Name, then Christ will Return, at the end of the 7 year trib (Daniel's 70th week)........the 1948 re-birth of Israel nation is part of the process........the OT says that the Jews will return to the LAND in un-belief, and will be converted in the Trib.

    Christ has a special love for the Jews "for the sake of the Fathers (Abe, Issac, Jacob).
     
  20. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git! Supporter

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    Nah, the Bronx is much more important and holier than Israel [or at least not much better..IMHO

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